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[JGDD]

Malanek999 wrote...

The problem is this is just a EULA to cover their ar$e so they don't get sued. What I was asking is what information the service actually takes. What directories it will poke it's nose into. Although no lawyer I believe the RPS article is wrong, the EULA states

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically...

That doesn't give them free reign. It doesn't give them the right to examine documents for instance. Furthermore if they did do this and breach the spirit of their licencing agreement, their reputation would really be shot.

However I would still suggest to them that this could be clarified. It has stirred up a lot angst and if the software was not going to be as intrusive as some people believe, it wouldn't hurt for EA to legally clarify this.

It doesn't reign them in either. Peripheral hardware indicates not only things like mobo, gpu, cpu, etc., but also harddrives which contain everything. Software is so vague it could mean anything. They are not restricting it to their software at all. That's were it gets icky.

[heyimacrab]

MJRick wrote...

People are afraid Origin is going to see their porn.

EXACTLY!

[armass]

Sorry Bioware, if you do not tell your evil overlords, the EA, to fix this thing, you will lose my purchase also.

Modifié par armass, 25 août 2011 - 01:44 .

[Malanek]

J-Sheridan wrote...
Thats lovely, EA will take information that includes your address and an entire history of everything you have had on your system... then hand that information over to whoever pays them enough so they can spam you with mail.

The EULA does not allow this at least...


We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you.

[JGDD]

heyimacrab wrote...

MJRick wrote...

People are afraid Origin is going to see their porn.

EXACTLY!

Pfff

If they peek into some of the 'mancers' porn folders they get what they deserve for looking in the first place.

[Nathander Von Eric]

I couldn't care less who knows what kind of porn I've looked at in the past or may or may not look at in the future.

I care about the legal and business documents I have stored on my hard drive right alongside my financial information and personal correspondence I've had with family and friends . And that's just the stuff at the top of the list.

[charmingcharlie]

vader da slayer wrote...

1) gathers non personal system information to send back to EA. this is stuff like proccessor speed and software (Drivers) versions amongst other things. this doesn't let them look through your porn folder.

My PC specs or my driver versions are of no damn business to EA.  If I have a problem with a game they sell and it might be my PC setup then I will provide that information if I feel it is pertinent to the situation.  If EA wants to do this rubbish to help better understand the PC market then might I suggest they head over to the steam hardware survey page :-

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

There they will find plenty of info on current PC specs offered up VOLUNTARILY by PC gamers.  So no they do not need to sniff my hardware setup like some pervert in a rain coat.

vader da slayer wrote... 2) gathers and sends non identifying personal info (which would be things like when they ask you what types of games you like and other prefferences) to related third parties (such as owned subsidiaries) to improve their marketing (which would include email but that you can opt out of in your account settings)

I am not here to "improve their marketing", I don't pay nearly $100 per game to do their job for them.  If EA want to know what my preferences are then they can do a VOLUNTARY survey otherwise they can keep their nose out.  If EA was providing a FREE service I might consider it a "price to pay" but they aren't.  They are charging me through the nose for products and on top of that trying to make a quick buck out of a "marketing profile" of me.

I don't like the sound of that EULA and since the only opt out EA give us is to not install Origin then I am quite happy to oblige and use that opt out.  I am actually surprised there is anyone that is "happy" with regards to how that EULA is worded.  If Origin is the price I need to pay to play Mass Effect 3 then Bioware priced themselves out of the market in my books.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 25 août 2011 - 01:48 .

[VaultingFrog]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The problem is this is just a EULA to cover their ar$e so they don't get sued. What I was asking is what information the service actually takes. What directories it will poke it's nose into. Although no lawyer I believe the RPS article is wrong, the EULA states

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically...

That doesn't give them free reign. It doesn't give them the right to examine documents for instance. Furthermore if they did do this and breach the spirit of their licencing agreement, their reputation would really be shot.

However I would still suggest to them that this could be clarified. It has stirred up a lot angst and if the software was not going to be as intrusive as some people believe, it wouldn't hurt for EA to legally clarify this.

It doesn't reign them in either. Peripheral hardware indicates not only things like mobo, gpu, cpu, etc., but also harddrives which contain everything. Software is so vague it could mean anything. They are not restricting it to their software at all. That's were it gets icky.

Oh and what is to stop somebody from hacking into Origin and obtaining all of this data hmmm? If it really collects everything they say it does, any personal data is subject to being stolen by a hacker, increasing the odds of identity theft exponentially. Sure they could say that "nobody could hack this system" but anything can be hacked given time, power and a will to do it.

My personal info is just that, personal. There is nothing in this world that would convince me to allow a program to gather that info so somebody else could monitor it. Too much is at stake and honestly I dont know what kind of crackpot person came up with it and convinced companies to buy into it.

It is not protecting privacy what so ever. It is actually allowing easy access to millions of people personal data in one spot which undoubtidly will be hacked within weeks of its use. Morons....

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

If you guys want to stop it... you'll have to do more than just not buying their games... you have to bring it to their attention that you will not accept an invasion of privacy. That requires more than not buying anything EA. B/c tons of people still will.

[Feanor_II]

VaultingFrog wrote...

Oh and what is to stop somebody from hacking into Origin and obtaining all of this data hmmm? If it really collects everything they say it does, any personal data is subject to being stolen by a hacker, increasing the odds of identity theft exponentially. Sure they could say that "nobody could hack this system" but anything can be hacked given time, power and a will to do it.

Remember PSNGate.....

[JGDD]

VaultingFrog wrote...

Oh and what is to stop somebody from hacking into Origin and obtaining all of this data hmmm? If it really collects everything they say it does, any personal data is subject to being stolen by a hacker, increasing the odds of identity theft exponentially. Sure they could say that "nobody could hack this system" but anything can be hacked given time, power and a will to do it.

My personal info is just that, personal. There is nothing in this world that would convince me to allow a program to gather that info so somebody else could monitor it. Too much is at stake and honestly I dont know what kind of crackpot person came up with it and convinced companies to buy into it.

It is not protecting privacy what so ever. It is actually allowing easy access to millions of people personal data in one spot which undoubtidly will be hacked within weeks of its use. Morons....

Most online services are pretty well protected but there can be real snafu's. PSN anyone? What a way to tarnish your service with something as horrific as that.

That aside, the comments above dealing with profiling and personal data mining are just. Sooner or later corporations will figure out that they cannot punish the people that keep them in business by making them give up their rights.

[JGDD]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

If you guys want to stop it... you'll have to do more than just not buying their games... you have to bring it to their attention that you will not accept an invasion of privacy. That requires more than not buying anything EA. B/c tons of people still will.

Good point. Anyone going to PAX? Nothing like a public spectacle to get some attention.

[J-Sheridan]

Malanek999 wrote...

J-Sheridan wrote...
Thats lovely, EA will take information that includes your address and an entire history of everything you have had on your system... then hand that information over to whoever pays them enough so they can spam you with mail.

The EULA does not allow this at least...


We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you.

We may share your address with third party service providers but we wont tell them your name. Yeah... that does not make me feel better.

Incidentally, legalise BS makes for a poor substitute that some shady EA employee will stick to this policy no matter what. Throw enough money at them and I suspect that personal identification will be available under the desk.

Companies by default are out to make money and by definition a company is mandated to make as much money as it can. Companies are a machine, ethics, morality and rules mean nothing unless it affects profit and if selling your soul makes them a profit they will do so.

Sell customers a product and attach mandatory software that allows them to sell YOUR information to whoever pays them = WIN, WIN for EA
Your literally paying EA to rake through your system and sell any information they find useful to whoever wants it.

[Kileyan]

I guess I will wait on purchasing the game until there is an crack then. That will also mean it is a pain in the arse to purchase and run the DLC, which means I will likely not be purchasing their DLC. This also means I won't buy the game on release day, since I'll be awaiting a stable crack that included the inevitable first patch or two. At that point, rather than purchasing Biowares great new 59.95 game, plus all the DLC, i'll just end up waiting for a 29.95 price. Hey but you win EA, you are cutting down on piracy!

I won't pirate the game, but I will not be installing yet another invasive program like Steam, Windows Live or UBIsofts crap, just to play a game. They end up being bloatware, causing problems, and is some cases make systems unstable due to poor quality control. It isn't that EA Origins is bad, it is just that I have to put my foot down somewhere. At this point, I'm gonna have a fuggin bloatware program installed and wanting to autorun on my computer for everyone of the scores of game publishers out there.

[VaultingFrog]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Oh and what is to stop somebody from hacking into Origin and obtaining all of this data hmmm? If it really collects everything they say it does, any personal data is subject to being stolen by a hacker, increasing the odds of identity theft exponentially. Sure they could say that "nobody could hack this system" but anything can be hacked given time, power and a will to do it.

My personal info is just that, personal. There is nothing in this world that would convince me to allow a program to gather that info so somebody else could monitor it. Too much is at stake and honestly I dont know what kind of crackpot person came up with it and convinced companies to buy into it.

It is not protecting privacy what so ever. It is actually allowing easy access to millions of people personal data in one spot which undoubtidly will be hacked within weeks of its use. Morons....

Most online services are pretty well protected but there can be real snafu's. PSN anyone? What a way to tarnish your service with something as horrific as that.

That aside, the comments above dealing with profiling and personal data mining are just. Sooner or later corporations will figure out that they cannot punish the people that keep them in business by making them give up their rights.

You can protect it with firewalls and encription up the wall and it still wont matter. A skilled hacker will find a way in eventually. It might take them a while but no protection is perfect and a flaw will be exploited.

I would rather keep my data on my computer where I can control my own stuff instead of having it in two places. If I trusted them then I am doubling my chances of having my personal data being taken by somebody and used to tarnish my good name. Not a wise bet for me.

[Kileyan]

VaultingFrog wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Oh and what is to stop somebody from hacking into Origin and obtaining all of this data hmmm? If it really collects everything they say it does, any personal data is subject to being stolen by a hacker, increasing the odds of identity theft exponentially. Sure they could say that "nobody could hack this system" but anything can be hacked given time, power and a will to do it.

My personal info is just that, personal. There is nothing in this world that would convince me to allow a program to gather that info so somebody else could monitor it. Too much is at stake and honestly I dont know what kind of crackpot person came up with it and convinced companies to buy into it.

It is not protecting privacy what so ever. It is actually allowing easy access to millions of people personal data in one spot which undoubtidly will be hacked within weeks of its use. Morons....

Most online services are pretty well protected but there can be real snafu's. PSN anyone? What a way to tarnish your service with something as horrific as that.

That aside, the comments above dealing with profiling and personal data mining are just. Sooner or later corporations will figure out that they cannot punish the people that keep them in business by making them give up their rights.

You can protect it with firewalls and encription up the wall and it still wont matter. A skilled hacker will find a way in eventually. It might take them a while but no protection is perfect and a flaw will be exploited.

I would rather keep my data on my computer where I can control my own stuff instead of having it in two places. If I trusted them then I am doubling my chances of having my personal data being taken by somebody and used to tarnish my good name. Not a wise bet for me.

Yeh, requiring this sort of program and information gathering, just to play a SINGLE PLAYER game, is a bad move in light of google news tech section having a news reports of a gaming site being hacked every few days for the last several months.

Not to mention Bioware/EA's own service was hacked less than a couple months ago.

Modifié par Kileyan, 25 août 2011 - 02:36 .

[RAF1940]

DRM sucks. End of story.

[Zu Long]

This is why I have two computers- a tower used ONLY for gaming, and a laptop I use for everything else. Collect away EA, there's nothing on there to find.

[comrade8472]

it's just the start... pretty soon we'll all have to have a "mark" just to buy anything.

really want to get after Origin and other "services" get a lawyer and gov (probably be able to find a couple senators/ MPs) and have them look very closely at it.
Census people don't even do what Origin does
Origin = Lybia situation? mabey?
* I have origin installed hum wonder do they record key strokes?

[Bostur]

If Origin is mandatory I'll probably have to pass on ME3 as well. Not just because of the EULA, but the whole idea of Origin seems to be designed for vendor lock-in.

Ubisoft is already on my 'do not touch' list, and it seems EA will be as well.

[RogueAssassinX]

This post needs to stay on the top. It is imperative that this be answered by EA.

[Jog0907]

this is too much, I buy your game and promote the work of the devs and this is what i get? have my computer filled with spyware from a paranoid publisher who treats their customers like crap. I hope the bad press gets to them and they have to change it.

[Wrathra]

sigh. So much for ME3. I really want to play this game, but if Origin is required, then no.

[Trakarg]

If it's origin required, I won't play either. Not even if I can get every single squaddie I like as permanent. Which I most likely can't.