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[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh well. I'll do my best to save humanity in ME3, but saving lives in general is more important.

Thank goodness there are loyal humans in the galaxy to balance you out.

Don't you want humanity to be killed, melted down, and be fed to Reapers? In what way are you a loyal human?

You support humanities destruction and you support Cerberus which is actively trying to stop us from stopping the Reapers.... wow if that is what a loyal human is suppose to be than I'm happy to be a un-loyal.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I didn't hear anyone complaining when I saved the Destiny Ascension, of course...

Of-course not. Bioware wouldn't want to trouble your pretty little head with anything but praise.

Well, I also did get humans a seat on the Council. I imagine that softened the blow of a six-ship loss a little.

8.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh well. I'll do my best to save humanity in ME3, but saving lives in general is more important.

Thank goodness there are loyal humans in the galaxy to balance you out.

Don't you want humanity to be killed, melted down, and be fed to Reapers? In what way are you a loyal human?

You support humanities destruction and you support Cerberus which is actively trying to stop us from stopping the Reapers.... wow if that is what a loyal human is suppose to be than I'm happy to be a un-loyal.

Saphra: Cerberus is awesome and cool and amazing.
Forumite: I disagree.
Saphra: You are a stupid traitor against your species and deserve to die!

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, I also did get humans a seat on the Council.

Which helped humanity how exactly? When humanity again fell under attack the Council blatantly told humanity to **** off and die. Meanwhile the Alliance fleet is too weak to even attempt to do anything.

At least the human Council actually does look into the problem and neglects to send its full fleet due to other competing interests, not because it can't.

I'd rather humanity be capable but unwilling than willing but incapable.

I'd rather the galaxy not be led by any one species at present.
And no matter how many humans die in this war, unless humans go totally extinct, our chances of survival will still be higher than they were before the Reapers hit, so rest assured it counts as a human victory regardless.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

She still deserves to be punished for aiding and abetting Saren.

I'd prefer to take her into custody. Just executing her on the spot feels out of place.

Having her serve hard time in San Quentin would have been a nice neutral option but alas it isn't...

[MELTOR13]

Saphra, half the things you mentioned in your Cerberus list of 'successes' can hardly be called a success by the definition of the word.

-Project Overlord is almost fully wiped out, even if you keep David.
-Replicating the Normandy when you already have all the schematics? Not a matter of skill, just a matter of resources and time.
-Subject Zero project ended with the slaughter of pretty much the entire project, and Cerberus didn't even get anything out of Jack, as she broke free.
-Derelict Reaper is destroyed, and the entire research team was turned into Husks. Since nothing is ever mentioned of any actual research being used, so it's safe to assume that research mission was a massive failure. Shep's mission to retrieve the IFF is a success, if that's what you are referring to. That is more on Shep than Cerberus though.
-Gillian Grayson experiments are hardly a success, as, again, Cerberus has no control over Gillian. Creating a superhuman isn't exactly a success when that superhuman may very well come back to destroy you.
-Shep's body was recovered by Liara, not Cerberus.
-Horizon and Collector ship raids were successes due to Shep being involved, not Cerberus. The only thing Cerberus did to enable this was bringing Shep back to life (admittedly, their greatest success to date).
-Again, elimination of Shadow Broker due to Shep and his team...only initially enabled by Cerberus via the Lazarus Project
- Eliminating Paul Grayson was a success...allowing him to be freed and go on a rampage was a massive failure. So, basically, killing him was only good for covering up their big **** up.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd rather the galaxy not be led by any one species at present.

Yes, you'd rather the galaxy be crushed beneath the tread of a monolithic Council which none can hope to challenge. You are a defender of tyranny, not freedom. Oppression, not growth. Genocide, not good will.

The human Council is a more benign entity than the old Council ever was. It is the figurehead for a much more balanced (but still imbalanced) galaxy than was the old Council. Under the new Council their power is not absolute and the other races are closer to being equal.

None can hope to challenge? Whatever happened to humans being so awesome?

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Don't you want humanity to be killed, melted down, and be fed to Reapers? In what way are you a loyal human?

I want to preserve our legacy. Go and read CaptainZaysh's thread.

It is nothing to be afraid of.

Don't fear the Reaper.

This is why people shouldn't take your opinion seriously. You want to destroy humanity so a genecidal alien specie will look vagely human until the next cycle when they harvest another specie trash the old 'human Reapers' and get new ones. Once that happens then humanities great 'legacy' is lost anyway.

You want to kill every single sentient being in the entire galaxy just so humanity can become gerber's baby food for Reapers. In what world are you loyal to humanity and we the ones that want to save humanity is un-loyal?

[MELTOR13]

Saphra Deden wrote...

MELTOR13 wrote...

Saphra, half the things you mentioned in your Cerberus list of 'successes' can hardly be called a success by the definition of the word.

Lives being lost does not in any way detract from whether the project was a success or not. They are irrelevant as far as success is concerned.

To judge if a project was a success or not you look at the goal and see if they achieved it. If they did then it was a success.

Lives being lost along the way are irrelevant.

Not all of the project's were a success, then, even by your definition. 

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

None can hope to challenge? Whatever happened to humans being so awesome?

Humans are awesome, but they're not invincible. Them joining the old Council would just make the old Council stronger, increasing the disparity between Council and non-Council races.

Thus proving that humans don't care about other species' equality, that the supposed equality if it exists at all under the human Council is due to circumstance alone, and that power is all that matters. Conclusion finalized, thank you for your time.

My plan for ME3 still stands. I'll save the greatest number of people I can save, and that includes nonhumans.

[Lotion Soronarr]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, Cerberus is in the buisness of advancing humanity.

No, Cerberus is in the buisness of advancing itself.

People have a hard time with the idea that a group that is made up of humans isn't by definition 'humanity'. How many human dictators have there been that wanted to put themselves on top without having to answer to anyone and do whatever they wanted to do? Giving Cerberus advanced technology given their record and the fact TIM lies and decieves you multiple times in the game is not only wrong its insane.

You are proven wrong multiple times trough the game. Cerberus manipulates events to get best results for humantiy. Why do you think they leak technology and info to the SA?
And multiple times? What multiple times? The only time TIM witheld info (which is not the same as a lie) is the Collector ship.

Point me at something Cerberus did that didn't end up helping humanity.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

...when they harvest another specie trash the old 'human Reapers' and get new ones.

Why would that happen? Oh I see, you're making **** up to defend your argument. Gotcha.

Regardless. Even if our Reaper is destroyed next cycle at least I increased our lifespan by some 50,000 or so years.

Zulu why are you using Saphra's account?
You sneaky sneaky xenophobe.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Thus proving that humans don't care about other species' equality,

Of-course not. Why should they? The human Council creating a more balanced galaxy is an unintended side effect. However it is a side effect you should be happy with.

No, it's a deviation from what I'd prefer. I believe the Council as it stands is better than any sort of single-species hegemony for my purposes.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

...when they harvest another specie trash the old 'human Reapers' and get new ones.

Why would that happen? Oh I see, you're making **** up to defend your argument. Gotcha.

Regardless. Even if our Reaper is destroyed next cycle at least I increased our lifespan by some 50,000 or so years.

No I'm not the Reapers harvest different species and make new bodies because their old ones get old. Have you noticed how virtually all the Reapers look exactly the same? You know what that meanst all the Reapers that exist today came from the last successful harvest. They're organic which means they get old and they need to reproduce. If they were immortal there would be no need to make new Reapers. Its called logic Saphra, they make new Reapers because the old ones need replacing.

Humanity would most likely survive up to 50,000 years and well beyond that. All you did was ensure that humanity goes extinct that is all you've done. I give humanity a chance to live on for possibly millions of years I'm the one ensuring humanty's legacy you're destroying it.