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[LordPaul256]

I'm going to play ME3. But there's no way I'm letting Origin on my computer. Make of that what you will.

[Chiefje]

LordPaul256 wrote...

I'm going to play ME3. But there's no way I'm letting Origin on my computer. Make of that what you will.

Same here

[netleopard54]

I have read the article, skimmed through the posts and I'm not seeing what all the drama is about. before I get blasted for that comment let me explain.

I don't at this point and time think that EA would require "origin" to be installed because its game distribution software, much like steam, which is also game distribution software with DRM. These software packages are usually required to download games, etc. from there perspective stores. If you buy the game somewhere else I cannot imagine you would need to install the software since you are not purchasing it from the ea store, now called origin, which matches the application name.

on a personal note, for digital downloads i use impulse, created by stardock (big anti-DRM company) and recently acquired by gamestop. To date no drm is used/installed by impluse unlike stream/origin (publisher drm's very, like ubisoft have skipped many of there games because of drm).

well that's just my 2 cents. Guess we will see what will happen.

[Nathander Von Eric]

It will be really nice when one of the good folks at Bioware replies in this thread and answers the question.

Will Origin be required to play ME3?

If we buy a digital copy is it Origin exclusive so we have to install Origin to make the purchase?

If we buy a physical copy of the game will Origin still be installed on our PC's?

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 25 août 2011 - 12:52 .

[MDT1]

...wrong button...

Modifié par MDT1, 25 août 2011 - 12:48 .

[MDT1]

It should be obvious by now that Origin is no DRM to prevent people from pirating.

Meanwhile almost everybody in gaming industry knows that you can't protect a game that is offline playable with DRM.
Also there is no reason to do so as pirates wont suddenly start buying a game just because they can't pirate it.

DRM's new purposes are (and in some cases always were) things like diminish resale value or like Origin to collect customer data so they know what advertising they should send you.

Modifié par MDT1, 25 août 2011 - 12:48 .

[Epic Legion]

I'll probably buy ME3, but no chance I'm installing EA spyware software on my PC. Fortunately, solution to this problem is rather easy.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

netleopard54 wrote...

I have read the article, skimmed through the posts and I'm not seeing what all the drama is about. before I get blasted for that comment let me explain.

I don't at this point and time think that EA would require "origin" to be installed because its game distribution software, much like steam, which is also game distribution software with DRM. These software packages are usually required to download games, etc. from there perspective stores. If you buy the game somewhere else I cannot imagine you would need to install the software since you are not purchasing it from the ea store, now called origin, which matches the application name.

on a personal note, for digital downloads i use impulse, created by stardock (big anti-DRM company) and recently acquired by gamestop. To date no drm is used/installed by impluse unlike stream/origin (publisher drm's very, like ubisoft have skipped many of there games because of drm).

well that's just my 2 cents. Guess we will see what will happen.

I'm afraid it doesn't necessarily work that way.

I bought  a physical copy of Civilization 5, and had to install Steam to run it.

And now Steam refuses to start my game, for no apparent reason, but that's beside the point.

 I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

MDT1 wrote...

It should be obvious by now that Origin is no DRM to prevent people from pirating.

Meanwhile almost everybody in gaming industry knows that you can't protect a game that is offline playable with DRM.
Also there is no reason to do so as pirates wont suddenly start buying a game just because they can't pirate it.

DRM's new purposes are (and in some cases always were) things like diminish resale value or like Origin to collect customer data so they know what advertising they should send you.

Indeed, from some of the responses, it sounds like it's actually encouraging people to pirate it rather than purchase

[normipaiva]

I really really hope Origin is not required for standard ME3 which you can buy from store. Just look at Origins EULA. It is basically spyware and parasite program which shares all your hardware-program usage habbits and merrily sales your personal information to third parties!:

"2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at EA Games - Electronic Arts. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control. "

from: http://tos.ea.com/le...a/US/en/ORIGIN/

more info on spyware Origin:
http://www.giantbomb...gins-eula/3616/

[MDT1]

Shinian2 wrote...
Indeed, from some of the responses, it sounds like it's actually encouraging people to pirate it rather than purchase

Of course!

DRM was always a balace of how mutch can you ask of you legal cutomers before they skip the game.

DRM is to make more money either by preventing resales of legal copys as the publisher/developer don't get revenues from resales or by collecting data you would otherise have to pay for or that would even be illegal to aquire etc.

That DRM has something to do with piracy is a fairy tale.

[Mykel54]

Chiefje wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

I'm going to play ME3. But there's no way I'm letting Origin on my computer. Make of that what you will.

Same here

Me too.

[mystia]

Mykel54 wrote...

Chiefje wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

I'm going to play ME3. But there's no way I'm letting Origin on my computer. Make of that what you will.

Same here

Me too.

me three

[Reever]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

I've heard people saying that all future EA games will require Origin. If true then I have a pre-order to cancel.

I understand and applaud your stance but it does little to deter thousands of other buyers.

Thing is, I want to buy the game without having to prove my honesty by allowing them access to my system. Nonetheless, if it boils down to being the only option I will use a crack and pretty much give them the finger. There are smarter people out there than them making countermeasures to invasion of privacy everyday.

Anti-Cerb...ehm EA/Bioware campaign?

Are they even allowed to have such a program on people´s pc´s (if it´s true what we hear about it?).
Cuz I truly don´t want to be spied on by Origins while play ME3 (and do other things on the PC, that´s none of EA´s or anybody´s business).

This could make me rethink my order...

[KendallX23]

if they want to see what my comp specs are i have no problem..but if they want to go through my personal files..then we have a problem...

[Nayt Navare]

Bought a gaming PC recently; Looks like I'll stick to Mass Effect on my 360.

This is wrong, plain and simple, in my opinion, and I'm a pretty laid back guy.

[arne1234]

stating the obvious here, but I do not like to give strangers acces to my personal files

[Feanor_II]

netleopard54 wrote...

I have read the article, skimmed through the posts and I'm not seeing what all the drama is about. before I get blasted for that comment let me explain.

I don't at this point and time think that EA would require "origin" to be installed because its game distribution software, much like steam, which is also game distribution software with DRM. These software packages are usually required to download games, etc. from there perspective stores. If you buy the game somewhere else I cannot imagine you would need to install the software since you are not purchasing it from the ea store, now called origin, which matches the application name.

on a personal note, for digital downloads i use impulse, created by stardock (big anti-DRM company) and recently acquired by gamestop. To date no drm is used/installed by impluse unlike stream/origin (publisher drm's very, like ubisoft have skipped many of there games because of drm).

well that's just my 2 cents. Guess we will see what will happen.

Take as example Battlefield 3, in that game players are forced to install Origin, even if they bought a physical copy and don't intend to use multiplayer.

[MassStorm]

Really don't care as long as they let me play off-line and UNLIKE Steam is region-lock free

Modifié par MassStorm, 25 août 2011 - 01:54 .

[DJRackham]

Shinian2 wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

It should be obvious by now that Origin is no DRM to prevent people from pirating.

Meanwhile almost everybody in gaming industry knows that you can't protect a game that is offline playable with DRM.
Also there is no reason to do so as pirates wont suddenly start buying a game just because they can't pirate it.

DRM's new purposes are (and in some cases always were) things like diminish resale value or like Origin to collect customer data so they know what advertising they should send you.

Indeed, from some of the responses, it sounds like it's actually encouraging people to pirate it rather than purchase

Which begs the question... Is it actually pirating to download a cracked version of the game if you legally purchased a copy of it? 

Edit: Disregarding the high probability of installing trojans or viruses with the cracked executable. 

Modifié par DJRackham, 25 août 2011 - 01:56 .

[MDT1]

DJRackham wrote...

Which begs the question... Is it actually pirating to download a cracked version of the game if you legally purchased a copy of it? 

Edit: Disregarding the high probability of installing trojans or viruses with the cracked executable. 

I guess this could be different from country to country but consider this:
If you normally install a DRM-heavy game, you know you install malware on your PC.
With pirated versions you only might install it 

[Epic Legion]

DJRackham wrote...
Indeed, from some of the responses, it sounds like it's actually encouraging people to pirate it rather than purchase

Which begs the question... Is it actually pirating to download a cracked version of the game if you legally purchased a copy of it? 

Edit: Disregarding the high probability of installing trojans or viruses with the cracked executable. 

You got the game license, you can do whatever ... you want.

Modifié par Epic Legion, 25 août 2011 - 01:59 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

SE JN wrote...

Bought a gaming PC recently; Looks like I'll stick to Mass Effect on my 360.

This is wrong, plain and simple, in my opinion, and I'm a pretty laid back guy.

I could easily buy the game for the 360 and play it.

But I will refuse to support a company that would expect me to willingly install what amounts to a trojan horse on my PC.  Buying it for the 360 would still be supporting this shady business practice.

Hmmm....I guess I could just wait and buy a used game to play on my 360 as someone else mentioned. That way I'd still get to play all nice and legal and EA/Bioware wouldn't get my support.

Of course I'd much rather see Bioware informing us that Origin will not be a requirement to play ME3 on the PC.

Then I could buy a brand spanking new copy and continue to support a company that makes great games.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 25 août 2011 - 02:02 .

[FERMi27]

People are just openly admitting they'll pirate the game if Origin stays mandatory. What a LOL.
Hopefully there are some significant EA employees tracking Origin-related topics on this forum.

[LadyAlekto]

MassStorm wrote...

Really don't care as long as they let me play off-line and UNLIKE Steam is region-lock free

Region lock on steam is based upon the developer of a gmae, if someone who made a game wishes that from valve it will be so... can be easily circumvented like any such