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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Thompson family wrote...

 irregardlss

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Thompson family wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Only the Paragon run has Shepard no longer working with Cerberus.  No one tells Shepard that Cerberus is coming after them in the Renegade ending.

But they do come after Shep irregardlss, Mr. Gogeta34.

That they do... which is a wider plot gap than it is for Paragons... or perhaps more accuratley, Bioware is still wrapping things around the Paragon decisions first... then looking at alternative decisions when/if there's time.

Looks like the trend continues...

Ftw on Frank Shepard btw. 

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 26 août 2011 - 05:08 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Only the Paragon run has Shepard no longer working with Cerberus.  No one tells Shepard that Cerberus is coming after them in the Renegade ending.

But they do come after Shep irregardlss, Mr. Gogeta34.

That they do... which is a wider plot gap than it is for Paragons... or perhaps more accuratley, Bioware is still wrapping things around the Paragon decisions first... then looking at alternative decisions when/if there's time.

Ftw on Frank Shepard btw. 

Ugh, they aren't making two different games for paragons and renegades man,so you're going to have to deal with the fact that Cerberus, is trying to kill you.

[Seboist]

You weren't the only one saying that ya know Saph.

[Sundance31us]

Look at it this way...

Cerberus hates Shepard so much that when they found out someone other than them was responsible for Shepard's death they brought him/her back just to kill him/her again themselves.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Only the Paragon run has Shepard no longer working with Cerberus.  No one tells Shepard that Cerberus is coming after them in the Renegade ending.

But they do come after Shep irregardlss, Mr. Gogeta34.

That they do... which is a wider plot gap than it is for Paragons... or perhaps more accuratley, Bioware is still wrapping things around the Paragon decisions first... then looking at alternative decisions when/if there's time.

Ftw on Frank Shepard btw. 

Ugh, they aren't making two different games for paragons and renegades man,so you're going to have to deal with the fact that Cerberus, is trying to kill you.

That's not the issue I'm raising.  And having outcomes to decisions that have equivalent weight and content does not require two different games.

And you're right, the premise of ME3 is dealing with the fact that Cerberus is trying to kill you.  Doesn't mean that there's no Paragon favoritism happening... again...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 26 août 2011 - 05:13 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

There are other ways for the story to diverge other then your petty Cerberus fetish...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

There are other ways for the story to diverge other then your petty Cerberus fetish...

Correction:  Continuity/Balance fetish...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 26 août 2011 - 05:17 .

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Remember when the devs kept saying ME3 was the game where paths would finally diverge in amazing ways?

Remember me saying it was BS?

Surprise surprise, I was right.

Looking that way, Saphra Deden, but don't pop the champange corks just yet.

For all we know, keeping the Collector base was a good call -- you just have to take it back from TIM. And you've got the IFF to do it.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I haven't discounted Cerberus benefits yet... but it still seems that non Paragon decisions will be getting the short end of the stick once more when it comes to beneficial outcomes and content.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

There are other ways for the story to diverge other then your petty Cerberus fetish...

There are, but the story isn't going to diverge at all so it really doesn't matter.

But you're a pessimist and a defeatist,they aren't going to please you unless we lose, but they have provided a losing scenario, so you can assume they wont diverge the story and complain about it, or you can be patient and wait to **** like the rest of us.

[Seboist]

The whole thing is fan pandering like Garrus "eternal sidekick" Vakarian being shoe-horned into being a squadmate in ME2 and 3 and suffering the biggest character stagnation of any ME1 squadmate just to appease the fanbase. They knew the Reapers on their own were pretty dull and didn't draw much emotional response from players so they decided to bring in the convenient whipping boy Cerberus into play that just happened to be hated by most of the fanbase.

I'll still reserve final judgment until I see how TIM and Cerberus are portrayed in ME3. If they're reduced to being one note clown villains on top of more anti-renegade lopsided BS then I'll consider the "Shepard dies" ending of ME2 to be canon.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Well... you must have soooomeee... since you're still going to play it right?

[Thompson family]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

There are other ways for the story to diverge other then your petty Cerberus fetish...

Correction:  Continuity/Balance fetish...

I generally prefer to wait until the game comes out before commenting on its continuity and balance.

The idea that there's no possible logical reason for Cerberus to do betray one person is a long way from being established.

For instance, perhaps TIM learned something from either the Collector base of EDI's scans of it that holds the key to defeating the Reapers -- and he doesn't want to share the victory with anyone, including Shepard and the intergalactic rescue Shep's trying to pull off.

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Still, even I admit that Renegades appear on their way to a cold bath.

Modifié par Thompson family, 26 août 2011 - 05:28 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...
I'll still reserve final judgment until I see how TIM and Cerberus are portrayed in ME3. If they're reduced to being one note clown villains on top of more anti-renegade lopsided BS then I'll consider the "Shepard dies" ending of ME2 to be canon.

That's the most anyone can ask for.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Seboist wrote...

The whole thing is fan pandering like Garrus "eternal sidekick" Vakarian being shoe-horned into being a squadmate in ME2 and 3 and suffering the biggest character stagnation of any ME1 squadmate just to appease the fanbase. They knew the Reapers on their own were pretty dull and didn't draw much emotional response from players so they decided to bring in the convenient whipping boy Cerberus into play that just happened to be hated by most of the fanbase.

I'll still reserve final judgment until I see how TIM and Cerberus are portrayed in ME3. If they're reduced to being one note clown villains on top of more anti-renegade lopsided BS then I'll consider the "Shepard dies" ending of ME2 to be canon.

Cerberus against Shepard in ME3 is a continuity break for base keepers... no question about it... and is only a continuity break for Base keepers.

I also do admit that story-wise... there's not been a single positive thing that's happened because of the non Paragon or Renegade choice compared to the Paragon alternative.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 26 août 2011 - 05:28 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


Cerberus against Shepard in ME3 is a continuity break for base keepers... no question about it... and is only a continuity break for Base keepers.

I also do admit that story-wise... there's not been a single positive thing that's happened because of the Renegade choice compared to the Paragon alternative.

The game isn't out yet, how would you know if it is a continuity break? As much as you and a few others would like to think, there isn't an " Omg TIM good luck, love ya." ending,you end on shaky terms at best, so saying it is a continuity break based on the few bits of info there is, is just pessimism because of Cerberus fanaticism.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 26 août 2011 - 05:34 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Thompson family wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

There are other ways for the story to diverge other then your petty Cerberus fetish...

Correction:  Continuity/Balance fetish...

I generally prefer to wait until the game comes out before commenting on its continuity and balance.

The idea that there's no possible logical reason for Cerberus to do betray one person is a long way from being established.

For instance, perhaps TIM learned something from either the Collector base of EDI's scans of it that holds the key to defeating the Reapers -- and he doesn't want to share the victory with anyone, including Shepard and the intergalactic rescue Shep's trying to pull off.

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Still, even I admit that Renegades appear on their way to a cold bath.

Yeah I'm only stating this with the premise of "given what we know so far and if the trend continues."

There are a number of reason why Cerberus could betray a base-keeping Shepard.  However, the premise is still a continuity break from the ending of ME2 for those who kept the base... while it's a logical progression for those that destroyed it.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson that doesn't hold up because we've seen Cerberus actively helping the Reapers. If they were still hostile to the Reapers but hostile to you as well that'd be different.

The Reapers crushed Earth. My assumption — and it's only that — is that TIM wants the other major species home worlds at least as damaged as humanity's before turning on them.

For instance, does TIM want a galaxy dominated by Quarians or Geth? Hardly.