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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

vader da slayer wrote...

from what I've read about the Origin EULA it does two things regarding information:

1) gathers non personal system information to send back to EA. this is stuff like proccessor speed and software (Drivers) versions amongst other things. this doesn't let them look through your porn folder.

2) gathers and sends non identifying personal info (which would be things like when they ask you what types of games you like and other prefferences) to related third parties (such as owned subsidiaries) to improve their marketing (which would include email but that you can opt out of in your account settings)

neither of these sends your social secuirty (if you are a USA resident) out for someone to steal your identity or something nefarious like that.

also Origin for ME3 will likely be used to do only a couple things and wont be required after that.

1) check the version of the game to see if its patched up to date. this would be done even if you pirate as a pirated copy will still contain this. (pirates just break a CD Key they can't change the source code).

2) check the DLC versions, does for DLC what 1) does for the game.

3) DL's and installs the DLC you've bought.

so if you know you are up to date on your stuff and you don't feel like playing online I highly doubt there's a problem with it (you could play offline in both DA and ME2)

Exactly but I guess as has been proven countless times on these forums, some people truly are too thick to comprehend anything such as this and love to make mountains out of molehills or turning rumours into alleged facts.

[Boiny Bunny]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote..

@Fearnor_II: I doubt Bioware will announce Origin is compulsory for PC players until the last minute - it will minimise the number of cancelled pre-orders that way.

It is looking likely that even retail copies purchased in stores will do nothing but install the game, and still require Origin to play it.

I wouldn't be so sure about how this would minimize that effect, now that this is getting a lot of attention on gaming sites and will surely explode outwards from those venues.. The internet buzzing with this news is already causing a stir. Remember the apologies and backtracking Bioware/EA had to do when banning accounts here for forum violation that caused players to not be able to access their DLC, though they paid for it. That was swiftly remedied when that got out on the WWW en masse.

If they don't re-word the EULA and fix Origin accordingly, and this causes many to just avoid the PC versions of the games, it will certainly cause troubles for the execs at EA. Remember, EA makes more money on the PC versions because there's no licensing fees for having to make them for consoles, yet they sell for the same price now. Having said that, most of these games are going to sell exponentially more on consoles where this won't affect gamers. But BF3 is a PC developed game, so I don't know if EA wants to push what are potentially huge PC sales to falter.

I hope you're right...

[Nathander Von Eric]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Exactly but I guess as has been proven countless times on these forums, some people truly are too thick to comprehend anything such as this and love to make mountains out of molehills or turning rumours into alleged facts.

You see people making mountains out of molehills and I see people willingly installing what is akin to a trojan onto their PC's when using Origin.

Hey! Perspective is funny that way eh?

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 25 août 2011 - 12:47 .

[sbvera13]

As I've said in other threads, if ME3 requires Origin to run (even on hard copy) I will not buy it. End of story. I do not support exclusivity and brand bashing. There are several established, non-intrusive DRM services available. If I can't use the one I want, I won't be using your software.

[United_Strafes]

This is fine with me, I'm a sheep, and no one else should be complaining either. This is not an attempt to shove Origin down our throats obviously the games need it to function, like BF3. The Old Republic will be exclusive to Origin so we can bet it'll need Origin to run.

We should all look foreward to DL and running our new Activision, 2K, Ubisoft, Atari, Bethesda, and all the other publisher owned clients in the future!

[Malanek]

What information exactly does Origin gather? This sounds absolutely outrageous but I suspect some people are not giving accurate and unbiased information about this.

[Boiny Bunny]

Malanek999 wrote...

What information exactly does Origin gather? This sounds absolutely outrageous but I suspect some people are not giving accurate and unbiased information about this.

The EULA is here if you want to see for yourself:

Origin EULA

[Feanor_II]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

from what I've read about the Origin EULA it does two things regarding information:

1) gathers non personal system information to send back to EA. this is stuff like proccessor speed and software (Drivers) versions amongst other things. this doesn't let them look through your porn folder.

2) gathers and sends non identifying personal info (which would be things like when they ask you what types of games you like and other prefferences) to related third parties (such as owned subsidiaries) to improve their marketing (which would include email but that you can opt out of in your account settings)

neither of these sends your social secuirty (if you are a USA resident) out for someone to steal your identity or something nefarious like that.

also Origin for ME3 will likely be used to do only a couple things and wont be required after that.

1) check the version of the game to see if its patched up to date. this would be done even if you pirate as a pirated copy will still contain this. (pirates just break a CD Key they can't change the source code).

2) check the DLC versions, does for DLC what 1) does for the game.

3) DL's and installs the DLC you've bought.

so if you know you are up to date on your stuff and you don't feel like playing online I highly doubt there's a problem with it (you could play offline in both DA and ME2)

Exactly but I guess as has been proven countless times on these forums, some people truly are too thick to comprehend anything such as this and love to make mountains out of molehills or turning rumours into alleged facts.

Look I don't care that they "only" gather information about the games I play, it's my computer and they shouldn't have the right (hell, I would say that they DON'T have the right in many countires) to check what they are playing or whatever.

Look if I buy a DVD Warner or Fox or Paramount.... can't get into my house whenever they want to look what other films I have. And don't came to me with "Hey man, it's only to check your DVD colection and your TV, we are not going to look into your rooms nor your wardrobes" because it's not right.

I think we should be more aware and critical with this intrusive practices

Modifié par Feanor_II, 25 août 2011 - 01:10 .

[MarchWaltz]

Heh, you can still launch it through steam, but when you do that it will launch origin and finally launch.

'yo dawg....'

[Feanor_II]

DELETE

Modifié par Feanor_II, 25 août 2011 - 01:09 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Malanek999 wrote...

What information exactly does Origin gather? This sounds absolutely outrageous but I suspect some people are not giving accurate and unbiased information about this.

The way it's worded is so open, it could mean anything. Read this. It puts it better than I could, and isn't plain legalise like the EULA alone.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 25 août 2011 - 01:10 .

[armass]

so Big brother is watching me, if i play ME3?

[RogueAssassinX]

Add me to the list of people who will not buy ME3 (or BF3, or any other EA game ever again) if it requires Origin to operate. I will not purchase it for my PC, nor will I purchase it for my XBox 360 or PS3.

There are a few options:

1) EA removes the necessity of Origin from its PC products,
2) EA removes the offending language and tracking software from Origin IN ITS ENTIRETY,
3) EA installs the ability to COMPLETELY and RELIABLY opt out from ALL data collection and reporting.

This is not just a request, this is a requirement. If something isn't done, I see the potential for tons of lost sales, tons of piracy, and the potential for privacy lawsuits against them.

[heyimacrab]

i wont be buying any more EA games
but i will continue to pirate them for as long as its possible

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Ultai wrote...

While the EULA is cause for concern, I came across this post.

Opting out

But who knows what other things they'll do.

From the EULA:

IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION

Doesn't sound like opting out to me.

Aside from this, I don't like this software having control over whether o not I can play a game I've purchased.

Case in point. I bought Civ 5. I can't start it right now because Steam won't initiate it. If it was a plain install, like every other game I own, I wouldn't have this problem.

[heyimacrab]

RogueAssassinX wrote...

Add me to the list of people who will not buy ME3 (or BF3, or any other EA game ever again) if it requires Origin to operate. I will not purchase it for my PC, nor will I purchase it for my XBox 360 or PS3.

There are a few options:

1) EA removes the necessity of Origin from its PC products,
2) EA removes the offending language and tracking software from Origin IN ITS ENTIRETY,
3) EA installs the ability to COMPLETELY and RELIABLY opt out from ALL data collection and reporting.

This is not just a request, this is a requirement. If something isn't done, I see the potential for tons of lost sales, tons of piracy, and the potential for privacy lawsuits against them.

why not on the 360 ?
is there an origin requirement on th 360 too?

[Dionkey]

heyimacrab wrote...

i wont be buying any more EA games
but i will continue to pirate them for as long as its possible

I don't mind pirating in this case, but prepare for some heat from a lot of people. I'll still be buying it, but I'll proabably be pirating it after the fact to avoid Origin.

[Malanek]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

What information exactly does Origin gather? This sounds absolutely outrageous but I suspect some people are not giving accurate and unbiased information about this.

The way it's worded is so open, it could mean anything. Read this. It puts it better than I could, and isn't plain legalise like the EULA alone.

The problem is this is just a EULA to cover their ar$e so they don't get sued. What I was asking is what information the service actually takes. What directories it will poke it's nose into. Although no lawyer I believe the RPS article is wrong, the EULA states

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically...

That doesn't give them free reign. It doesn't give them the right to examine documents for instance. Furthermore if they did do this and breach the spirit of their licencing agreement, their reputation would really be shot.

However I would still suggest to them that this could be clarified. It has stirred up a lot angst and if the software was not going to be as intrusive as some people believe, it wouldn't hurt for EA to legally clarify this.

[slimgrin]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If ME3 on the PC requires Origin, I will not be buying or playing ME3. End of story.

I'll play it, and when I'm done, I'll uninstall all things EA. ME3 is the last game that Bioware is putting out that even interests me. 

[Malanek]

heyimacrab wrote...

RogueAssassinX wrote...

Add me to the list of people who will not buy ME3 (or BF3, or any other EA game ever again) if it requires Origin to operate. I will not purchase it for my PC, nor will I purchase it for my XBox 360 or PS3.

There are a few options:

1) EA removes the necessity of Origin from its PC products,
2) EA removes the offending language and tracking software from Origin IN ITS ENTIRETY,
3) EA installs the ability to COMPLETELY and RELIABLY opt out from ALL data collection and reporting.

This is not just a request, this is a requirement. If something isn't done, I see the potential for tons of lost sales, tons of piracy, and the potential for privacy lawsuits against them.

why not on the 360 ?
is there an origin requirement on th 360 too?

There is but you are not really storing the same amount of sensitive information on your XBOX.

[heyimacrab]

Malanek999 wrote...

heyimacrab wrote...

RogueAssassinX wrote...

Add me to the list of people who will not buy ME3 (or BF3, or any other EA game ever again) if it requires Origin to operate. I will not purchase it for my PC, nor will I purchase it for my XBox 360 or PS3.

There are a few options:

1) EA removes the necessity of Origin from its PC products,
2) EA removes the offending language and tracking software from Origin IN ITS ENTIRETY,
3) EA installs the ability to COMPLETELY and RELIABLY opt out from ALL data collection and reporting.

This is not just a request, this is a requirement. If something isn't done, I see the potential for tons of lost sales, tons of piracy, and the potential for privacy lawsuits against them.

why not on the 360 ?
is there an origin requirement on th 360 too?

There is but you are not really storing the same amount of sensitive information on your XBOX.

yeah but lets just hope they cant somehow use my ip address from the xbox connection to connect to the information on my pc.

[heyimacrab]

Dionkey wrote...

heyimacrab wrote...

i wont be buying any more EA games
but i will continue to pirate them for as long as its possible

I don't mind pirating in this case, but prepare for some heat from a lot of people. I'll still be buying it, but I'll proabably be pirating it after the fact to avoid Origin.

ill be pirating just to spite and boycott EA

[MJRick]

People are afraid Origin is going to see their porn.

[Malanek]

heyimacrab wrote...
yeah but lets just hope they cant somehow use my ip address from the xbox connection to connect to the information on my pc.

No, you are worried about nothing. If you haven't installed the software on your PC, it can't gather any information.

[J-Sheridan]

Chaos-fusion wrote...
The way it's worded is so open, it could mean anything. Read this. It puts it better than I could, and isn't plain legalise like the EULA alone.

For those that cannot be bothered to click on a link... or want to argue from a position of ignorance.

...
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and
related information that identifies your computer (including the
Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage
(including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal),
software, software usage and peripheral hardware,
...

Awesome... it collects your information including your address and programs you have installed AND removed ?
All of this is being collected so EA can use it for:

EA may also use this information combined with personal information for
marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also
share that data with our third party service providers in a form that
does not personally identify you.

Thats lovely, EA will take information that includes your address and an entire history of everything you have had on your system... then hand that information over to whoever pays them enough so they can spam you with mail.

Yeah... I can totally not see someone hacking or shady EA employee messing up this wonderful idea.

Oh... but surely you can opt out of this, right ?

IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE
DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE
APPLICATION.

If this application is mandatory inorder to play EA games then its pretty obvious the only way to opt out is to not buy the game.

I refuse to allow ANYONE to rake through my computer and I sure as hell will not allow a company who will sell information gained about me to the highest bidder.
Oh look... player XYZ looked up 'love scene' in a search engine three years ago...
We will sell that to a random porn site so they can spam porn links because thats what the player likes obviously

How about... no ?