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[shiftylookingspacecow]

Sorry, can't quote on an iPod. Somebody said that we know TIM is indoctrinated in ME3, but we don't know that, and personally, I don't think that he is.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Wulfram wrote...

I think Zaeed would have enough sense to realise that going up against Shepard isn't good business. Cerberus would have to pay him a lot, and they probably payed him enough to retire on last time around.

Zaeed isn't stupid, he knows what Shepard is capable of, if Shep can kill a reaper, be brought back from death,kill all of the collectors and kill hundreds of mercs in-between, I'm sure he realizes it would be "guddam suicide".

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

A good answer would be one that requires depth, and I've heard of a few, but I don't Bioware is going with that.

Then give us some insight into how TIM thinks and share.

[shiftylookingspacecow]

Lots of pent up paragon hate, saphra?

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Then give us some insight into how TIM thinks and share.

What insight could I possibly provide that hasn't been provided by the games, novels, or comics?

Go read one of the many threads about TIM if you want "insight" into his character.

You're bluffing and huffing, SD.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Thompson family wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

A good answer would be one that requires depth, and I've heard of a few, but I don't Bioware is going with that.

Then give us some insight into how TIM thinks and share.

Saphra isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is,or would like you to believe.

The only reason BW can't come up with a good reason is because saphra can't or wont accept any reason to why TIM could possibly want Shepard dead, sooner or later BW will slip something they think is insignificant,and one of us will crack the secret,or eventually someone will think of something for the renegades...well maybe not for the zealots...

[shiftylookingspacecow]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

You're bluffing and huffing, SD.

Uh okay. I provided an explanation for why he wouldn't join with the Reapers. Why don't you provide an explanation as for why he'd embark on some silly plan to help the Reapers and make humans dominant at the same time?

"Wait and see" isn't answer.

What's he trying to do? If he is willing to side with the Reapers as part of some grand scheme to make humans stronger why wasn't he willing to work with the Collectors?

Maybe he didn't think it was an option untill he saw the human reaper?

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

You're bluffing and huffing, SD.

Uh okay. I provided an explanation for why he wouldn't join with the Reapers. Why don't you provide an explanation as for why he'd embark on some silly plan to help the Reapers and make humans dominant at the same time?

"Wait and see" isn't answer.

What's he trying to do? If he is willing to side with the Reapers as part of some grand scheme to make humans stronger why wasn't he willing to work with the Collectors?

Now you're just ducking. I gave my theory. That's what started this whole exchange.

[Thompson family]

I'm going to dinner. Be back in a couple of hours.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Now you're just ducking. I gave my theory. That's what started this whole exchange.

Yes, and your theory sucks. So come up with a new one and get back to me.

You said you've heard of a couple of theories but they're too deep for BioWare. I asked you what they were. You told me to come up with a theory. You claime you already have or have heard of two. Why should I come up with a new one?

Want me to go back in the thread and quote your post?

Show your cards or admit the bluff. I'm seeing your raise and calling.

Modifié par Thompson family, 26 août 2011 - 10:49 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Saphra isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is,or would like you to believe.

The only reason BW can't come up with a good reason is because saphra can't or wont accept any reason to why TIM could possibly want Shepard dead, sooner or later BW will slip something they think is insignificant,and one of us will crack the secret,or eventually someone will think of something for the renegades...well maybe not for the zealots...

Or maybe it's because Biowares writing is becoming crappier and crapier.

I agree wiht Saphra on this one - I really can't see any reason that won't paint TIM completley out of character or make him Saren 2.0 - and both are horrible decisions.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...



Or maybe it's because Biowares writing is becoming crappier and crapier.

 I really can't see any reason that won't paint TIM completley out of character or make him Saren 2.0 - and both are horrible decisions.

You may be right, but I'll reserve judgement until I see what happens, indoctrination would be a poor choice though.

Also , allow me to inject some speculation



This may be Sidonis repaying his debt.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 26 août 2011 - 11:12 .

[shiftylookingspacecow]

Saphra Deden wrote...

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

Maybe he didn't think it was an option untill he saw the human reaper?

Why would that change anything?

Hell, Cerberus had plenty of reason to want to help the Collectors. In return for helping them they'd have recieved lots of advanced technology. That's the main reason people do business with them. As a Collector/Reaper proxy Cerberus would have had some amazing tech that they could use to increase human influence in the mean-time.

So, why didn't Cerberus help the Collectors?

To avoid making the same mistake Saren did, Saren thought that the Reapers would spare the Turians if they complied, trying to appeal to a sense of fair play. As far as we know, Sovereign never indicated the Reapers were interested in the Turians in that way. After the human reaper was discovered, it was obvious that the reapers were interested in humanity. Sure the Illusive Man would love to save humanity's culture, but if that wasnt possible, surely he'd settle for ascendance.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

To avoid making the same mistake Saren did,

...and then they joined the Reapers anyway.

Right.

Way to not read.

[shiftylookingspacecow]

Saphra Deden wrote...

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

To avoid making the same mistake Saren did,

...and then they joined the Reapers anyway.

Right.

sorry, i dont think i clarified properly. When i said "the same mistake Saren did" i meant joining up with the reapers without knowing their intentions. Saren was under the impression that organics would be permitted to live if they submitted to the reaper's will. The Illusive Man knows the reapers are interested in uplifiting humans, he may realize, as you have, that the reapers cannot be stopped, and that the only way hummanity can survive is to become a reaper.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TIM promises to help the Reapers by killing Shepard and in return the Reapers slow down their harvesting of Earth. Thus TIM's plan is to buy Shepard time and send token forces after him that he believes will fail (after all, he knows Shepard's capabilities well).

However I have two problems with this:

1.) Cerberus is seen actively protecting Reaper assets and trying to sabotage Shepard's missions.

2.) If the Reapers could buy off Cerberus this way why can't they buy off the Alliance? You'd think with all those politicians trapped on Earth, their fleet in tatters, their homes under siege, that they'd be the ones to collaborate with the Reapers if only to delay their own trip to the gas chamber (or slushy machine, in this case).

Agreed. The Cerberus troops are going at it too hard for this to be a ploy.