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[Hayes1987]

I was hoping someone would be able to tell me why an Amell would be in Fereldans circle?

I'm wondering because the only reason Leandra and her family were in Fereldan is because of the apostate Hawke
and I would think an Amell would be in Kirkwalls gallows.

Anyone know how an Amell would end up there?

[Heimdall]

Perhaps they pulled some strings because they knew The Gallows was worse than normal circles.

Or maybe that branch of the Amell family was living in Ferelden.

[Neminea]

Not sure, it was a cousin wasn't it? Could be that those Amells lived in Ferelden, since Leandra tells about how many noble families wouldn't marry into the line because of it's magic. They could have found a match outside of Kirkwall more easily maybe because they might not know about that particulair stigma.

Or maybe the Kirkwall circle wasn't equiped to deal with another mage at the time, or the Amells used their standing to get the mage to the Fereldan circle if the Kirkwall one allready had a bit of bad rep.

[Hayes1987]

But was Meredith the knight commander back then you think? The Amell in question was probably quite young when he/she first arrived at the tower. I think that it's possible the circle at the Gallows had a different rep altogether.

[Neminea]

Probably not but I thought the Kirwall circle had a bit of a reputation even before Meredith. Not sure about that though. I figured as much because the Kirkwall circle is more like a prison in looks (as it was an actual prison in ye olden days) and they never did anything to change that (like take down those statues).

[Heimdall]

I was always under the impression that The Gallows' reputation preceded Meredith, though not quite as bad. It's just as if not more likely that those Amells didn't live in Kirkwall. The estate didn't look equipped for, nor did we receive any visits from, any extended family.

[T3H Fish]

From what I understand, the Amell found in the Ferelden Circle was born to Revka Amell, seemingly before Leandra ran off with Malcolm, and it ruined the Amell family's chances of taking over the Viscount succession. Because of their status, I'd imagine that the Amells managed to pull some strings to send the child away from the Free Marches, maybe to cover up that a mage had been born in the blood-line or to protect him/her from the reputation that surrounds the Gallows.

And of course everything went downhill for the Amells after that incident.

[TEWR]

The Amell mage is the son/daughter of Leandra's cousin Revka, and mages do get transferred to different Circles. Anders is from the Anderfels, and was most likely in another Circle prior to Ferelden's. Karl was also a mage in Ferelden's Circle, but was transferred to Kirkwall's.

Kirkwall's Circle had a bad reputation prior to Meredith's promotion to Knight commander. When she became KC, the reputation only got worse.

Also, noble children sometimes abandon their titles for reasons of their own. Hell Revka Amell may have just been living in Ferelden.

[erilben]

T3H Fish wrote...

From what I understand, the Amell found in the Ferelden Circle was born to Revka Amell, seemingly before Leandra ran off with Malcolm, and it ruined the Amell family's chances of taking over the Viscount succession. Because of their status, I'd imagine that the Amells managed to pull some strings to send the child away from the Free Marches, maybe to cover up that a mage had been born in the blood-line or to protect him/her from the reputation that surrounds the Gallows.

And of course everything went downhill for the Amells after that incident.

The Amell codex claims an Amell was considered to be viscount after Threnhold. That doesn't make sense with Meredith's codex that says that Threnhold was deposed in 9:21 Dragon. Leandra and Malcolm ran away long before 9:21.

Also nothing says the Amell child mentioned in the Amell codex is the same as the Warden. Revka had more than one child. All of them were mages and were taken to the Circle.

Modifié par erilben, 24 août 2011 - 04:19 .

[dragonflight288]

I just barely finished Origins, Awakening, Golems, and Witch Hunt with an Amell mage. Based on conversation choices, it seems he was born in Denerim himself. Most likely his family was living a wealthy life in Ferelden's capital as they were only a branching family of the head of house.

[T3H Fish]

erilben wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

From what I understand, the Amell found in the Ferelden Circle was born to Revka Amell, seemingly before Leandra ran off with Malcolm, and it ruined the Amell family's chances of taking over the Viscount succession. Because of their status, I'd imagine that the Amells managed to pull some strings to send the child away from the Free Marches, maybe to cover up that a mage had been born in the blood-line or to protect him/her from the reputation that surrounds the Gallows.

And of course everything went downhill for the Amells after that incident.

The Amell codex claims an Amell was considered to be viscount after Threnhold. That doesn't make sense with Meredith's codex that says that Threnhold was deposed in 9:21 Dragon. Leandra and Malcolm ran away long before 9:21.

Also nothing says the Amell child mentioned in the Amell codex is the same as the Warden. All of Revka's children were mages and were taken to the Circle.

You have a point, there hasn't really been any proof across Origins or DA2 that connects the Amell Warden to Hawke's family lineage, but there also isn't anything that really dispproves the possibility of the family connection. We don't know for certain how long the Warden has lived at the Ferelden Circle, though the Origin intro states the Amell has lived their all their life, but that could mean as only as far back as the mage can remember.

The codex itself doesn't specify any dates to when the child was born or taken away, nor does it specfically mention which Circle they were taken away to and when. From the sounds of the codex, this is the first time magic has cropped up in the Amell family, but it could have simply been a family secret no one knew about until the issue of the seat of Viscount was in play.

It's a possiblity, but I doubt we'll know any-more unless the devs release a DLC about the matter or it's given more detail in DA3.

[Sepewrath]

erilben wrote...
The Amell codex claims an Amell was considered to be viscount after Threnhold. That doesn't make sense with Meredith's codex that says that Threnhold was deposed in 9:21 Dragon. Leandra and Malcolm ran away long before 9:21.

Also nothing says the Amell child mentioned in the Amell codex is the same as the Warden. Revka had more than one child. All of them were mages and were taken to the Circle.

Yeah that doesn't make sense, though I believe the codex actually says they settled down in Lothering in 9:20, so it does indicate that they ran long before 9:21. But it was probably a mistake on date where Threnhold was diposed, it would of had to have been probably right as the Dragon Age started. Like 9:05 or something like that and then Revka had the kid, which ruined their chances of succession. When you think about it, given Leandra's age she would have been in running off pregnant age, long before 9:21, the story starts 9yrs later, which would be impossible. So if I had to guess at a timeline, I would say like 9:06-7 was when she left, not too long after Threnhold had been taken from power. And that would make that first kid, way too old to be the Warden.