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[Sundiization]

I'll jut post this here, instead of starting a new thread:

Wikipedia says:

''Mass Effect 3 will be released in multiple editions. Alongside the regular edition, there will also be a collector's edition and a digital deluxe edition, each of which will include bonus content and unlockable items; most notably, four exclusive weapons found in the N7 Arsenal Pack.[51] The digital deluxe edition will be exclusively available through Origin, EA's rebranded PC game store''

[CroGamer002]

^Wiki ain't reliable source of information.

[Kharkov]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Wiki ain't reliable source of information.

 Well, wiki's answer is a damn sight more informative than the Chris Priestly - "Errr I dont know", not the most convincing answer considering he likes to market himself as the "All Seeing Eye".

 And an answer that was only obtained through private PM I think by Inge, who has now departed, after making it perfectly clear that he and EA are not friends anymore, lol

 So, thx wiki, you gotta love wiki, not always reliable, but at least they can string an informative sentance together.

  

[anzolino]

Available through Origin (the online store) is not the same as "You have to install Origin.exe and OriginClient.exe and you have to allow these programs gathering your software in the background"!(even on the hard copy).

[Rabenkopf]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Not_Zero wrote...

yeah but now you can ask: Have it done something against piracy? No. See SecuRom. See the Ubisoft version of origins which was developed for AC II. This isn´t stopping piracy. It supports the opinion that piracy is the only solution for gamers, if they don´t want to be spied out. Like Michel1986 said things like origns encourage piracy and they don´t help against it at all. I thought EA learned this lesson by the spore disaster. I hope there will be a better solution but when EA stays stubborn games like ME3 become aims for pirates like spore.

Oh don't give me this bullsh*t argument. Pirates gonna pirate no matter what. You know it, I know it, EA knows it. Trying to justify the stance to ease your conscience by throwing up this smokescreen again does nothing for either side.

If it's such a bullsh*t argument, I'm sure you have no problem refuting it, instead of just saying the standard line of 'Piracy will always be there no matter what'.

After using various forms of Internet communication for the better part of two decades I can say with the utmost confidence that there is a huge contingent out there that will never pay for a game when they can pirate it. Ever. If a game isn't cracked (rare) they simply do not play it. That's a fact. For some it is a lifestyle and unlikely to change any time soon.

As for me...I sit somewhere in the middle of all this. I have no qualms about buying games. Supporting titles I enjoy is tantamount to the future of the gaming industry. I also have no guilt about cracking my purchased games just to avoid crappy DRM measures deployed by various software houses.

I don´t know: Do you understand my argument? Maybe I didn´t explain it well enough. My Argument - or better said Michel1986 argument, which I approve - is not that spyware like Origins creates piracy. Piracy was, is and will always be everywhere where you can pirate something and that can be nearly everything. The argument is that more people will use pirated versions of games because of things like origins. And not because they don´t want to pay for the game, instead because they don´t want to have spyware like origins on their pc. Or because they don´t want to support systems like origins on the one hand, but want to play games like ME3 to the end on the other hand. That they don´t need to pay is a bonus for them.
The other thing is: When a professional hacker alias pirate is a gamer and they don´t like systems like origins - the reason for this can be everything - they hack the servers of EA more frequently to prove that things like origins don´t work on them. And that is a fact.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

In response to the original post, who says you need Origin at all?  We need to keep physical copies of PC games alive!  Go to the store, I beg you all!

As for me, I'll be getting the 360 version anyway because that's where my ME saves are.

[Rabenkopf]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

In response to the original post, who says you need Origin at all?  We need to keep physical copies of PC games alive!  Go to the store, I beg you all!

As for me, I'll be getting the 360 version anyway because that's where my ME saves are.

you need origins when you buy it in the store too. that is one of the problems.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Then here's an idea.

Developers and/or publishers: Take all of this excessive DRM crap, throw it in the garbage where it belongs, and go back to the way things were in, say, 1997. No internet connection required. Everybody wins.

[Rabenkopf]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Then here's an idea.

Developers and/or publishers: Take all of this excessive DRM crap, throw it in the garbage where it belongs, and go back to the way things were in, say, 1997. No internet connection required. Everybody wins.

yeah a great idea. send them a message. I wait for their answer...

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Hah. If you've ever e-mailed a corporation of any type, you know they either don't respond or it's an auto-response. Still, I wasn't joking about my idea. I know it is unlikely to happen, but if it doesn't, there will be a constant backlash by angry customers.

[Reptillius]

Not_Zero wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

In response to the original post, who says you need Origin at all?  We need to keep physical copies of PC games alive!  Go to the store, I beg you all!

As for me, I'll be getting the 360 version anyway because that's where my ME saves are.

you need origins when you buy it in the store too. that is one of the problems.

This is actually incorrect. At this point there is nothing that says you need Origin for hard Copy Versions of the game. Only digital download versions since it is a digital download manager.  Now that may change but you don't know that it will change.  The only two games so far that say anything about requiring Origin even on hard copies are games with strong online components.  One being an MMO. The Other being a online play based war game.

[Computer_God91]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

In response to the original post, who says you need Origin at all?  We need to keep physical copies of PC games alive!  Go to the store, I beg you all!

As for me, I'll be getting the 360 version anyway because that's where my ME saves are.

Exactly what I have started doing again. I'm getting Skyrim and ME3 as physical copies for my PC and every other PC I want after those I will do the same.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 19 septembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[Weskerr]

Well I've decided to pre-order the ME3 collector's edition now (because David Silverman keeps mentioning that supplies are limited), and if it turns out that the game requires Origin to be installed then I'll cancel my pre-order and get my money back. Very simple. If EA wants to play this game of waiting until the last second to announce whether Origin is required or not, then I'll play it. I'll also win it.

[alex90c]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Wiki ain't reliable source of information.

Depends on the number of citations and the quality of the sources themselves.

If I type in something like "Operation Overlord" there'll probably be a gazillion citations, whereas if I look up the Daco-Roman wars there'll either be none at all or just a couple.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Of course they're saying that CE supplies are limited, it motivates pre-order sales.

[Robhuzz]

Weskerr wrote...

Well I've decided to pre-order the ME3 collector's edition now (because David Silverman keeps mentioning that supplies are limited), and if it turns out that the game requires Origin to be installed then I'll cancel my pre-order and get my money back. Very simple. If EA wants to play this game of waiting until the last second to announce whether Origin is required or not, then I'll play it. I'll also win it.

Funny because the way I see it ME3 is several months away from being finished and therefore isn't in production yet and the CE is a bit more expensive than the regular edition. The EA I hear and see so much of isn't going to limit CE's because limited CE's = less money. EA settling with making less money than is possible? Maybe in the next life....

[JGDD]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Of course they're saying that CE supplies are limited, it motivates pre-order sales.

Speaking of pre-orders, here's a site that monitors the numbers for all platforms: http://www.vgchartz.com/home.php

As of the 17th there were in excess of 228K ME3 pre-orders (not all CE and appears to be XBOX).

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 21 septembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Then here's an idea.

Developers and/or publishers: Take all of this excessive DRM crap, throw it in the garbage where it belongs, and go back to the way things were in, say, 1997. No internet connection required. Everybody wins.

And people would pirate the F out of it.

Not all people are like you and me who pay for their games. Many run keygens coupled with torrenting games to play...DRM is sadly necessary, but DRM SHOULD NOT RUIN A  GAME, as it is doing with the  ME series.

[shepskisaac]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

And people would pirate the F out of it.

And they do it nowadays too. Seriously, how much time it takes for cracks to appear on the net? 2 days after the release?

Ubisoft said their draconian DRM decreases piracy. But it's interesting they didn't say if it actually increases sales.

In the end, people who bought the games have their experience worse with DRMs.

[JGDD]

IsaacShep wrote...

And they do it nowadays too. Seriously, how much time it takes for cracks to appear on the net? 2 days after the release?

For ME2 it was about one week before general release. The retail copies are vulnerable to employee's in dark storage rooms long before they hit the shelves.

[Weskerr]

Robhuzz wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Well I've decided to pre-order the ME3 collector's edition now (because David Silverman keeps mentioning that supplies are limited), and if it turns out that the game requires Origin to be installed then I'll cancel my pre-order and get my money back. Very simple. If EA wants to play this game of waiting until the last second to announce whether Origin is required or not, then I'll play it. I'll also win it.

Funny because the way I see it ME3 is several months away from being finished and therefore isn't in production yet and the CE is a bit more expensive than the regular edition. The EA I hear and see so much of isn't going to limit CE's because limited CE's = less money. EA settling with making less money than is possible? Maybe in the next life....

You're probably right but it doesn't change the fact that I will cancel my order if it turns out that ME3 requires Origin to be installed.

[Robhuzz]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Then here's an idea.

Developers and/or publishers: Take all of this excessive DRM crap, throw it in the garbage where it belongs, and go back to the way things were in, say, 1997. No internet connection required. Everybody wins.

And people would pirate the F out of it.

Not all people are like you and me who pay for their games. Many run keygens coupled with torrenting games to play...DRM is sadly necessary, but DRM SHOULD NOT RUIN A  GAME, as it is doing with the  ME series.

I feel DRM mostly causes extra piracy. People who otherwise legitimately purchase the game now get put off by an extremely annoying DRM and instead pirate it. Existing pirates aren't stopped with DRM either because a way around it will soon be found. Conclusion: DRM does not work.

You're probably right but it doesn't change the fact that I will cancel my order if it turns out that ME3 requires Origin to be installed.

I just wish the ME3 CE was available for pre-order already in the Netherlands. Nothing changes for me if ME3 requires origin. I'll just make sure to wait for a crack first before installing. That should stop me from having to install Origin on my system...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 21 septembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[alex90c]

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

And people would pirate the F out of it.

And they do it nowadays too. Seriously, how much time it takes for cracks to appear on the net? 2 days after the release?

Ubisoft said their draconian DRM decreases piracy. But it's interesting they didn't say if it actually increases sales.

In the end, people who bought the games have their experience worse with DRMs.

Exactly. This is why I like Paradox Interactive;s approach to things. Johan once stated quite a few years back that they're not going to bother with crap like DRM because they know no matter what, people will pirate their games so what's the point in spending money on all that "protection"? 

So basically what happens is pirates can continue playing these games easily while people who actually bought these games have to go through this frustrating DRM wwhich doesn't actually serve its true purpose and only pisses off customers. The only way you can really stop piracy of your product is by making it 100% multiplayer, and even then IIRC with Rift if you find a pirate server you can still play it.

[Mr.Pink]

If EA is smart(which they are, regardless of what others claim), they will change the policy on Origin, because they have royally p*ss*d off almost every Ea fan that games on PC. If you take all of the players for PS3, Wii/Nintendo stuff, and Xbox 360, and combine them, the amount amount of PC gamers dwarfs that. EA is losing it's largest market, and Battlefield 3(which looks downright awesome) is going to be the first EA game that HAS to have Origin to play it on PC. They just lost 4, 000, 000 sales right there. So unless EA wants to go mini small company because they think they have the god given right to p*ss off all of their fans, and lose sales, they will change the policy on Origin. When, I don't know, but I'll tell you this, they went to MIT for a reason. End of rant.

[anzolino]

IsaacShep wrote...
Ubisoft said their draconian DRM decreases piracy. But it's interesting they didn't say if it actually increases sales.

The quarterly statement reports that Ubisoft lost 60 Mill. in comparison to the same quarter of the last year. Of course they don't want this published on some gamer site.

@Mr.Pink: Where did you get this 4, 000, 000 lost sales count?