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When was the RENEGADE choice ever the realistic one?


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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

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The missiles were launched prior to you getting there,hence the distress signal and countdown timer...

Also wtf is telsa,do you mean teltin?


Teltin, yeah (fixed).  Also they did prevent one missle from launching, but they couldn't stop the other.

No,no,no,no,no,no...they prevented one from striking its target,both were launched BEFORE you got there,that is why you recieved the distress signal.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 24 août 2011 - 06:36 .


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TheOptimist wrote...

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I take it for granted that you never did that Cerberus side mission to stop a missle launch?

Uh, you mean this mission:
http://masseffect.wi...ssiles_Launched ?

That's not a Cerberus Mission.  That's something Commander Shepard decided to stop and do since he/she was in the neighborhood. Image IPB


That's not what someone would say considering the choice of where the missle launched rests with someone who's working (even temporarily) as part of Cerberus.


Not entirely sure what you're getting at.  Shepard's a ridiculous badass and gets credit for managing to stop even one of the missiles.  The missiles would have taken out both targets had you not stopped them.  I suppose Shepard could be seen as single handedly making up for Cerberus' well earned terrible reputation, but since my armor and those of my companions did not bear Cerberus logos (Garrus and Mordin or Samara, typically), I'm not sure how much credence people will give to the fact that I was working with Cerberus at the time.


Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The missiles were launched prior to you getting there,hence the distress signal and countdown timer...

Also wtf is telsa,do you mean teltin?


Teltin, yeah (fixed).  Also they did prevent one missle from launching, but they couldn't stop the other.

No,no,no,no,no,no...they prevented one from striking its target,both were launched BEFORE you got there,that is why you recieved the distress signal.


Technically a killswitch for the missle, but you get the idea.  Also technically missles were still moving around when you got there (and the timer was going)... hard to say how far those missles got.... they just had an impact time once it entered a certain sequence.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 août 2011 - 06:44 .


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This also sounds like a reasonable explanation, since it also explains why Cerberus fails so much.


Cerberus doesn't fail much. Even if the body count is high they invariably churn a success out of it.


In any case I blame the designers. Cerberus is given a logo and colors to make them easier for the brain-dead average gamer to be able to identify them.

Same reason the other three main factions in the game all have color-coded armor.





Cerberus fails f*cking much. Cerberus fails so much that "cerberus" has become a synonym of "fail". If you look op "fail" in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of Cerberus.


No but seriously, Cerberus does fail kinda bad. Their only real acomplishment so far has been resurrecting Shepard and even that almost failed in the last minute.

- Thresher Maw experiments: FAIL!
- ME1 experiments: FAIL!
- Subject Zero project: FAIL!
- Project Overlord: FAIL!
- Delerict reaper research: FAIL!
- Assault on the Migrant Fleet: FAIL!
- Paul Grayson experiments: FAIL!

Yep, Cerberus is epic fail.

Modifié par Luc0s, 24 août 2011 - 06:41 .


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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The missiles were launched prior to you getting there,hence the distress signal and countdown timer...

Also wtf is telsa,do you mean teltin?


Teltin, yeah (fixed).  Also they did prevent one missle from launching, but they couldn't stop the other.

No,no,no,no,no,no...they prevented one from striking its target,both were launched BEFORE you got there,that is why you recieved the distress signal.


Technically a killswitch for the missle, but you get the idea.

I completely understand the premise of that mission,you're the one saying Shepard launched missiles.

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The missiles were launched prior to you getting there,hence the distress signal and countdown timer...

Also wtf is telsa,do you mean teltin?


Teltin, yeah (fixed).  Also they did prevent one missle from launching, but they couldn't stop the other and had to pick where it would land.

The outside world wouln't be aware of those circumstances.

Uh, the outside world is very aware of them.  To start with, they know you didn't launch the missiles.
Bolded emphasis mine:


“Scans detect an Alliance colony defended by a Javelin Mk. II missile base. A distress signal indicates that the base is compromised by batarians who have launched two missiles at the Alliance colony. Total destruction of the colony is imminent. Zero probability of survivors if missiles strike.
Find the control panel in the Javelin Mk. II missile base. Time of impact calculated: landing party will have 5 minutes to deactivate the missiles after shuttle touchdown.”

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?


The batarians who launched the missile in the first place?

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Its not about being realistic its about doing whatever the f**k you want! I remember when i was playing ME2 the first time and my GF had just come over and i was doing the suicide mission and she watched me finish it and after all she wanted to do was try the game her self but she was always worried she would make the wrong choice. Well just like i told her ill tell all of you their are no wrong choices.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The missiles were launched prior to you getting there,hence the distress signal and countdown timer...

Also wtf is telsa,do you mean teltin?


Teltin, yeah (fixed).  Also they did prevent one missle from launching, but they couldn't stop the other.

No,no,no,no,no,no...they prevented one from striking its target,both were launched BEFORE you got there,that is why you recieved the distress signal.


Technically a killswitch for the missle, but you get the idea.

I completely understand the premise of that mission,you're the one saying Shepard launched missiles.


He chose where the missle was launched to.  If people died at that point, it was either Shepard's or Cerberus's fault.

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Luc0s wrote...

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This also sounds like a reasonable explanation, since it also explains why Cerberus fails so much.


Cerberus doesn't fail much. Even if the body count is high they invariably churn a success out of it.


In any case I blame the designers. Cerberus is given a logo and colors to make them easier for the brain-dead average gamer to be able to identify them.

Same reason the other three main factions in the game all have color-coded armor.





Cerberus fails f*cking much. Cerberus fails so much that "cerberus" has become a synonym of "fail". If you look op "fail" in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of Cerberus.


No but seriously, Cerberus does fail kinda bad. Their only real acomplishment so far has been resurrecting Shepard and even that almost failed in the last minute.

- Thresher Maw experiments: FAIL!
- ME1 experiments: FAIL!
- Subject Zero project: FAIL!
- Project Overlord: FAIL!
- Delerict reaper research: FAIL!
- Assault on the Migrant Fleet: FAIL!
- Paul Grayson experiments: FAIL!

Yep, Cerberus is epic fail.


Reaper IFF was recovered but at the cost of the recovery team team but yeah I agree with you, they are no good at about 90% of R&D projects, But Cerberus is still rather sucessful, near limitless resources, political influences and a large infomation network

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TheOptimist wrote...

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Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?


The batarians who launched the missile in the first place?


Shepard chose whether innocent people died from that or not.


TheOptimist wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The missiles were launched prior to you getting there,hence the distress signal and countdown timer...

Also wtf is telsa,do you mean teltin?


Teltin, yeah (fixed).  Also they did prevent one missle from launching, but they couldn't stop the other and had to pick where it would land.

The outside world wouln't be aware of those circumstances.

Uh, the outside world is very aware of them.  To start with, they know you didn't launch the missiles.
Bolded emphasis mine:


“Scans detect an Alliance colony defended by a Javelin Mk. II missile base. A distress signal indicates that the base is compromised by batarians who have launched two missiles at the Alliance colony. Total destruction of the colony is imminent. Zero probability of survivors if missiles strike.
Find the control panel in the Javelin Mk. II missile base. Time of impact calculated: landing party will have 5 minutes to deactivate the missiles after shuttle touchdown.”


That's the intel you have... post event intel would/could include Cerberus involvement.

Also again, the missles (assuming they were the ones) were still there and slowly moving when Shepard arrived and fought on that station.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 août 2011 - 06:51 .


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Cerberus fails f*cking much. Cerberus fails so much that "cerberus" has become a synonym of "fail". If you look op "fail" in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of Cerberus.


No but seriously, Cerberus does fail kinda bad. Their only real acomplishment so far has been resurrecting Shepard and even that almost failed in the last minute.

- Thresher Maw experiments: FAIL!
- ME1 experiments: FAIL!
- Subject Zero project: FAIL!
- Project Overlord: FAIL!
- Delerict reaper research: FAIL!
- Assault on the Migrant Fleet: FAIL!
- Paul Grayson experiments: FAIL!

Yep, Cerberus is epic fail.


Reaper IFF was recovered but at the cost of the recovery team team but yeah I agree with you, they are no good at about 90% of R&D projects, But Cerberus is still rather sucessful, near limitless resources, political influences and a large infomation network


Yes, SHEPARD recovered the Reaper IFF.

Shepard was the only good thing ever to happen to Cerberus. Without Shep, Cerberus would still be epic fail. Shep is their only succes.

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Cerberus fails f*cking much.


I was hoping you'd take the bait so I could school your ass.


- Thresher Maw experiments: FAIL!

How do you know? You don't even know what they were studying. You can't say either way on this one because you don't know what they were doing.

- ME1 experiments: FAIL!

The rachni were a failure, yes. The others though were going just fine until Shepard kicked in the door.

- Subject Zero project: FAIL!

SUCCESS! The goal was to use pain to break down barriers and create a more powerful human biotic. It worked when it gave us Jack. Cerberus then put her to work on a Suicide Mission!

- Project Overlord: FAIL!

SUCCESS! The goal was to use control the geth and control the geth they did. The debacle with David was a hiccup, but one that can be corrected.

- Delerict reaper research: FAIL!

SUCCESS! The goal was to locate the Reaper's IFF and the team did just that. They had to do it quickly too (no small feat) for it to be available in time for Shepard to pick it up.

- Assault on the Migrant Fleet: FAIL!

Can't win them all. The Illusive Man needs to learn to read people better. If Grayson hadn't let his emotions get the better of him the mission would have been a total success.

- Paul Gillian Grayson experiments: FAIL!

SUCCESS! The goal was to create a more powerful biotic by administering drugs to the subject. That worked beautifully as we saw Gillian display amazing biotic power for her age.

Let us bring up some other successes, shall we?

- Recovery of Shepard's body: SUCCESS!

- Lazarus Project (ressurrection of Shepard) - SUCCESS!

- Conquest of Trident: SUCCESS[!

- Assassination of Alliance chairman: SUCCESS!

- Asssassination of former Terra Firma party leader: SUCCESS!

- Assassination of troublesome Pope: SUCCESS!

- Stonewalling and capture of Admiral Kahoku: SUCCESS!

- Horizon operation to trick the Collectors: SUCCESS!

- Collector ship raid: SUCCESS!

- Elimination of Shadow Broker: SUCCESS!

- Project TRAPDOOR: SUCCESS!

- Saving the Citadel from batarian terrorists: SUCCESS!

- Recovery of stolen data from turian raid as well as reprisal: SUCCESS!

- Elimination of Reaper-Paul Grayson: SUCCESS!


Not quite so fail prone as you thought.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 24 août 2011 - 06:56 .


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TheOptimist wrote...

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TheOptimist, When you're the janitor, all you're going to see is the trash.

To say Cerberus is nothing but failure is not realistic to the universe they're in. Cerberus has many things and have done many things... things that had to have come from successes.

Plus, I still feel that the nature of some Cerberus operations make it unfair to blame Cerberus themselves for the failure.

I should probably qualify my last comment, Cerberus' research and development operation has been one long string of failure with the exception of Lazarus.  Their intelligence network is clearly unbelievably good and they obviously have a staggering amount of resources.  Their recruitment operation is top notch, as they clearly get some very effective people to work for them.  They also, to be fair, developed EDI, who is one of only two sane AI Shepard has met. 

However, giving them the Collector base after everything Shepard has run into cannot possibly be qualified as the 'logical' or rational decision, given what Shepard has seen of their research people.  With their history, my Shepard would set long odds that anyone Cerberus assigns to that Station comes to a bad end for little gain.


Wrong. It's the most logical decision in the entire game.
Destroying the base is the stupidest decision in both games.

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?

Wtf are you talking about, t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s w-e-r-e a-l-r-e-a-d-y l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d
b-a-t-a-r-i-a-n-s l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s.

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Here are some more I forgot to mention.

- Creation of Normandy and knowledge of turian design practices: SUCCESS!

- Creation of Normandy SR2: SUCCESS!

(replicating one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy is no small feat)

- Arc Projector development: SUCCESS!

- Geth plasma shotgun: SUCCESS!

- Takeover of banks on Terra Nova: SUCCESS!

- Takeover of media organizations: SUCCESS!

- Acquiring of technology to provide operatives with passports in Citadel space: SUCCESS!

- Infiltration of Systems Alliance on every level: SUCCESS!

- Project Firewalker: SUCCESS!

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Wrong. It's the most logical decision in the entire game.
Destroying the base is the stupidest decision in both games.

I'm gonna make this short.

Cerberus' track record with R&D cannot be ignored,and the decision is whether or not you want to hold Cerberus' hand in ME3, most people don't want to have to keep checking in on Lex and his goonies to make sure something apocalyptic doesn't happen,blowing the base up is just as logical as keeping it.


But this will obviously soar over your head,because it makes sense.

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Blowing up the base a is an irrational, stupid, self-destructive, fearful course of action. It is not logical. As I've just demonstrated Cerberus' track record is fine. You need to study Reaper tech.

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Blowing up the base a is an irrational, stupid, self-destructive, fearful course of action. It is not logical. As I've just demonstrated Cerberus' track record is fine. You need to study Reaper tech.

And most of the things you showed hinged on Shepards timely arrival or intervention.


Once again, most people don't want to baby-sit.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Blowing up the base a is an irrational, stupid, self-destructive, fearful course of action. It is not logical. As I've just demonstrated Cerberus' track record is fine. You need to study Reaper tech.


Even the devs think so by making it canon that Cerberus gets the base' tech regardless of the decision.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?

Wtf are you talking about, t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s w-e-r-e a-l-r-e-a-d-y l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d
b-a-t-a-r-i-a-n-s l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s.


Then what's the red arrow pointing to?

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?

Wtf are you talking about, t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s w-e-r-e a-l-r-e-a-d-y l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d
b-a-t-a-r-i-a-n-s l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s.


Then what's the red arrow pointing to?

Ugh...dude,are you trolling,no one can be this clueless.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Where the missle launched was Shepard's decision (who at the time worked with Cerberus).  As part of that decision, Shepard could've wiped out an entire population (innocent people).  So who's to blame, Shepard or Cerberus?

Wtf are you talking about, t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s w-e-r-e a-l-r-e-a-d-y l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d
b-a-t-a-r-i-a-n-s l-a-u-n-c-h-e-d t-h-e m-i-s-s-i-l-e-s.


Then what's the red arrow pointing to?

Ugh...dude,are you trolling,no one can be this clueless.


So that's not the missle...  A snowcone maker?Image IPB

You would've saved time by just answering the question.


I'm also gonna just leave this here:

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

both were launched BEFORE you got there,that is why you recieved the distress signal.


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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

The batarians who launched the missile in the first place?



Shepard chose whether innocent people died from that or not.


Uh, 'NOT' in my Shepard's case.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Uh, the outside world is very aware of them.  To start with, they know you didn't launch the missiles.
Bolded emphasis mine:


“Scans detect an Alliance colony defended by a Javelin Mk. II missile base. A distress signal indicates that the base is compromised by batarians who have launched two missiles at the Alliance colony. Total destruction of the colony is imminent. Zero probability of survivors if missiles strike.
Find the control panel in the Javelin Mk. II missile base. Time of impact calculated: landing party will have 5 minutes to deactivate the missiles after shuttle touchdown.”


That's the intel you have... post event intel would/could include Cerberus involvement.

Also again, the missles (assuming they were the ones) were still there and slowly moving when Shepard arrived and fought on that station.


It's a missile base, one assumes it has more that two missiles.  And it's not Intel, that was the content of the distress signal, and there are still batarian bodies all over the base.  You can try to twist this as much as you want, Shepard doesn't get blamed for only being able to stop one missile out of two in 5 minutes.

Modifié par TheOptimist, 24 août 2011 - 07:41 .