Thompson family wrote...
Zarathiel wrote...
A ladar scan is not the same thing as data mining the place. Lotion even pointed this out in his post, and you flat-out ignored it.
Quite so, because we learn that EDI also got Reaper plans. You dismiss these as snapshots. See below.
More than that, we know data mining took place. TIM says so.
The Man himself tells Shep that he was "looking at the schematics EDI uploaded to me" when he first proposes saving the base.
You dismiss this by saying:
Even people who kept the base never got a chance to data mine it.
As TIM says, that's not true. He doesn't say the "scans" show him anything. He says schematics.
I don't recall Shep picking up a data pad of Reaper plans, either. But there it is.
The datapad just shows a Reaper from various angles.
I think we can put some confidence in the notion that Shep knows what a Reaper looks like. If what you say is true, the datapad wouldn't even be worth looking at.
There's no indication that it has the schematics [emphasis added] for a fully formed Reaper. Likely, it has a list of information based on the reaper larva, the derelict reaper, and Sovereign.
The claim that it's "likely" information on two dead Reapers and one that's a "fetus" is remarkable.
That's quite an assumption, especially in light of what TIM said. Tell you what: Let's return to this thread in March after we learn who's right.
EDI produced a very detailed layout of the Collector base. The layout is so detailed that it essentially acts as blueprints "or schematics" of the base. She got that information from her ladar scans.
See this video. Notice Shepard doesn't say "Bring up the data you mined from the Collector Base." He says "Bring up your scans" And we get schematics for the base.
But having the blueprints to a base does not mean you have the blueprints for what the base was building. The fact is EDI never datamined the place. If she did, she would have known about the Reaper Larva before we floated up to it. If her ladar scans had been a datamine, as you insist they were, she would have known what the Collectors were doing with the colonists during the briefing on the Normandy. Furthermore, TIM's dialogue when choosing whether to keep or destroy the base
indicates that he does not have data from the base. He uses words like
knowledge and information, as well as machinery and technology, when he argues to keep it. That indicates he has neither.
My "remarkable" claim about the datapad isn't really all that remarkable compared to yours. It's more reasonable to assume the datapad shows statistics based on previously encountered Reapers rather than to assume EDI datamined the place when the game never shows that taking place and gives a very strong impression that it didn't happen off-screen. Your whole argument is based on the assumption that EDI datamined the place. Your only proof is that TIM said
semantics (Freudian slip) schematics instead of scans in one scene. I've already shown how her advanced scans amounted to a blueprint of the place and can be reasonably called "schematics". You have zero proof that she datamined it.
And you keep saying that the Collector Base is only a drydock. That's patently false as well. It's primary function was to build a reaper, yes, but it had a secondary and related function as a research station to test for the viability of different species to be "ascended". You call the Collectors mere drones, but they are drones with a specific function. A function which requires them to perform experiments and record the results, as we've seen in the Collector Base. Information on husks (likely not just humans since the Collectors have been studying other species for centuries), as well as the stages of progression of indoctrination. That's in addition to schematics on the construction process of Reapers.
To wrap up, I don't need to wait until March. I already know I'm right about this.
Modifié par Zarathiel, 30 août 2011 - 05:29 .
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