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[KevShep]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Seriously, there aren't many military commanders in the history of history that act like 100% renegade Shepard. Else they'd get mutinied/betrayed/completely backstabbed by their squad.

Haha.......some have been betrayed for far less. It might be safer to lean more to the paragon side in this case.

Modifié par KevShep, 24 août 2011 - 04:33 .

[Thompson family]

Dave of Canada wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

See: Depot Sigma 23,

Failure with minor success.
Cerberus learns, which they'd have no way of knowing otherwise, that the Rachni are not mindless animals.

At the cost of rendering the host planet uninhabitable for anthing but crazed Rachni. Good thing it's a big galaxy.

Overlord

Successful with minor failure. [Renegade]

Cerberus is capable of hacking and holding control of the Geth ...

... something nobody else in the Galaxy has proven capable of doing, at the
cost of a handful of scientists.

For what, a few days before the fragile mind of the necessary and unique human component of their control device suffered a complete mental collapse?

I played Overlord after the Suicide mission for the simple and obvious reason that the DLC wasn't released until long after I'd beaten the game. By then, my Shep had talked to Legion all the way to the conclusion of the their dialouge options. In fact, I brought Legion with my Shep in Overlord (and suffered the bug that led to crashes thereby, to my considerable frustration.)

So, it was a failure to stop a hacking attempt that would ruin the possible peace with the Geth.

Don't think so.

As for Subject Zero, the dossier on the Shadow Broker base it says that her biotic potential was off the charts before Cerberus got its hands on her. Also, she's been on the run for years. If the project was successful, where are the fruits of those experiment -- very powerful biotics loyal to Cerberus? Don't tell me the Ascension Project, which doesn't use any of the techniques cited, is their success. Their success would have produced powerful biotics for Cerberus. If it has, we've seen no evidence of it yet.

Even if the project did enhance Jack's abilities, the result was an completely undisciplined, angry subject useless for any purposeful plan and who absolutely hates Cerberus.

Modifié par Thompson family, 24 août 2011 - 04:37 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It would be more productive to ask which Renegade choices aren't realistic/logical/practical than to ask which ones are. Most Renegade choices are far superior in their reasoning than any of their Paragon counterparts.

Paragon choices are based on three things: blind trust, hope, and arrogance.

Ah, I was wondering when you'd show up here. And I couldn't agree more.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 24 août 2011 - 04:49 .

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It would be more productive to ask which Renegade choices aren't realistic/logical/practical than to ask which ones are.

Feel free to start a thread posing the question that way, Saphra Deden. I don't think it will make any difference, but I could be wrong.

Paragon choices are based on three things: blind trust, hope, and arrogance.

So?

Modifié par Thompson family, 24 août 2011 - 04:51 .

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It would be more productive to ask which Renegade choices aren't realistic/logical/practical than to ask which ones are. Most Renegade choices are far superior in their reasoning than any of their Paragon counterparts.

Paragon choices are based on three things: blind trust, hope, and arrogance.

Yes, because it is completely logical to punch a reporter in the face, especially when said reporter is recording your every action.

And everyone is just ready and willing to jump up and be your ally because calling people "stupid" to their faces is the most reasonable way to get allies (<Thought that was a given).

And there is nothing arrogant at all at assuming that Humans are the best most capable species in the galaxy, and telling every random alien you meet that you think so.

[Davie McG]

KevShep wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Seriously, there aren't many military commanders in the history of history that act like 100% renegade Shepard. Else they'd get mutinied/betrayed/completely backstabbed by their squad.

Haha.......some have been betrayed for far less. It might be safer to lean more to the paragon side in this case.

I can think of exactly one: Vlad III.

Other wise known as Vlad the impaler. He was renegade given form.

He won independence from the Ottoman empire, a few months later they sent diplomats to Vlad III, they greeted him by bowing, but not removing their hats (as one would do with an emperor or king). He told the diplomats (I'm going to paraphrase here since I'm on my phone and can't look up the correct quote) "If your so fond of your hats then forever wear them" and then proceeded to nail the diplomats hats onto their head with a big old rusty nail.

And that was just for not greeting him properly.

[Boiny Bunny]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It would be more productive to ask which Renegade choices aren't realistic/logical/practical than to ask which ones are. Most Renegade choices are far superior in their reasoning than any of their Paragon counterparts.

Paragon choices are based on three things: blind trust, hope, and arrogance.

Yes, because it is completely logical to punch a reporter in the face, especially when said reporter is recording your every action.

And everyone is just ready and willing to jump up and be your ally because calling people "stupid" to their faces is the most reasonable way to get allies (<Thought that was a given).

And there is nothing arrogant at all at assuming that Humans are the best most capable species in the galaxy, and telling every random alien you meet that you think so.

I'm not 100% certain about ME2, but in ME1, punching the reporter is NOT a renegade option.  It is one of the neutral options you can use to end the interview before she is finished.  The only paragon/renegade options in the conversation are to either plug alien races and humans working together, or to boldly announce that humans don't need help from aliens at all and should stand on their own.

[Thompson family]

I'm about to go to bed and be stuck out-of-town for work tomorrow. I'll be interested to see what happens when I check back in.

[SpaceinMind]

Neither morality is superior to the other. I try to balance it because both have some logical and illogical choices.
Sometimes you have to do things to get ahead in the mission, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't also appreciate your allies and try to build diplomatic ties.
But everyone has their own idea on what's right and wrong. 

Modifié par SpaceinMind, 24 août 2011 - 04:55 .

[Sisterofshane]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It would be more productive to ask which Renegade choices aren't realistic/logical/practical than to ask which ones are. Most Renegade choices are far superior in their reasoning than any of their Paragon counterparts.

Paragon choices are based on three things: blind trust, hope, and arrogance.

Yes, because it is completely logical to punch a reporter in the face, especially when said reporter is recording your every action.

And everyone is just ready and willing to jump up and be your ally because calling people "stupid" to their faces is the most reasonable way to get allies (<Thought that was a given).

And there is nothing arrogant at all at assuming that Humans are the best most capable species in the galaxy, and telling every random alien you meet that you think so.

I'm not 100% certain about ME2, but in ME1, punching the reporter is NOT a renegade option.  It is one of the neutral options you can use to end the interview before she is finished.  The only paragon/renegade options in the conversation are to either plug alien races and humans working together, or to boldly announce that humans don't need help from aliens at all and should stand on their own.

Yeah, I was specifically referencing ME2, where it is an actual renegade interrupt.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
choices are based on three things: blind trust, hope, and arrogance.

...The same could be said of many renegade choices.


But of course your rebuttal will inevitably be

"Blah blah blah..logic,blah blah blah reasoning,blah blah blah probability,blah blah blah I'm the greatest."

And then you will insult me...try to anyway.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 24 août 2011 - 05:02 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

It actually doesn't really matter what the "chioice" or action is... if you go blue, you know you're going to get a nice sparkly ending and the most content... the best possible (assuming the trend continues). Sure does take the guesswork out of things doesn't it?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 août 2011 - 05:06 .

[Alock1a]

The Mass Effect games have always very rarely rewarded those who make renegade decisions.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Yes, because it is completely logical to punch a reporter in the face, especially when said reporter is recording your every action.

I didn't say all choices were that way, I said most.

Punching the reporter is one that I think is unnecessarily violent and crude.

I wouldn't necessarily think that renegades behave illogically, except for the fact that most of the decisions that are renegade are based upon emotion (within the game).
The renegade option for the end of ME is "Let the council Die" -- there is no rational logic behind choosing that specific option, when the neutrai option of "Concentrate on Sovereign" is already present.  This is just one specific example, but I think there are many where the the renegade option is more based upon being a jack-a** as opposed to being logical, even if (while meta-gaming) there may be a logical reason behind that choice.

Sisterofshane wrote...

And there is nothing arrogant at all at assuming that Humans are the best most capable species in the galaxy, and telling every random alien you meet that you think so.

Well humans have certainly proven themselves, haven't they? While the other races sit there with their thumbs up their ass humanity gets things done.

And I don't think Humanity has proven anything.  Shepard and his/her team of aliens have been the only ones in the galaxy to ever get anything done.  I don't give Humanity sole credit for anything they have accomplished, except for maybe colonizing the Traverse (and, based on what happened to Eden Prime, and the collection of colonies in ME2, we can all see exactly how well they've handled that on their own.)

And walking around being smug about one's accompliments is the very definition of arrogance -- you can't say that Paragons are any more or less arrogant then Renegades in this case.

[Zu Long]

To answer the topic creator, I can think of 8 realistic renegade options/interrupts.

1. Blow away Kenson in Arrival.
2. Kill the Gunship repairman.
3. Blow away the mercs in Miranda's mission.
4. Headbutt the Krogan.
5. Blow up Weyrloc Speaker.
6. Headshot the Mech.
7. Call out the Eclipse Sister.
8. Intimidating the criminal with your Spectre status.

The rest are based on carelessness, cruelty, and paranoia.

Modifié par Zu Long, 24 août 2011 - 05:11 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragades are just wannabe Renegades who don't have the stomach to get the job done. 

Paragades are Paragons until you tick them off.  They have a dark side.

Renegons are Renegades until you touch their heart.  They have a soft side.

[Ultai]

Zu Long wrote...

14. Betraying your friend's wishes is realistic?

"My father is a war criminal, don't tell anyone or I'll hate you forever!"

Well hon, I guess you're going to hate me forever.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Alock1a wrote...

The Mass Effect games have always very rarely rewarded those who make renegade decisions.

Story-wise, they have not.

[Zu Long]

Ultai wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

14. Betraying your friend's wishes is realistic?

"My father is a war criminal, don't tell anyone or I'll hate you forever!"

Well hon, I guess you're going to hate me forever.

Which war crimes, specifically, are you refering to?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

It's a unique human ship if you completely ignore the turian involvement.