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[ISpeakTheTruth]

Seboist wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

Yes Anderson committed treason by attacking the assets of a known terrorist organization.<_<

We all know you want to shack up with TIM Seboist but good paragade you come on a little strong.

When my Shepard finds out what Anderscum did against her man she'll disembowel the son of a **** with her omniblade.

That's a pretty sensible reaction. Anderson the one person whoose always been on your side, who gives you your rank back and gives you the Normandy back you're going to kill because he attacked a group that is now trying to kill you? Yep that makes alot of sense.

Anderscum created a "political ****storm" and weakened Shepard's ally just to satisfy the desire of some woman he had the hots for. All his previous good deeds are rendered null and void due to that.

Anderson weakened Shepard's enemy. Cerberus is your enemy if you can't stand the idea of that than that's your problem but it doesn't change facts that Cerberus is your enemy they are the ones that will be shooting at you.

[DaringMoosejaw]

This is the unfortunate result of watching too much 24 it seems. 'Realism' apparently equals laziness.

If there was a hostage situation and the guy in charge had, flat out, only two options: Kill the person holding the hostages at the expense of the hostages, or let the hostages go at the expense of the taker going temporarily free at least - and that guy then decides to kill the hostages because it's 'realistic' - THAT IS THE LAST PERSON YOU WANT RUNNING A HOSTAGE NEGOTIATION.

Realism or incompetence?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

In what universe is a terrorist organisation that has destroyed countless thousands of lives, and aims to crush.the rest of the.galaxy's civilizations under the heel of humanity sympathetic?

You have to have a grownup brain that understands politics and biology.

And you have to have a basic level of maturity to respond to criticism without resorting to petty insults.

But you can't do that Saphra.

[aiDvEoN]

I see, so your answer is simply insults.

I can understand wanting to support human interests. I reject any approach that involves climbing over the dead and betrayed to do so. The ends do NOT justify the means.

[Kaiser Shepard]

*facepalm*

I can understand you guys being pro-Cerberus, but there's honestly nothing to justify all these anti-Anderson sentiments.

[yfullman]

Destroying the geth, killing Elnora, someone stupid enough to raise her gun to you after you gave her a break, killing Cathka, an enemy who was repairing a dangerous weapon that would soon be used against you. Just to name a few

[Davie McG]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

You mentioned taking out Paul Grayson, I wouldn't say that really counts as a success.

How is that not a success? They lured Grayson into a trap (even got Aria to do all the work, and then when she bungled it) they tracked Grayson to the Ascension Academy and Kai Leng was able to take him out. That's a success.

Kai Leng managed all of this despite Anderson and Kahlee working against him the entire time.

The only reason he was ever at large was because of the Anderson/Turian raid. A raid which ultimately failed to achieve anything and resulting in high casualities for the raiders.

Cerberus were the big winners of that novel.

I explained that in the rest of my post if you had bothered to read it.

And he wouldn't have been a problem at all if cerberus hasn't been conducting cruel and naive experiments on him.

Anyway if it wasn't for Anderson and Sanders Kai Leng would be stuck on omega with his thumb up his arse wondering where Grayson could be. Also as I said in my original post Anderson had fatality wounded Grayson, Kai Leng just put him out of his misery.

And why might I ask are you singing the praises of the Cerberus operative tasked with the assassination of Shepard?

[aiDvEoN]

Allies do not cover.your ship in spy devices.
Allies do not send you blindly into traps
Allies do not endanger your friends deliberately
Allies do not lie to you

That's four strikes against Cerberus

[Dean_the_Young]

Zu Long wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Terrorists don't care if they are going to die -- it's not a deterrent.

Given that half his squad abandons him when you point out all he's doing is getting them killed, it might be more of a deterrent than you think.

But when you get down to it, the REAL realistic option in that scenario is for Shepard to let the terrorists go to save the hostages, and then have Joker and the Normandy blow them out of space when they launch their shuttle. I was really surprised this wasn't an option. It seemed pretty obvious to me that when my giant warship is orbiting the asteroid they are going to lift off of, I can afford to let them think they are getting away.

Well, the really REAL realistic option in that scenario is for Balak to have the bomb trigger by proximity rather than detonator if you let him leave, and have the hostages die regardless.

I mean, the moment anyone gets within five feet or accesses the bomb's network... boom. Not hard.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

*facepalm*

I can understand you guys being pro-Cerberus, but there's honestly nothing to justify all these anti-Anderson sentiments.

Give them a few minutes and they'll start throwing around anti-Hackett sh*t too.

[Dean_the_Young]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Allies do not cover.your ship in spy devices.
Allies do not send you blindly into traps
Allies do not endanger your friends deliberately
Allies do not lie to you

That's four strikes against Cerberus

You haven't worked in the national-security field, have you? (Or international relations.)

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra... you're being blinded by your fanatic love of Cerberus. Cerberus has always been a threat, just because we shared a single goal didn't mean that they weren't a threat and everyone should have known that.

Weakening Cerberus is a good thing because it makes them weaker when they come after us. How you can say that he's a moron for attacking a threat that ends up blatently being a threat is beyond me.

[Dean_the_Young]

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was only a problem because of Anderscum's treason and the Turians' stupidity.

First, name calling is entirely juvenile.

Two, Anderson's actions were not treason. Unwise, yes, but whistleblowing and fighting a recognized enemy of one's organization is not treason.

Three, the Turians stupidity only extends as far as their not recognizing the Reapers. Without recognizing the Reapers, they had no knowledge or reason to make peace with Cerberus.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ahh I love the sight of fanatically pro-Cerberus renegade butthurt in the morning.

[Dean_the_Young]

aiDvEoN wrote...

In what universe is a terrorist organisation that has destroyed countless thousands of lives, and aims to crush.the rest of the.galaxy's civilizations under the heel of humanity sympathetic?

I dunno, but that's never been Cerberu's strategy or motto so you clearly aren't talking about Mass Effect.

[aiDvEoN]

@ Dean
Oh I understand the necessity of such arrangements, but they're not the practices of a great and trusted ally like the dogs up there seem to think Cerberus is. I'll believe that Tali can bench press Wrex unaided before I'll believe a word that comes out of Miranda, let alone TIM

[Dean_the_Young]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ahh I love the sight of fanatically pro-Cerberus renegade butthurt in the morning.

...you're saying you like to smell ass in the morning?

That's a bit personal to be sharing online, ain't it?