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[Killjoy Cutter]

Yeah, Sony couldn't get hacked either, or Bioware...

Wait...

[Deathwurm]

commando52 wrote...

EA can't steal your money. If they do such a thing once, they ,,would get sued out of existance". And why should your really personal stuff interest them? The only meaningful post was about hacking EA. But I don't really believe in this.

Edit: I don't get the point. What else could EA do with this information?

Then I have to say (and I truely mean no insult) that you're being a bit naive...Anonymous seems to be constantly attacking Sites, supposedly in the name of the average consumer but all they do is steal user information unless it's a DOS attack...how does that benefit the "average consumer?"

[JGDD]

This was posted earlier and maybe you should look at it. Link

[jojon2se]

heyimacrab wrote...
ill be pirating just to spite and boycott EA

That would be a diluted boycott, I'm afraid.
You have to show (...and tell - silence means it's just a failed game...) them that you are willing to fully abstain from a product, that you were otherwise looking forward to, due to their practices.

If you pirate, you will weaken your credibility. They will spin that as proof for the necessity of something like Origin and divert attention from the "rootkit" matter.

[Travie]

Origin has so many problems with it right now, privacy just being one of them.

For now I wont be letting Origin near my computer, and I'd recommend everyone do the same.

[Sarevok Synder]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

This was posted earlier and maybe you should look at it. Link

Woot you sayin, huh? You sayin da great EA not trustworthy!11

But they gives us the awesome button!!!.......*sigh*



But yes everybody; you will have to install this spyware to play every single EA game from here on in. Makes you think twice doesn't it?

[Killjoy Cutter]

I wanted to play ME3, I really did.

Now, I won't. Not with this.

[Stun Damage]

 http://pubvo.com/201...ter-inactivity/
I didn't mind the collect thing, but this... This is a real problem.

[Deathwurm]

commando52 wrote...

 http://pubvo.com/201...ter-inactivity/
I didn't mind the collect thing, but this... This is a real problem.

I may be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere that this is something they have back-peddled on and are not going to be doing. I've been trying to read as much as I can about the EULA and I've been primarily focusing on the more egregious aspects of it, so again...I could be wrong.

Modifié par Deathwurm, 25 août 2011 - 03:59 .

[Warheadz]

I can see the EA executives singing Trololo already.

Also, dunno if posted already: http://bit.ly/qJadhf

[Travie]

jojon2se wrote...

heyimacrab wrote...
ill be pirating just to spite and boycott EA

That would be a diluted boycott, I'm afraid.
You have to show (...and tell - silence means it's just a failed game...) them that you are willing to fully abstain from a product, that you were otherwise looking forward to, due to their practices.

If you pirate, you will weaken your credibility. They will spin that as proof for the necessity of something like Origin and divert attention from the "rootkit" matter.

A better route would be to buy the game and then crack it so no DRM makes it on your computer.

Then you could state this, its not like they could ban you for buying their games... but they will for pirating.

[JGDD]

Heh, the redditors have a nice thing going, too. Link

[Feanor_II]

commando52 wrote...

I don't have problem with that. They can see my PC specs and what am I playing. And why should I care about that? Seriously, do you thing that giant company like EA would have interest in stealing your private information and using it agains't you. This is just a stupid excuse for not buying the game. Instead of waiting for the great game, you are discussing things that don't really matter.

I see that many other users and myself have our privacy in higher steem than you have.

I have nothing to hide but EA (or anycompany/organization) has the right to be sniffing in my privacy for their own proffit, it's ethically, morally and legally (sure that it is in many countries) WRONG

[jojon2se]

Travie wrote...
A better route would be to buy the game and then crack it so no DRM makes it on your computer.

Then you could state this, its not like they could ban you for buying their games... but they will for pirating.

I'm pretty sure cracking the game makes you a pirate in their eyes, even if you do not distribute the altered binaries.
By modifying the product to circumvent DRM, you are breaking the terms of service and potentially making it easier for others to do the same.

The battle for the consumer's right to do what he will with something he paid for and the matter of just how legal the terms that keeps appearing in EULAs are, has been raging for years, without prejudicating resolution, but do keep in mind that you are dealing with rich corporations, that can throw a lot more money and time into litigation than you.

[Robhuzz]

Travie wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

heyimacrab wrote...
ill be pirating just to spite and boycott EA

That would be a diluted boycott, I'm afraid.
You have to show (...and tell - silence means it's just a failed game...) them that you are willing to fully abstain from a product, that you were otherwise looking forward to, due to their practices.

If you pirate, you will weaken your credibility. They will spin that as proof for the necessity of something like Origin and divert attention from the "rootkit" matter.

A better route would be to buy the game and then crack it so no DRM makes it on your computer.

Then you could state this, its not like they could ban you for buying their games... but they will for pirating.

That is the route I will take IF origin is required to run ME3. BioWare does good work and deserves support (imo) but I will not install spyware (from what the articles state, origin is just spyware) on my system in order to run a game.

[Travie]

jojon2se wrote...

Travie wrote...
A better route would be to buy the game and then crack it so no DRM makes it on your computer.

Then you could state this, its not like they could ban you for buying their games... but they will for pirating.

I'm pretty sure cracking the game makes you a pirate in their eyes, even if you do not distribute the altered binaries.
By modifying the product to circumvent DRM, you are breaking the terms of service and potentially making it easier for others to do the same.

The battle for the consumer's right to do what he will with something he paid for and the matter of just how legal the terms that keeps appearing in EULAs are, has been raging for years, without prejudicating resolution, but do keep in mind that you are dealing with rich corporations, that can throw a lot more money and time into litigation than you.

Well, at the end of the day there are very good reasons why 99.999999% of pirating/illegal distribution cases are never found and even less ever prosecuted. 

1. Courts have upheld the finding that in selling a product a company is not allowed to 'define' what legal rights the property holder is allowed for that property. Basically, they can't tell you what you can or can't do with something you legaly own. Ever more basically, EULAs don't really mean much... they are mostly for show.

2. The sheer number of cases make it insanely prohibitively expensive to prosecute them. 

The only cases that are ever prosecuted are ones where a single entity or person writes software to circumvent the normal drm inherent in a system to allow for piracy and the software can be tracked back to that person, i.e. the sony cracking case of a few years ago. 

Even then, the software doesn't go away and the PS3 and xbox360 can still be cracked to this day by anyone who has the time and energy to do so...

[J-Sheridan]

commando52 wrote...

 http://pubvo.com/201...ter-inactivity/
I didn't mind the collect thing, but this... This is a real problem.

I cant believe your that much of an idiot to see how those two things are connected...

This software will check your system and delete your games if you dont use them. What were you saying about EA not being able to do much on your system ?

I call being able to erase data from a system being able to do a LOT. Oh hey... you havent used ME 3 in 2 weeks, we will just erase you system including savegames.

This software scans your system... thats just great so if EA decide you have something on your system you arent using enough they can potentially wipe it. Now if someone at EA messes up that software all it takes is for it to remove wrongly named folders, files and data for things to go horribly wrong.

EA wont search through your personal information - Uhm... yes they will.
Third Party comes up to them and asks how many people use X bank and have Y amount of money in it. You think a company will turn down money to do that ?

[Killjoy Cutter]

I have emailed EA and BioWare regarding this issue, expressing my concerns and informing them of my decision to not purchase software that uses Origin.

[jojon2se]

Travie wrote...
Well, at the end of the day there are very good reasons why 99.999999% of pirating/illegal distribution cases are never found and even less ever prosecuted. 
--- snip ---

I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

[Travie]

jojon2se wrote...

Travie wrote...
Well, at the end of the day there are very good reasons why 99.999999% of pirating/illegal distribution cases are never found and even less ever prosecuted. 
--- snip ---

I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

I don't pirate myself, just sayin 

[Deathwurm]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I have emailed EA and BioWare regarding this issue, expressing my concerns and informing them of my decision to not purchase software that uses Origin.

I have just finished doing the same thing. The only way this is going to change, however is by contacting people outside of EA and making them aware of the issue. Gaming newsites are already picking up on this and have been running with it. Hopefully we'll begin to see larger and larger site pick it up as well.

I intend to wait for a response to my e-mail (ridiculous to expect one, I know) and see what they have to say. If not satisfied, I intend to make a complete fool of myself and contact a local News Station that has a very active Consumer Affairs hotline and see if they will look into the matter...as a very last resort, I have a distant relative who sits on the Pennsylvania State Legislature and I will contact him. People like that are always looking for a way to get their faces out there and this doofus will probably jump at the chance to take up yet another Cause that might get him some recognition.

[Bostur]

Deathwurm wrote...

commando52 wrote...

 http://pubvo.com/201...ter-inactivity/
I didn't mind the collect thing, but this... This is a real problem.

I may be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere that this is something they have back-peddled on and are not going to be doing. I've been trying to read as much as I can about the EULA and I've been primarily focusing on the more egregious aspects of it, so again...I could be wrong.

That would certainly be great news if they did.

I got a feeling that some of the issues we rage about is caused by the EULA being a work in progress. I'll reserve my final judgement for a bit longer.