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[Zakatak757]

They made Red Orchestra 2 available on Steam. Hopefully that trend continues? Maybe EA could make it like $65 on Steam, and $50 on Origin. I would still buy it on Steam, but its an idea.

[Rabenkopf]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

My experience with BF3 and Origin has been an extremely unpleasant one.

that is interesting. I heard similar things about Fifa 12 + Origin. Can you post why it is unpleasant?

[TheKillerAngel]

Not_Zero wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

My experience with BF3 and Origin has been an extremely unpleasant one.

that is interesting. I heard similar things about Fifa 12 + Origin. Can you post why it is unpleasant?

Prepare for a wall of text. It actually led me to cancel my pre order of BF3 Limited Edition. The gunplay of the game is fun, but the "infrastructure applications" behind it are terrible.

The issue ultimately has more to do with BF3's implementation, but Origin is certainly a contributing factor. Instead of having the game as a standalone application, it is launched through your internet browser through a service called "Battlelog." To play the game, you either 1. open your browser or 2. open Origin, which depending on what you did first, then opens Origin/Battlelog then launches the game.

Yes - to play 1 game, you need to have Origin, an internet browser, and the game itself open. This is the first instance of incredible bloat. It is extremely inefficient and a prime example of bad user experience design to force players to use 3 separate software to use one application. Get this - If you quit Origin at any time while playing, it cuts you from the game.

What is even more idiotic is that a bunch of features originally managed in game have been moved to Battlelog. To join a squad (squad based combat is one of the CORE elements of the Battlefield series) or select your server, you have to do this in an internet browser. This makes no sense. Why the hell should i have to tab out of my game to switch to a squad of my choice or join a server of my choice? It just makes staying in contact with friends ingame exceptionally troublesome. The Battlelog site is also incredibly buggy so that doesn't help.

Another killing blow is that due to the game being laiunched directly from the broswer/Battlelog, there is no main menu. It's just straight from the browser to the game. The developers intend to shift a lot of ingame features to Battlelog. But you have to consider that it's an online service - which means that to play single player (not that BF3 has an incredible single player experience, but still), you have to be connected to the internet. Battlelog as of now also has no application adjustment features. This means that if you want to change your graphics settings or whatnot, you must join a game, crouch/get prone, hope you don't die, and then change your settings because Battlelog has entirely replaced any sort of ingame homepage or menu system. You better be fast with changing your settings because you will be kicked from a server for being AFK.

Ultimately, the killing blow is that DICE has explicitly stated they have no plans to add in-game squad management or an ingame menu. This has resulted in all sorts of rage on the EA/Battlelog/Battlefield forums, along with commensurate amounts of EA dick-sucking in the defense that the BF3 Beta is old code and that it is after all, a Beta. I get this. But much of the community indignation is not towards the status of this Beta having 
lots of bugs or balance issues - these are things that can be patched out. The real anger is at EA/DICE's deliberate actions that seem to insult longtime players or break mechanics that were previously working. Like, no ingame squad mechanics or main menu. What the flying fuck is that?

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 02 octobre 2011 - 09:50 .

[Rabenkopf]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Ultimately, the killing blow is that DICE has explicitly stated they have no plans to add in-game squad management or an ingame menu. This has resulted in all sorts of rage on the EA/Battlelog/Battlefield forums, along with commensurate amounts of EA dick-sucking in the defense that the BF3 Beta is old code and that it is after all, a Beta. I get this. But much of the community indignation is not towards the status of this Beta having 
lots of bugs or balance issues - these are things that can be patched out. The real anger is at EA/DICE's deliberate actions that seem to insult longtime players or break mechanics that were previously working. Like, no ingame squad mechanics or main menu. What the flying fuck is that?

interesting. And this problems are not some little problems instead problems in the basic system of the game. That can´t be changed anymore. At least not in the next months. Oh oh I hoped it only but BF3 could really end as a no-seller....

P.S. Thank you for the fast answer

Modifié par Not_Zero, 02 octobre 2011 - 10:02 .

[UserForFun]

 On August 24 2011, EA revised its End User License Agreement, removing several of the controversial sections. They released a statement saying that they had no intention to sell marketing data to third parties, nor install software akin to spyware on its customers PCs. The specific changes to the EULA removed EA's right to transfer collected personally identifiable data to third party users. However, Origin's EULA states that if there is a conflict with EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control. EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties. 

[Ixalmaris]

UserForFun wrote...

 On August 24 2011, EA revised its End User License Agreement, removing several of the controversial sections. They released a statement saying that they had no intention to sell marketing data to third parties, nor install software akin to spyware on its customers PCs. The specific changes to the EULA removed EA's right to transfer collected personally identifiable data to third party users. However, Origin's EULA states that if there is a conflict with EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control. EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties. 

Too little, too late.
EA will have a rough awakening with Origin as the acceptance of such DRM measures are not very high unless they have a lot of advantages for the customer (Steam).
Even Ubisoft, the former king of DRM is easing up on it and does not use its Launcher for its top games.

Sure, EA will make money with it. There are enough people who are addicted to Battlefield and will buy it no matter what, but they will still suffer a bit, especially when they require Origin for other not AAA hype games like battlefield.
And in the end it will get pirated anyway (on PC and consoles)

[anzolino]

TheKillerAngel wrote...
Prepare for a wall of text. It actually led me to cancel my pre order of BF3 Limited Edition. The gunplay of the game is fun, but the "infrastructure applications" behind it are terrible...

Oh boy, if I read this I'm glad I canceled this one! Sounds like a Ubisoft "always online" feature. Great!

I hope we will not get the same funny features in ME3: changing armour = connect to Cerberus Network via browser or improve Normandy = connect to Alliance Spaceport via third tool or ...

@UserForFun: You are really funny too.

...nor install software akin to spyware on its customers PC

What is spyware or malware? Wikipedia has the answer:

...More recently, the greater share of malware programs have been written with a profit motive (financial or otherwise) in mind. This can be taken as the malware authors' choice to monetize their control over infected systems: to turn that control into a source of revenue.

Spyware programs are commercially produced for the purpose of gathering information about computer users, showing them pop-up ads, or altering web-browser behavior for the financial benefit of the spyware creator...

Aha. And what does Origin want to do?

The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful
installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

For which purpose?

...for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

It's the same as the explanation for spyware, isn't it? And in addition to this "software, software usage" is personally! So, we have what? A spyware which collects personally data. Nice!

And how do you call this?
"...We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to
enforce EA’s legal rights...."
I don't know "agents" and I don't know "rare instances".

The specific changes to the EULA removed EA's right to transfer collected personally identifiable data to third party users. However, Origin's EULA states that if there is a conflict with EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control. EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties.

Ok, let's take a look at the Privacy Policy and the third party too:

VI. B: EA does not ... share or disclose personal information other than as set forth in this policy...

Aha. Did you read III. What Is Personal Information And When Does EA Collect It? It's a lot of.

...EA employs third party contractors to collect personal information on our behalf to provide email delivery, product, prize or promotional fulfillment, contest administration, credit card processing, shipping or other services on our sites...

Ups, my credit card informations goes to the third party? I'm sure that is just a mistake and will be corrected in the next version too.

If you really read the Orgin EULA, the ELECTRONIC ARTS TERMS OF SERVICE and the ELECTRONIC ARTS PRIVACY POLICY you don't want to install any game of EA. Never ever.

[Weskerr]

^Good assessment. One really must keep in mind that every word and term in any type of contract should be scrutinized.

[TheKillerAngel]

This is the sort of rage EA has stirred up.

I might get BF3 later, but only if it has a serious discount. My 60 bucks are better spent elsewhere.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 03 octobre 2011 - 12:44 .

[goofyomnivore]

Yeah BF3 sucks pretty bad because of Origin and Battlelog. It is a fun game, but not worth all the trouble required to play.

However I'm pretty confident ME3 won't be Origin required, I could be in denial, but I did cancel my digital pre order in favor of a hard copy.

[mango smoothie]

God man I really hated the how their handling BF3 for gods sake the game's menu is a website. I sure hope Origin will not be required for ME3, and I probably will be holding off on buying BF3 for awhile.

Modifié par mango smoothie, 03 octobre 2011 - 04:25 .

[shepskisaac]

WOW @ the BF3 mess. The weird, nonsense stuff publishers are doing with PC games this generation is just ?????

[Computer_God91]

Reading all this stuff about BF3 makes me hope even harder that it'll crash and burn so that EA will have to pull their heads out of their asses and dump Origin so that ME3 won't be effected. I wanted nothing more then to see BF3's massive success to destroy CoD once and for all but now I want to see it die and fail just so Origin will die with it.

[The_11thDoctor]

I made a poll. It should be enough to explain the issues of origin.

social.bioware.com/616669/polls/25333/

Modifié par aang001, 03 octobre 2011 - 07:24 .

[anzolino]

aang001, we have a poll! If you take a look at my signature...

[elitecom]

TheKillerAngel wrote...
The issue ultimately has more to do with BF3's implementation, but Origin is certainly a contributing factor. Instead of having the game as a standalone application, it is launched through your internet browser through a service called "Battlelog." To play the game, you either 1. open your browser or 2. open Origin, which depending on what you did first, then opens Origin/Battlelog then launches the game.

Exactly, it's practically rediculous how much stuff we must have running to just run a game, shouldn't things become less complex over time? What's happened to BF3 is exactly what should not happen to ME3. Don't force Origin and a bunch of extra software upon the user just to play a game.

To set up an example: Customers won't be coming back when they only wanted to buy some X when you force them to buy some Y too. They'll instead go to a place that sells X without being forced to buy Y. You can replace X and Y with whatever you want.  

[Tup3x]

Zakatak757 wrote...

They made Red Orchestra 2 available on Steam. Hopefully that trend continues? Maybe EA could make it like $65 on Steam, and $50 on Origin. I would still buy it on Steam, but its an idea.

I'd buy it for 32€ from Amazon UK...

Modifié par Tup3xi, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:19 .

[TheKillerAngel]

Ive gotten news that Battlelog will not be required to play BF#s single player anymore. That is good.

While Battlelog would be a great feature to store player stats or stuff, gutting the game and shifting a bunch of stuff that the game is supposed to have on its own into this extra feature is simply unnacceptable.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 03 octobre 2011 - 06:56 .

[anzolino]

Please let us keep to the topic: Origin and ME3.

[FoxShadowblade]

May Origin and any other monitoring software burn in hell.

I'd rather have a million people steal the game than one innocent person have their privacy violated. Complete and total bull that game companies are doing this now.

[AngusJimiKeith]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Ive gotten news that Battlelog will not be required to play BF#s single player anymore. That is good.

While Battlelog would be a great feature to store player stats or stuff, gutting the game and shifting a bunch of stuff that the game is supposed to have on its own into this extra feature is simply unnacceptable.

I can't even run BF3 on my pc as is. It is beyond laggy with origin, the browser, and bf3 open. Unecessary and dumb. BF is a PC game, I'd hate to have to play it on Xbox, but that seems to be the case.

POINT: Screw privacy, Origin is affecting many users with mid-level PC's (like mine) abilty to even play the damn game in the first place. Toss in an insulting attempt to hide what amounts to spyware, and I will deal with ME3 and BF3 and all future EA releases on console. It may not be as pretty, but it plays smoothly AND my hard drive isnt subject to scanning by a third party. I always played ME on both anyway...

I had heard that Origin will not be required for disc purchases of ME3, but I'm not sure if that is true or a rumor...

[ilPianiste]

AngusJimiKeith wrote...
(...), and I will deal with ME3 and BF3 and all future EA releases on console.

Yes, THAT will show them!