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[anzolino]

So long, Inge, take care )

@quaigee: I didn't want to be rude, sorry.
It seems that most of the people didn't read the thread but the last posts and then they ask the same question every third page. This is just annoying.

[pmac_tk421]

There is a button to uninstall origin. Just go to all programs, find origin and hit uninstall.

[Michel1986]

Kharkov wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...
I don't own ANY games for PC unless I'm able to find a crack for it first. I unhook my internet, install, crack, then see if the game runs without an internet connection, and THEN I'm good to go.

Can I ask why you go through all that trouble?

Because I like to have actual control over the things I pay for.  When I buy a book I should be able to read it where and when I want without needing Del Rey's permission to open MY book.  I find the fact that I need EA's blessing to use a game I already bought as if I were some kind of child in need of permission more than a little insulting.   

Someone here can tell me whatever they want about EULAs or some BS digital copyright act or some other such  nonsense saying that we technically DON'T own the games we buy, to which my response is BS, I morally disagree with any such notions, and as a gamer why wouldn't you as well?  How could anyone support having their rights to control the things they own stripped away from them?  That's like losing the right to vote and cheering on the government for their wise decision.  Years ago if you bought a game, it was your game.  You could do what you wanted with it.  You even *GASP* had the right to sell that game used to another human being.  Things are getting worse, they're moving BACKWARDS and fast.

As I said, I'll replay games I love many years after the fact, I'm planning on giving Thief The Dark Project another run through sometime soon (that game's nearly 15 years old now), I frequently fire up Punchout, I'm sure there are people out there who still like to run through Half Life occasionally.  With the kind of DRM schemes you get with services like Origin and Steam where occasionally even single player games need to check in with their servers periodically, there's a very real (and to me, scary) possibility that you WON'T be able to play a game you buy now 10 years down the road.  When a service is despised as much as Origin apparently is (even before it really gets off the ground) you probably won't even be able to get 5 years out of a game before EA decides to shut Origin down due to lack of profits essentially locking you out of being able to use a product you paid for and "own"  

I LOVE Mass Effect, I almost certainly will want to play through the games again sometime far down the road, thanks to Origin without a good crack I very likely won't be able to.

The sad fact is, the ONLY people this draconian DRM (and apparently also spyware in the case of Origin) hurts are the paying customers.  The pirates have proven time and time again they're able to get their hands on the games, only they're versions of the games with all of the harmful DRM nonsense stripped out of them.     

That's why I go through all of that "trouble"

 Well said, this is exactly my standpoint.

 I am sick and tired of being told that I do not own the software that I have purchased, this viewpoint is comming from industry shills who are seeking to strengthen the posistion of software companies with regards to gradually bstripping away consumer rights, for the purpose of making increased profits, and all done under the banner of software piracy.

 It's also being done under the banner of second hand sales, more and more software companies are starting to complain that second hand sales of games are hurting their profits, some are even trying to claim that second hand sales will put them out of business.

 Think about that for a moment, and then imagine lets say the car industry complaining that the second hand market was hurting their business, killing their sales and shutting them down, its a complete ROFL.

 Imagine walking into your local corner shop and buying a loaf of bread, then being informed that the company that produced that loaf of bread still retain ownership beyond point of purchase, and are demanding that you undertake a consumer survey before you can eat it, lol (yeah, I am just having fun now,lol)

 But we suck it up dont we, we believe the bull**** and the hype, we allow our rights to be eroded further and further.

 We feel sorry for them, while they bleet about profit and loss, they play us with fear, treating us like children, children that are scared that the adults will stop providing the little treats unless we do as they say.

 How many times have you read some bull**** industry shill article in a PC mag about the sorry state of the games industry, and how we must all embrace the new changes if we expect our little treats to continue, lol, of course what they dont tell you is those changes invole giving up your rights and installing spyware, lol

 Truth be told, this battle was lost long ago,

 It was lost when we allowed software companies to force through the requirement of an active internet connection to allow us (consumers) to use software (products) that we had purchased.

 That was the start of the slippery slope.

 waffle over, sorry.

 (I am just ranting to keep the page count going, lol)

 

 

The answer is pretty clear now, either don't buy the EA games or start pirating it when this **** gets taken out.

It seems EA encourage piracy now

[NaastyNZL]

I believe we won't get an answer from Bioware or EA till shortly after Battlefield 3 has been released. Think about it. It'll give EA some time to evaluate whenever or not to make all EA games require Origin, including Mass Effect 3.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

DRM is just another excuse to control the public in my opinion. Slowly but surely our freedom is being stripped!

[SalsaDMA]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

There is a button to uninstall origin. Just go to all programs, find origin and hit uninstall.

By then it would be too late cause you allowed it on your system already to start with

A much better solution is just not to install the program in the first place.

[JGDD]

Michel1986 wrote...

It seems EA encourage piracy now

Talk about falling right into their trap. EA doesn't encourage this at all. They are trying to keep their products somewhat secure from piracy and that's why they develop apps like Origin. When someone spouts nonsense about the need to pirate they have just given EA ammo for their fight to continue pursuing unsavory tactics that are now being scrutinized by consumers.

The smart thing for consumers to do is bring attention to this. A lot of attention. You can bet your ass that a bunch of other software companies are watching this like a hawk to see how far a corporation as large as EA can push the boundaries of personal privacy for their own ends. If this goes unchecked it sets a precedence for future producers of goods to continue eroding rights in favor of capitalistic gains.

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 18 septembre 2011 - 10:35 .

[Feanor_II]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

DRM is just another excuse to control the public in my opinion. Slowly but surely our freedom is being stripped!

DRM is just another excuse to try to get as much money as posible.

That's the true, bellow everything is an economical greed, not a conspiracy for a controlled society

[Rabenkopf]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Michel1986 wrote...

It seems EA encourage piracy now

Talk about falling right into their trap. EA doesn't encourage this at all. They are trying to keep their products somewhat secure from piracy and that's why they develop apps like Origin. When someone spouts nonsense about the need to pirate they have just given EA ammo for their fight to continue pursuing unsavory tactics that are now being scrutinized by consumers.

yeah but now you can ask: Have it done something against piracy? No. See SecuRom. See the Ubisoft version of origins which was developed for AC II. This isn´t stopping piracy. It supports the opinion that piracy is the only solution for gamers, if they don´t want to be spied out. Like Michel1986 said things like origns encourage piracy and they don´t help against it at all. I thought EA learned this lesson by the spore disaster. I hope there will be a better solution but when EA stays stubborn games like ME3 become aims for pirates like spore.

Modifié par Not_Zero, 18 septembre 2011 - 10:48 .

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Feanor_II wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

DRM is just another excuse to control the public in my opinion. Slowly but surely our freedom is being stripped!

DRM is just another excuse to try to get as much money as posible.

That's the true, bellow everything is an economical greed, not a conspiracy for a controlled society

I agree with greed aswell but I still think that its just another step to control society.

[Computer_God91]

 While we are talking about DRM I think I'll just leave this right here...

Modifié par Computer_God91, 19 septembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[CroGamer002]

^Win!

[Hallusinaatti]

I find it a bit egocentric to think that EA has any interest in what YOU do with your computer. As if they had thousands of office monkeys monitoring all those hundreds of thousands who will buy the PC version...
And even if they did they can't touch anyone outside their base country.

[SalsaDMA]

Computer_God91 wrote...

 While we are talking about DRM I think I'll just leave this right here...

Gotta love Cyanide & Happiness

[Kharkov]

Feanor_II wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

DRM is just another excuse to control the public in my opinion. Slowly but surely our freedom is being stripped!

DRM is just another excuse to try to get as much money as posible.

That's the true, bellow everything is an economical greed, not a conspiracy for a controlled society

 In a way your both right,

 Control, to exploit a consumer based society, you need to control that society, you need to be able to influence their actions and their thoughts, a good example is what your reading now, this forum, dont kid yourself that forums such as these are setup, run, and maintained for your benefit.

 But, (always a but), Control is something that has to be freely given, as has been pointed out many times in this thread, if you dont want Origin on your system, do not install it, if Me3 requires Origin, then do not buy Me3. 

 It really is as simple that, a simple consumer choice, the trick is to not let temptation cloud your better judgement, for that is the trick, that is the control that leads to exploitation, thankfully we still live in a world where the consumer still has choice, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to spend your income, not yet at least.

 And this explains why you will not get an answer in this thread, regarding this subject, for the temptation trick to work, they simply cannot give you time to think, because they know that the longer you have to think on the subject, the less likely your are to fall for the trick.

 It's fear basically, you as a consumer have the ability to scare the living crap out of them by simply saying No, has that cheered you up, it should do, all forms of intended exploitation will show signs of fear, remember that, and total silence in response to a simple question is a classic example.

 Greed ?, all econimic greed is based on exploitation, exploitation of an individual or a group, and therefore links back to control.

 Balance, well, if you maintain balance then everyone gets a piece of the pie, and everyones happy, but some people dont see it like that anymore, I consider them "lost", lost souls, they probably dont sleep well at night, even though they have very posh beds, lol

 Yep, just waffling again, to up the page count.

 

 

[SalsaDMA]

Hallusinaatti wrote...

I find it a bit egocentric to think that EA has any interest in what YOU do with your computer. As if they had thousands of office monkeys monitoring all those hundreds of thousands who will buy the PC version...
And even if they did they can't touch anyone outside their base country.

I find it a bit preposterous to think that installing spyware is done without the intention of using it.

Besides, I find it ludicrous that you can sit on a computer and still be ignorant of the existence of the concept of "software", you know, pieces of code that does work for you... It takes just one person to activate a script to go through every single account in search of key phrases/whatever.

And the word you were looking for were not "egocentric", but "arrogant", which, btw, you come off as when you with a handwave dismiss the protests of thousands of people like this.

[Bloodjunky213]

Blame Piracy....not EA.

[JGDD]

Not_Zero wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Michel1986 wrote...

It seems EA encourage piracy now

Talk about falling right into their trap. EA doesn't encourage this at all. They are trying to keep their products somewhat secure from piracy and that's why they develop apps like Origin. When someone spouts nonsense about the need to pirate they have just given EA ammo for their fight to continue pursuing unsavory tactics that are now being scrutinized by consumers.

yeah but now you can ask: Have it done something against piracy? No. See SecuRom. See the Ubisoft version of origins which was developed for AC II. This isn´t stopping piracy. It supports the opinion that piracy is the only solution for gamers, if they don´t want to be spied out. Like Michel1986 said things like origns encourage piracy and they don´t help against it at all. I thought EA learned this lesson by the spore disaster. I hope there will be a better solution but when EA stays stubborn games like ME3 become aims for pirates like spore.

Oh don't give me this bullsh*t argument. Pirates gonna pirate no matter what. You know it, I know it, EA knows it. Trying to justify the stance to ease your conscience by throwing up this smokescreen again does nothing for either side.

[Mister Mida]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Not_Zero wrote...

yeah but now you can ask: Have it done something against piracy? No. See SecuRom. See the Ubisoft version of origins which was developed for AC II. This isn´t stopping piracy. It supports the opinion that piracy is the only solution for gamers, if they don´t want to be spied out. Like Michel1986 said things like origns encourage piracy and they don´t help against it at all. I thought EA learned this lesson by the spore disaster. I hope there will be a better solution but when EA stays stubborn games like ME3 become aims for pirates like spore.

Oh don't give me this bullsh*t argument. Pirates gonna pirate no matter what. You know it, I know it, EA knows it. Trying to justify the stance to ease your conscience by throwing up this smokescreen again does nothing for either side.

If it's such a bullsh*t argument, I'm sure you have no problem refuting it, instead of just saying the standard line of 'Piracy will always be there no matter what'.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[Rompa87]

C'mon guys. Small independents like EA has to protect what little money they got. It's not like they have thousands of employees and several billion dollars in revenue. It's a question of survival for these enthusiast, working out of their garage in a Californian suburb.

Modifié par Rompa87, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:28 .

[Filurija]

I pre-ordered ME3 butt will use a crack

[didymos1120]

BTW, it seems that SW:TOR at least won't require you to have Origin running to play the game, even if you bought it through Origin. Hopefully, that'll apply to ME3 as well.

[CroGamer002]

^Also physical copy of TOR doesn't require Origin.

[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Also physical copy of TOR doesn't require Origin.

Yeah, that's what I was saying: it doesn't matter how you buy it.

[JGDD]

Mister Mida wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Not_Zero wrote...

yeah but now you can ask: Have it done something against piracy? No. See SecuRom. See the Ubisoft version of origins which was developed for AC II. This isn´t stopping piracy. It supports the opinion that piracy is the only solution for gamers, if they don´t want to be spied out. Like Michel1986 said things like origns encourage piracy and they don´t help against it at all. I thought EA learned this lesson by the spore disaster. I hope there will be a better solution but when EA stays stubborn games like ME3 become aims for pirates like spore.

Oh don't give me this bullsh*t argument. Pirates gonna pirate no matter what. You know it, I know it, EA knows it. Trying to justify the stance to ease your conscience by throwing up this smokescreen again does nothing for either side.

If it's such a bullsh*t argument, I'm sure you have no problem refuting it, instead of just saying the standard line of 'Piracy will always be there no matter what'.

After using various forms of Internet communication for the better part of two decades I can say with the utmost confidence that there is a huge contingent out there that will never pay for a game when they can pirate it. Ever. If a game isn't cracked (rare) they simply do not play it. That's a fact. For some it is a lifestyle and unlikely to change any time soon.

As for me...I sit somewhere in the middle of all this. I have no qualms about buying games. Supporting titles I enjoy is tantamount to the future of the gaming industry. I also have no guilt about cracking my purchased games just to avoid crappy DRM measures deployed by various software houses.