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[Davie McG]

Saphra Deden wrote...

MELTOR13 wrote...

Not all of the project's were a success, then, even by your definition. 

All of the ones I listed were. There were failures, notably the rachni experiments, whatever experiments Shepard trashed on Binthu and Nepheron, and the assault on the Migrant Fleet. Everything else was a success.

You mentioned taking out Paul Grayson, I wouldn't say that really counts as a success.

He wouldn't have been at large in the first place if cerberus hadn't forcefully indoctrinated him. Then it was Kahlee Sanders who figured out where he was heading and enabled Sanders and Anderson to track him down. Kai Leng did deliver two shots to the head that killed him, but it was unnecessary as Anderson had already mortally wounded him with a shotgun blast at close range.

While you could say cerberus at one point set out to kill Paul Grayson and it was a Cerberus assassin that executed him, it would be misleading and inaccurate to claim it as a Cerberus success. If anything it was Cerberus experiment that went wrong, that was cleaned up by a civilian and a rogue Admiral (anderson is an Admiral and not a captain isn't he?) and a cerberus agent who's initial plan had turned to sh!t.

[Seboist]

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

[Wulfram]

Xilizhra wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The sensible and realistic thing to do with Shiala would have been to hand her over to the alliance for questioning and potential trial.

Why would the Alliance have any jurisdiction? She should be sent to the Republics, if anything.

She was captured on an Alliance colony, by the crew of an Alliance vessel.  Possibly, after her intelligence value is exhausted, she would be extradited.  I don't know, and I don't think Shepard would really care.

Barquiel wrote...
My Shepard wrote a mission report -> the council and the alliance
(Udina, Anderson) read it -> they could always arrest Shiala.

Except that Shepard seems to take no precautions to stop her just jumping on the next ship

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

[Seboist]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

But who will romance Shisk?
You heart breaker.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

You mentioned taking out Paul Grayson, I wouldn't say that really counts as a success.

How is that not a success? They lured Grayson into a trap (even got Aria to do all the work, and then when she bungled it) they tracked Grayson to the Ascension Academy and Kai Leng was able to take him out. That's a success.

Kai Leng managed all of this despite Anderson and Kahlee working against him the entire time.

The only reason he was ever at large was because of the Anderson/Turian raid. A raid which ultimately failed to achieve anything and resulting in high casualities for the raiders.

Cerberus were the big winners of that novel.

Doesn't that contradict what you said about Cerberus' huge losses in said novel?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

You mentioned taking out Paul Grayson, I wouldn't say that really counts as a success.

How is that not a success? They lured Grayson into a trap (even got Aria to do all the work, and then when she bungled it) they tracked Grayson to the Ascension Academy and Kai Leng was able to take him out. That's a success.

Kai Leng managed all of this despite Anderson and Kahlee working against him the entire time.

The only reason he was ever at large was because of the Anderson/Turian raid. A raid which ultimately failed to achieve anything and resulting in high casualities for the raiders.

Cerberus were the big winners of that novel.

Doesn't that contradict what you said about Cerberus' huge losses in said novel?

Saphra and Cerberus don't need your fancy logic! They've got more important things! Like a fantastic turnover rate! And being the Reapers new toys!

[Seboist]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

But who will romance Shisk?
You heart breaker.

Shisk is her man on the side, shhhhhhh.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

That's a pretty sensible reaction. Anderson the one person whoose always been on your side, who gives you your rank back and gives you the Normandy back you're going to kill because he attacked a group that is now trying to kill you? Yep that makes alot of sense.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Doesn't that contradict what you said about Cerberus' huge losses in said novel?

No. They were the "big winners" is that they accomplished the most in the novel. They were still hit hard. It wasn't a "flawless victory", but it was a victory none the less.

What did anyone else accomplish? The main point of the raid was to destroy Cerberus by capturing the Illusive Man. That failed. It was to rescue Grayson as well. That too failed.

Aria lost her daughter an failed to exact retribution. TIM wound up manipulating her right into his hands. He even got her to return his data to him and use her own muscle, twice, to accomplish his goals.

The Aria and TIM subplot was the best one out of everything in the three books. It really made up for the lackluster TIM portrayal in Ascension...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

But who will romance Shisk?
You heart breaker.

Shisk is her man on the side, shhhhhhh.

At least TIM isn't in a relationship when he whores around.
For shame Seboist.

[Seboist]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

That's a pretty sensible reaction. Anderson the one person whoose always been on your side, who gives you your rank back and gives you the Normandy back you're going to kill because he attacked a group that is now trying to kill you? Yep that makes alot of sense.

Anderscum created a "political ****storm" and weakened Shepard's ally just to satisfy the desire of some woman he had the hots for. All his previous good deeds are rendered null and void due to that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seboist wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

That's a pretty sensible reaction. Anderson the one person whoose always been on your side, who gives you your rank back and gives you the Normandy back you're going to kill because he attacked a group that is now trying to kill you? Yep that makes alot of sense.

Anderscum created a "political ****storm" and weakened Shepard's ally just to satisfy the desire of some woman he had the hots for. All his previous good deeds are rendered null and void due to that.

Cerberus isn't an ally in ME3.
I know you really really really want them to be but they aren't.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

My Shepard will probably tell Anderson off if he gets the chance but the whole "Cerberus is the enemy thing" will make it a little hard for him to come out of that not looking like a chump.

Looking like a fool comes with the territory of being Renegade/Renegon thanks to BW's writers.

[aiDvEoN]

Cerberus are not.your ally. You are nothing more than a valuable asset to them, and if you think otherwise you're dumber than a stoned krogan

[Fathom72]

There are a lot of times when the renegade option makes sense, imo.  Don't necessarily agree with it, but it does make sense.

Rachni Queen:  Before presented with this choice, we get to see a case of indoctrination with Benezia.  Knowing that the Queen controlls the actions of all her offspring, do you really want to run the chance of her getting indoctrinated?

Council: It WOULD save human lives to ignore the geth fleet.  At a time when you need as many ships as possible.

Geth:  What's to stop the Reapers from re-introducing the virus upon arriving to the galaxy?  By killing the heretics here, you ensure that they remain a non-threat.

Genophage:  Makes sense only if you discount the reaper threat.  In a stable galaxy, it is logical to maintain the genophage.

Quarian/Geth war:  As Han Gerrel says (hope I got the name right...), when the Reapers come calling, it will be tough for the quarians to defend themselves in a fleet filled with civilian ships.  If they intend to bunker down and defend themselves, a planet is a much better option.


Those being the major choices, off the top of my head. 

[Rovay]

If I could sustain myself on Cerberus's loyalists logic (or perhaps lack thereof), I'd probably live well into next 30+ Reaper cycles.

[aiDvEoN]

In what universe is a terrorist organisation that has destroyed countless thousands of lives, and aims to crush.the rest of the.galaxy's civilizations under the heel of humanity sympathetic?

[Squidbreath]

killing the blue suns guy before he can warn the others, electro-knifing the blue suns bataranian, shoving that guy off the building, shooting a mech - "how abotu goodbye?" etc.  I'd say loads.