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[FERMi27]

We could see a GOTY release of ME3 on Steam, since GOTY by definition excludes any futher possible upcoming DLC for said game. It is not against Steam TOS to sell GOTY versions of ME3, DA2, BF3, Crysis 2 etc. because DLCs are included with the game itself and thus actually sold through Steam store(though I'm not sure how Crysis 2 violated any TOS at all since it has no DLCs planned).

Modifié par FERMi27, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:24 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

Kharkov wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

To make sure this stays on track.

The question still remains unanswered.

Will Origin be required to play ME3?

Thank you.

38 pages and not a single comment from Bio or EA.

1 person has hinted that the thread should locked due to Facebook being mentioned in relation to privacy.

Soo, take a wild guess, because your guess is as good as anyone elses.

My guess, no one wants to talk about this, well, apart from us, lol

Jump on over to Twitter, ask them on there, they wont answer you, but hey, the silence might provide some comic effect.

 

I don't do Twitter. I don't do facebook.  It's an extremly rare occasion that I do IM.

I also don't jump through hoops trying to get an answer from
social sites when an official board exist.

This one. This is the official EA/Bioware board and we should expect an answer
or at least a response here when someone at Bioware has an answer or decides to
say something.

I don't know if Bioware themselves can make a decision on this or if Corp will
be the final arbiter of whether Origin will be required for all published games
or not.

Think about this though will you? How many times has the asinine rhetoric been
posted that says, "Bioware sold their souls to da ebil EA!"



If they responded with a "We don't have that information yet." (Or
something similar) All heck would break loose wouldn't it? Even people who could
not care less about Origin would jump on the bandwagon and start freaking out
on them.

 

Of course, that is all supposition on my part but I think I'm pretty close to
the truth.

Making video games is a business. I think that you would
have to really love the process to get into to doing it in the first place but
at the end of the day it is still a business. I understand why Bioware went
under the EA umbrella.

 I understand that. I respect that. But I still want to know.

 Will Origin be required to play Mass Effect 3?

 
If so I would understand that to make it so would be a business decision and I’m sure they
could understand why I and others would no longer purchase their PC games

And why I and a few others wouldn’t buy their consol games new just out of principle.

 

I will not support this kind of business practice.

 Once again, this is the official and proper place to ask the question and this is the place we
Bioware fans should expect an answer. That answer may not come as soon as we
would like it to but it I think will come in one form or another either in this
thread or another. 

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 16 septembre 2011 - 12:54 .

[Weskerr]

Is this the official EA board? I always thought it was just the official Bioware board.

[SalsaDMA]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

If they responded with a "We don't have that information yet." (Or
something similar) All heck would break loose wouldn't it? Even people who could
not care less about Origin would jump on the bandwagon and start freaking out
on them.

Actually that is the current response from Bioware: They don't know.

I can't remember the link to the post, but it's there.. somewhere...

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 16 septembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

I'd like to see that link if it exist.

[JayTheWolf]

Holy ****. I just uninstalled Origin.
Good God... it's been on my computer for months. I'll be damned if I'll be having EA being douchebags about everything because they're worried about losing their money.

[Kharkov]

CSunkyst wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...
I don't own ANY games for PC unless I'm able to find a crack for it first. I unhook my internet, install, crack, then see if the game runs without an internet connection, and THEN I'm good to go.

Can I ask why you go through all that trouble?

Because I like to have actual control over the things I pay for.  When I buy a book I should be able to read it where and when I want without needing Del Rey's permission to open MY book.  I find the fact that I need EA's blessing to use a game I already bought as if I were some kind of child in need of permission more than a little insulting.   

Someone here can tell me whatever they want about EULAs or some BS digital copyright act or some other such  nonsense saying that we technically DON'T own the games we buy, to which my response is BS, I morally disagree with any such notions, and as a gamer why wouldn't you as well?  How could anyone support having their rights to control the things they own stripped away from them?  That's like losing the right to vote and cheering on the government for their wise decision.  Years ago if you bought a game, it was your game.  You could do what you wanted with it.  You even *GASP* had the right to sell that game used to another human being.  Things are getting worse, they're moving BACKWARDS and fast.

As I said, I'll replay games I love many years after the fact, I'm planning on giving Thief The Dark Project another run through sometime soon (that game's nearly 15 years old now), I frequently fire up Punchout, I'm sure there are people out there who still like to run through Half Life occasionally.  With the kind of DRM schemes you get with services like Origin and Steam where occasionally even single player games need to check in with their servers periodically, there's a very real (and to me, scary) possibility that you WON'T be able to play a game you buy now 10 years down the road.  When a service is despised as much as Origin apparently is (even before it really gets off the ground) you probably won't even be able to get 5 years out of a game before EA decides to shut Origin down due to lack of profits essentially locking you out of being able to use a product you paid for and "own"  

I LOVE Mass Effect, I almost certainly will want to play through the games again sometime far down the road, thanks to Origin without a good crack I very likely won't be able to.

The sad fact is, the ONLY people this draconian DRM (and apparently also spyware in the case of Origin) hurts are the paying customers.  The pirates have proven time and time again they're able to get their hands on the games, only they're versions of the games with all of the harmful DRM nonsense stripped out of them.     

That's why I go through all of that "trouble"

 Well said, this is exactly my standpoint.

 I am sick and tired of being told that I do not own the software that I have purchased, this viewpoint is comming from industry shills who are seeking to strengthen the posistion of software companies with regards to gradually bstripping away consumer rights, for the purpose of making increased profits, and all done under the banner of software piracy.

 It's also being done under the banner of second hand sales, more and more software companies are starting to complain that second hand sales of games are hurting their profits, some are even trying to claim that second hand sales will put them out of business.

 Think about that for a moment, and then imagine lets say the car industry complaining that the second hand market was hurting their business, killing their sales and shutting them down, its a complete ROFL.

 Imagine walking into your local corner shop and buying a loaf of bread, then being informed that the company that produced that loaf of bread still retain ownership beyond point of purchase, and are demanding that you undertake a consumer survey before you can eat it, lol (yeah, I am just having fun now,lol)

 But we suck it up dont we, we believe the bull**** and the hype, we allow our rights to be eroded further and further.

 We feel sorry for them, while they bleet about profit and loss, they play us with fear, treating us like children, children that are scared that the adults will stop providing the little treats unless we do as they say.

 How many times have you read some bull**** industry shill article in a PC mag about the sorry state of the games industry, and how we must all embrace the new changes if we expect our little treats to continue, lol, of course what they dont tell you is those changes invole giving up your rights and installing spyware, lol

 Truth be told, this battle was lost long ago,

 It was lost when we allowed software companies to force through the requirement of an active internet connection to allow us (consumers) to use software (products) that we had purchased.

 That was the start of the slippery slope.

 waffle over, sorry.

 (I am just ranting to keep the page count going, lol)

 

 

Modifié par Kharkov, 16 septembre 2011 - 03:53 .

[N0-Future]

Well said mate

[Weskerr]

Inge Shepard wrote...

I'm afraid you're right. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't give a game developer company the same right as a software company like Microsoft as an example. Checking that you have a legal license. I don't need this S**** installed on my PC, I don't need this S**** to do anything on my PC. Yes, you're right. But Origin will I not install. Ask you self do you really need ME3?

@ And I yes wanted to keep this thread open. But this it getting borring. No respons at all. Why keep this going, just waste of time.

It's not a waste of time. Rest assured that at least some Bioware employees have seen this thread. If you give up, the thread will die and the message lost.

Modifié par Weskerr, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:34 .

[Computer_God91]

CSunkyst wrote...

Because I like to have actual control over the things I pay for.  When I buy a book I should be able to read it where and when I want without needing Del Rey's permission to open MY book.  I find the fact that I need EA's blessing to use a game I already bought as if I were some kind of child in need of permission more than a little insulting.   

Someone here can tell me whatever they want about EULAs or some BS digital copyright act or some other such  nonsense saying that we technically DON'T own the games we buy, to which my response is BS, I morally disagree with any such notions, and as a gamer why wouldn't you as well?  How could anyone support having their rights to control the things they own stripped away from them?  That's like losing the right to vote and cheering on the government for their wise decision.  Years ago if you bought a game, it was your game.  You could do what you wanted with it.  You even *GASP* had the right to sell that game used to another human being.  Things are getting worse, they're moving BACKWARDS and fast.

As I said, I'll replay games I love many years after the fact, I'm planning on giving Thief The Dark Project another run through sometime soon (that game's nearly 15 years old now), I frequently fire up Punchout, I'm sure there are people out there who still like to run through Half Life occasionally.  With the kind of DRM schemes you get with services like Origin and Steam where occasionally even single player games need to check in with their servers periodically, there's a very real (and to me, scary) possibility that you WON'T be able to play a game you buy now 10 years down the road.  When a service is despised as much as Origin apparently is (even before it really gets off the ground) you probably won't even be able to get 5 years out of a game before EA decides to shut Origin down due to lack of profits essentially locking you out of being able to use a product you paid for and "own"  

I LOVE Mass Effect, I almost certainly will want to play through the games again sometime far down the road, thanks to Origin without a good crack I very likely won't be able to.

The sad fact is, the ONLY people this draconian DRM (and apparently also spyware in the case of Origin) hurts are the paying customers.  The pirates have proven time and time again they're able to get their hands on the games, only they're versions of the games with all of the harmful DRM nonsense stripped out of them.     

That's why I go through all of that "trouble"

I'd probably do that for the reasons you said, if I had the knowledge about cracking required.

[Computer_God91]

Weskerr wrote...

It's not a waste of time. Rest assured that at least some Bioware employees have seen this thread. If you give up, the thread will die and the message lost.

Hence why I'm still in this thread. Plus if you look up someone just found this thread and uninstalled Origin. The message is getting around.

[Kharkov]

Weskerr wrote...

Inge Shepard wrote...

I'm afraid you're right. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't give a game developer company the same right as a software company like Microsoft as an example. Checking that you have a legal license. I don't need this S**** installed on my PC, I don't need this S**** to do anything on my PC. Yes, you're right. But Origin will I not install. Ask you self do you really need ME3?

@ And I yes wanted to keep this thread open. But this it getting borring. No respons at all. Why keep this going, just waste of time.

It's not a waste of time. Rest assured that at least some Bioware employees have seen this thread. If you give up, the thread will die and the message lost.

 Indeed, it's not a waste of time, nothing related to your rights is a waste of time.

 It is a simply a matter of understanding how far down that slippery slope you are.

 Forced internet connection to use software that you have purchased was simply the crowbar that prised open the door, it was breaking and entering plain and simple.

 And now the thieves are standing in your kitchen, fumbling around in the dark, talking in hushed vioces, quietly contemplating all the loot that they plan to steal while you sleep.

 They are afraid to talk openly for fear of waking you from your slumber, the prospect of the rightful occupents charging down the stairs and demanding an explanation for what exactly they are doing standing in the kitchen with flashlights and swag bags scares them half to death.

 And that explains how far down the slippery slope you are, the thieves are in your kitchen, you simply need to wake from your slumber, confront them, and then force them back out the door from which they entered.

 Sound over dramatic ?

 Well, as Zaeed would say - "I s**t you not"

 

[anzolino]

Weskerr wrote...
Is this the official EA board? I always thought it was just the official Bioware board.

We think so because you will rerouted to BW if you visit the EA Mass Effect forum.

Nope, doesn't sound over dramatic, Kharkov. You're right like Computer_God91 and like Nathander!

Inge, don't give up! Look, we got JayTheWolf. One more scared fan and the number of them increases. It's never ever a waste of time to declare your right and fight for your privacy. Your giving up is what EA want! It's a simply strategy to demoralise or discourage you. And in the meantime they counting the Origin installations in some suspicious numbers and telling us the half "nation" of the gamers is registered on their services. Yeah, of course, I believe this blindly!

[SalsaDMA]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

I'd like to see that link if it exist.

Actually I think it was in this forum, prob even this thread, although I can't be arsed going through all the posts to check up on it.

I seem to recall that someone had asked one of the devs vie another system and relayed the answer back here, and that answer was that they didn't know yet but would inform us when they knew.

[JGDD]

edit: ninja'd above

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 16 septembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[Hitchno]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

In Canada it is, and where it isn't, it has it's own clause.  I'm surprised that they haven't clued into this yet.  "Shrink wrap" agreements are not legal here.  And where you do use them, and try to do this type of stuff, you must be clear, explicit, and have their own confmation boxes clearly stating the exact information on what's being collected otherwise it's a breech of federal law, and the federal privacy act.

[Computer_God91]

Hitchno wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

In Canada it is, and where it isn't, it has it's own clause.  I'm surprised that they haven't clued into this yet.  "Shrink wrap" agreements are not legal here.  And where you do use them, and try to do this type of stuff, you must be clear, explicit, and have their own confmation boxes clearly stating the exact information on what's being collected otherwise it's a breech of federal law, and the federal privacy act.

What exactly is a "shrink wrap" Agreement?

[DarthSliver]

 I am going to quote something from Gameinformers here.

Gamers are brandishing pitchforks over Electronic Arts' Origin download service. Whether it's making games like Crysis 2 unavailable on Valve's Steam service, Star Wars: The Old Republic's exclusive Origin limited edition, or requiring Battlefield 3 players to install the client on their PCs(even if they bought the game at retail), people arent happy.
                Ironically many of the pratices are not exclusive to Origin - Valve also has a Steam requirement for its retail games - but people never pass up a chance to hate EA.

^^ I dont know if I am legally allow to quote something out of  Gameinformer I got in the mail. But this seems to be related to the issue and just thought id share for anyone who doesnt get Gameinformer.

[Computer_God91]

DarthSliver wrote...

 I am going to quote something from Gameinformers here.

Gamers are brandishing pitchforks over Electronic Arts' Origin download service. Whether it's making games like Crysis 2 unavailable on Valve's Steam service, Star Wars: The Old Republic's exclusive Origin limited edition, or requiring Battlefield 3 players to install the client on their PCs(even if they bought the game at retail), people arent happy.
                Ironically many of the pratices are not exclusive to Origin - Valve also has a Steam requirement for its retail games - but people never pass up a chance to hate EA.

^^ I dont know if I am legally allow to quote something out of  Gameinformer I got in the mail. But this seems to be related to the issue and just thought id share for anyone who doesnt get Gameinformer.

Well at least it's in Game Informer. I don't have a problem with steam because (to my knowledge) it's not a program that is mining my computer for information and it won't delete my games that I bought.

[didymos1120]

DarthSliver wrote...

^^ I dont know if I am legally allow to quote something out of  Gameinformer I got in the mail. But this seems to be related to the issue and just thought id share for anyone who doesnt get Gameinformer.

It's fair use, so yes.

[anzolino]

The term "shrink wrap agreement" refers to the purchase agreements that are attached to shipped products, usually bound by shrink wrap (plastic wrapping) that contain terms and conditions...

The controversy around shrink wrap agreements is the fact that the terms of the agreement cannot be read until the consumer has paid and accepted the package, and has opened the product by taking off the shrink wrap, which then states that opening will constitute acceptance of the terms.

Reference

[Ympulse]

The simple solution is to not buy the game.

The easiest solution is to pirate it.

The correct solution is to find the major stockholders in EA and threaten their families if they don't force EA to killswitch Origin.