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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...


If you took the Paragon path with Zaeed in ME2 then in ME3 he should come back, still on Cerberus' pay roll, and out for your blood.

Please explain why he would still be on Cerberus payroll.

His contract was to help on the SM,with a clause that Shepard helps him complete his previous contract to liberate the refinery,Vido dead or not,the contract was completed.

[Thompson family]

Zarathiel wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

...  Paragon Shepard's ability to Charm hardened criminals into becoming social workers (to use one example) borders on magic.

The one I never believed is that a crime lord would confess to hiring a hit man just to get a cheaper rate on bribing a police officer -- thereby confessing to bribing a police officer in the process.

I just adopt neither R or P option on that one and keep going to "I'm a Spectre. I'll shoot you if I want."

Except that is a renegade option. You get both renegade and paragon points for doing it, but you need a very high renegade score to even attempt it. (Almost as high as resisting Morinth.)

My mistake. I misattributed the quote. It should be "I'm a Spectre." The the lawyer says something to the effect of "S***! Sorry, client, I can't help you."

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

H_T's right. In addition, this plan is very risky and will cost billions of human lives on Earth, even if it succeeds. Remember that Anderson's still  on Earth leading resistance.

Still, you do make the point that some people could still adopt Cerberus' goal, so there is probably more to it than that even if I'm going in the right direction here.

Uhh... that is BS, both of you.

If the plan were that risky TIM wouldn't take it. Even if it is that risky, why can't I go along with it?

Shepard isn't "no longer of use". Shepard is of use so long as he's a live. TIM trying to have him killed makes zero sense and each time you try to defend it you sound like a desperate fanboy. You don't kill someone once they are no longer of use, especially not an investment like Shepard.

Shepard is useful as long as he is not an enemy of Cerberus and he only becomes an enemy when Cerberus tries to kill him.

We don't know why you can't go along with it,probably why they will explain in ME3....

[shep82]

Thompson family wrote...

Celestina wrote...
When I headbutted a Krogan. Without a helmet.

Same thing, no helmet -- with a FemShep.

Electrocuting the gunship mechanic.

Sniper shooting the mech in the Garrus recruitment mission.

EDITED P.S.

As a Femshep, I enjoy her renegade responses to leering sexist comments. Especially in ME1, when she tells Harkin: "Another comment like that and you'll be picking your teeth up off the floor."

I love that part. Anyway some of the renegade options may not be realistic but they are still fun IMO.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If the plan were that risky TIM wouldn't take it.

A 1-in-100 chance of human dominance versus zero chance of human dominance, whoever wins. Can't agree with that, SD.

Even if it is that risky, why can't I go along with it?

As I said, and as you very conveniently left out of your quote of me as you presented your counterargument:

Still, you do make the point that some people could still adopt Cerberus' goal, so there is probably more to it than that even if I'm going in the right direction here.

Modifié par Thompson family, 26 août 2011 - 10:14 .

[shep82]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

H_T's right. In addition, this plan is very risky and will cost billions of human lives on Earth, even if it succeeds. Remember that Anderson's still  on Earth leading resistance.

Still, you do make the point that some people could still adopt Cerberus' goal, so there is probably more to it than that even if I'm going in the right direction here.

Uhh... that is BS, both of you.

If the plan were that risky TIM wouldn't take it. Even if it is that risky, why can't I go along with it?

Shepard isn't "no longer of use". Shepard is of use so long as he's a live. TIM trying to have him killed makes zero sense and each time you try to defend it you sound like a desperate fanboy. You don't kill someone once they are no longer of use, especially not an investment like Shepard.

Shepard is useful as long as he is not an enemy of Cerberus and he only becomes an enemy when Cerberus tries to kill him.

Not in the Reapers mind and TIM is Indoctrinated in ME3.

[lovgreno]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


Good point about the Batarians... but Shepard did turn his back on TIM... and destroying one of their percieved only hopes at defeating the Reapers would easily be grounds for retaliation.  Especailly considering that Shepard stole EDI, the Normandy, and her crew too (returning to the Alliance/Council/enemies of Cerberus, etc.)

TIM's never put revenge or personal disputes before buisness, though. It's a trait during ME2 (Zaeed, Jack, even Shepard), and it's carried over in the other books. Even in Retribution, the bona fide TIM revenge story, he goes after someone he doesn't have future use for (other than as an experiment)... and after Anderson turns Grayson loose and delivers a major blow to Cerberus, TIM's thoughts are towards future cooperation with Anderson against the Reapers.

TIM siding with the Reapers to get back at Shepard defies two of TIM's longest traits: future pragmaticism over personal revenge, and prioritizing the Reapers.

I would like to see TIMmy as a very practical and intelligent person too but he is still just a human and humans makes misstakes, sometimes fatal ones. Perhaps his pride finaly got the better of him. Reapers are manipulative bastards even without the use of indoctrination. I guess we will know for sure in ME3, but it is rather clear to me that he was never intended to be one of the heroes.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Please explain why he would still be on Cerberus payroll. I'm a moron and I need this spelled out to me for some reason.

Let me break it down for you into terms you can understand. I'm going to try anyway. I'm not a kindergarten teacher, so bear with me here.


Shepard robbed Zaeed of his chance at revenge. Cerberus pays Zaeed a lot of money to work for them. They did this in ME2, they can do it again in ME3. Zaeed now wants revenge against Shepard as well as Vido, so he accepts their offer.

Well professor,certainly you can tell the difference between starting a new contract,and still being bound by a previous one. But of course unless I throw in words like we should surrender and all hope is lost,this will whizz by you.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 26 août 2011 - 10:20 .

[Yezdigerd]

One of my favourite renegade sillies is the murder of Fist in front of witnesses and this is even before Shep becomes a spectre and casually start executing people in the citadel market.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No, that's bull****. TIM won't risk sacrificing the entire human race to achieve dominance. He wants survival first.

If he doesn't want dominance, why won't he let Shep rally the aliens?

If he's got a plan let me hear it. It's certainly more efficient than having to devote resources to killing me at every turn.

Saphra Deden, I wish I knew. That's the big question we're all trying to answer. What does TIM want to do that even a Cerberus loyalist Shep wouldn't go along with? Isn't that the key to the whole puzzle?

[shep82]

Yezdigerd wrote...

One of my favourite renegade sillies is the murder of Fist in front of witnesses and this is even before Shep becomes a spectre and casually start executing people in the citadel market.

Wait a minute how do you do that? AFAIK you can only kill him in his room.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden, you're better qualified to answer this question than anyone else: What does TIM want to do that even a Cerberus loyalist Shep wouldn't agree to?

Anything?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Well professor,certainly you can tell the difference between starting a new contract,and still being bound by a previous one. But of course unless I throw in words like we should surrender and all hope is lost,this will whizz by you.

You need to go back to ****ing school.

Zaeed was on Cerberus' payroll in ME2. When I say he can "still be on their payroll in ME3" or back on it, or whatever, that means they can pay him for a job again. This is not a complex thought. If you can't decipher my meaning you need to lay off the video games and spend more time paying attention in class.

There is a difference
pay him for a job again is not the same thing as still being on the payroll,but your'e too busy making white flags and being immature to tell the difference.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That should only happen if you didn't charm Zaeed at the end.

No, it should happen if you let Vido escape, period. All your charm did was convince Zaeed to set aside his anger for the sake of the mission.  The very same mission he was being paid a lot of money to do. Your bonus for charming him is his loyalty power and his increased "hold the line" score.

You still sabotaged his revenge though, and now he wants even more revenge.

God forbid the oppurtunity presents itself again in ME3 and  Zaeed confronts you and tells you,you owe him, so you go and deal with it once and for all.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Unless [TIM] has decided he wants to join the Reapers I can't think of anything [that a loyal Cerberus Shepard would rebel at.] However I find it unlikely TIM would ever want that. He seems to value human culture too much and he'd lose all of that as part of a Reaper.

Sleep on it. If you do think of something, let us know. I believe it's the key question. There not be a good answer. If there is, though, it would be a marvel to behold.

[Wulfram]

I think Zaeed would have enough sense to realise that going up against Shepard isn't good business. Cerberus would have to pay him a lot, and they probably payed him enough to retire on last time around.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
He's not as enlightened as I am.

If everyone was as enlightened as you the Earth would still be flat,and the sun would still revolve around it.