Subserving the enemy doesn't really make sense if you as an organic are no more. You lose the war and make the enemy stronger. Nothing gained except for some false Reaper-PR bulls**t.
I'd rather die than strengthen the enemy, too. Nothing to do with the morals of serving the enemy or not, it's just irresponsible to lessen the chances of the next wave of organics to share your fate. That's how my Shep thinks anyway.
It was lonely. It called to us.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 03:57
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Looks pretty obvious either indoctrinated humans/the final boss human-reaper from ME2. They are, after all, the fusion of an entire species into one shell.
Which is also why Harbinger wants Shepard so bad - each Reaper needs a primary consciousness, and he wants Shepard to be the one for Humanity.
Makes sense. Also glad to see it cut. The Reapers are a lot more fun being unknowable Lovecraftian nightmares.
Which is also why Harbinger wants Shepard so bad - each Reaper needs a primary consciousness, and he wants Shepard to be the one for Humanity.
Makes sense. Also glad to see it cut. The Reapers are a lot more fun being unknowable Lovecraftian nightmares.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 03:57
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Knight of Dane wrote...
At first i thought Rachni, then it became obvious it's either a indoctrinated victim or a collector...
Can husks speak?
Yeah, sounds like Collector babble to me. Cool find.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 03:58
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No, I think it's indoctrinated scientists on board the derelict. I'm sure someone else has already broken it down to explain line by line, so I won't bother.PurebredCorn wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
At first i thought Rachni, then it became obvious it's either a indoctrinated victim or a collector...
Can husks speak?
Yeah, sounds like Collector babble to me. Cool find.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 04:06
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azerSheppard wrote...
If you like gameplay, stick to games that are more polished, ME gameplay is always 2 years behind it's peers of action adventure.
Mass Effect 2 is fine. It's at least as good as Gears 2 as far as cover shooters are concerned. It might even be better.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 04:08
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Nobody's giving us a choice between death and slavery. The Reapers WILL make us into a Reaper, whether we like it or not, if we fail to destroy them. If we try to blow up our mass relay, they will interfere. If we try to nuke the Earth, they will stop us. Joining the Reapers is nothing we have to work for. Humanity's already got the golden ticket. Might as well fight.
If we didn't show any resistance from the start and didn't destroy Nazara, they wouldn't have paid us any attention, and would've never considered making a Reaper out of us. If we fight more, they will respect us more, and think that we're worthy.
If you're not human, not all is lost for you. If you want the glorious destiny of joining the Reapers, fight them as well as you can. If you want your Masters' attention, destroy them. They respect that. The Reapers don't even notice those that don't fight them. They despise the subservience.
Bow to them, and they will indoctrinate your entire species and leave you in this galaxy to rot, unable to even feed, unable to fend for yourself. Fight the Reapers to the death, and they will find you worthy, and you will find your reward in eternity, when all your masters are dead.
Fight the Reapers by our side, and your species will inherit the galaxy. And you will rule it by our side.
I hope you will join us.
- Shepard and Co.
If we didn't show any resistance from the start and didn't destroy Nazara, they wouldn't have paid us any attention, and would've never considered making a Reaper out of us. If we fight more, they will respect us more, and think that we're worthy.
If you're not human, not all is lost for you. If you want the glorious destiny of joining the Reapers, fight them as well as you can. If you want your Masters' attention, destroy them. They respect that. The Reapers don't even notice those that don't fight them. They despise the subservience.
Bow to them, and they will indoctrinate your entire species and leave you in this galaxy to rot, unable to even feed, unable to fend for yourself. Fight the Reapers to the death, and they will find you worthy, and you will find your reward in eternity, when all your masters are dead.
Fight the Reapers by our side, and your species will inherit the galaxy. And you will rule it by our side.
I hope you will join us.
- Shepard and Co.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 04:31
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Vicious wrote...
Makes sense. Also glad to see it cut. The Reapers are a lot more fun being unknowable Lovecraftian nightmares.
Too late for that regardless. The uncut content in ME2 already makes it clear that they harvest us in order to further their reproductive cycle and create new Reapers. That's the whole point of the milkshake machine Shep busts up in the Collector Base, of the geth/Reaper "group consciousness" retcon, all of it. The only thing we don't know about the Reapers now is where they came from. What they're doing and what they are is quite clear.
Given that, they should have left this in, it's quite poetic and interesting and would go a long way toward balancing the more cringeworthy stuff like "that's what humans do."
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 04:57
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Having given this some more thought, and seeing BW generosity with the modding community, do you think they would leave something in the game that would blow the whole Reaper story wide open?
I think this has deliberately been left in to throw us off the scent!
I think this has deliberately been left in to throw us off the scent!
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 05:58
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The OP reminded me, in a roundabout way, of the "virtual aliens" story from CDN, and gave me an idea of where the first Reaper came from. The Reaper's consciousness was originally a great number of an organic race, uploaded into the Reaper ship's computer systems much like the virtual aliens, with a crucial difference. Instead of creating an AI to control the ship and maintain the virtual universe, the Reaper's organic antecedents took direct control of the craft, and were manipulated and corrupted by the power they had at their fingertips. Convinced of their "ascension" to godhood/perfection, and of the order granted/imposed upon them by their mechanization, they struck to "ascend" other species.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 06:05
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It was getting pretty close, but even the first Gears had smoother mechanics.Saphra Deden wrote...
azerSheppard wrote...
If you like gameplay, stick to games that are more polished, ME gameplay is always 2 years behind it's peers of action adventure.
Mass Effect 2 is fine. It's at least as good as Gears 2 as far as cover shooters are concerned. It might even be better.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 11:08
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Created a topic over in the ME2 spoiler forum for the other deleted text from the main game files:
http://social.biowar...5/index/8200010
http://social.biowar...5/index/8200010
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 11:20
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Sounds like something Heretics would say...other then bleep bloop bzzzz...grrrr...blipp!
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Posté 26 août 2011 - 12:04
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I loved the insinuation about effects on subsequent Earth history, as one of those srs bzns althistorian types, but the Spanish Armada? Really? It couldn't have been, say, Plassey, or Poltava, or, hell, the Revolution of 1789? I can't believe I'm complaining about this. I should go lie down.
Then again, I guess we wouldn't have gotten that Dark Lady reference. Okay. Okay. I'm cool. Even though none of this was in the game. eeeeeeeee
Then again, I guess we wouldn't have gotten that Dark Lady reference. Okay. Okay. I'm cool. Even though none of this was in the game. eeeeeeeee
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#239
Posté 26 août 2011 - 12:56
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sounds like a load of asari bs to me!!!!
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Posté 26 août 2011 - 06:16
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This may have been many things...CaptainZaysh wrote...
Cut text recovered from the bowels of ME2:Firstly: I can't believe this was cut. It's beautiful.It was lonely. It called to us.
It wanted to remember. The Masters had been gone so long.
The Masters were lost when it was shattered.
Currents swept through their inner worlds. They were turned to noise. Babble.
The worlds were empty. But the body lived. It lay fallow.
The heart pumped. The lungs breathed. But the mind forgot the Masters.
It called and They did not answer.
We have become an echo of Their echo.
We have become more than we were.
Join us. Know us. Remember all our lives.
We are no longer afraid.
You would never be lonely again.
We are not your enemy. We only wish to share ourselves.
We can join them. We can be like them.
We can reach the end of evolution.
Do not fear. It is wonderful to be us. We understand ourselves.
You cannot defeat them. They will lead us into eternity.
If you could only see how we see. Know what we've learned.
They were called imshai. Those who lived here before.
Reaper. One. A mechanical device used to cut ripened grain. Two. One who gathers a harvest.
Harvest. One. The consequence of an event or series of events. Two. The yield of a growing season. Three. To gather.
Shepard. They know you. They wish you to understand. They are shepherds, too.
Secondly. What's your interpretation of this?
One interpretation could be that these are the thoughts of the Heretic Geth...
Maybe we were supposed to meet talking platforms on their side too and a few would work well if they were addressing Legion...
Another could be that some of the processed colonists were capable of speaking through the Reaper Larva...
Anyway, some seem to be references to Sovereign, how the Keepers didn't answer its call, how the Reapers were stranded when it was destroyed and how it searched for allies since he was left alone (isolated from the others)...
At least that's how I interpret them...
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Posté 26 août 2011 - 08:25
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CaptainZaysh wrote...
Cut text recovered from the bowels of ME2:Firstly: I can't believe this was cut. It's beautiful.It was lonely. It called to us.
It wanted to remember. The Masters had been gone so long.
The Masters were lost when it was shattered.
Currents swept through their inner worlds. They were turned to noise. Babble.
The worlds were empty. But the body lived. It lay fallow.
The heart pumped. The lungs breathed. But the mind forgot the Masters.
It called and They did not answer.
We have become an echo of Their echo.
We have become more than we were.
Join us. Know us. Remember all our lives.
We are no longer afraid.
You would never be lonely again.
We are not your enemy. We only wish to share ourselves.
We can join them. We can be like them.
We can reach the end of evolution.
Do not fear. It is wonderful to be us. We understand ourselves.
You cannot defeat them. They will lead us into eternity.
If you could only see how we see. Know what we've learned.
They were called imshai. Those who lived here before.
Reaper. One. A mechanical device used to cut ripened grain. Two. One who gathers a harvest.
Harvest. One. The consequence of an event or series of events. Two. The yield of a growing season. Three. To gather.
Shepard. They know you. They wish you to understand. They are shepherds, too.
Secondly. What's your interpretation of this?
In my opinion, the first 8 lines of this monologue are the ones that need analysis. The rest is fairly self-explanatory and repetitions of lines spoken by Sovereign and Harbinger, with the exception of line 19 that mentions “imshai.”
Speaker: the indoctrinated scientists on the Derelict Reaper
It: the Derelict Reaper.
The Masters: the race who originally occupied the dead Reaper. They gave it direction, like a command module. They were “lost” when the Reaper was damaged.
The “inner worlds” and the “empty worlds.” The individual organic consciousnesses that made up the greater consciousness. These could have been destroyed 37 million years ago during the battle. Without the organic consciousness, the Derelict Reaper was left only with its baseline synthetic functions, i.e., “the heart pumped, the lungs breathed.” When the “inner worlds” became “empty worlds,” the Derelict Reaper was without direction.
“Currents swept through their inner worlds. They were turned to noise. Babble.” The process by which the synthetic portion of the Derelict Reaper lost contact with the organic consciousness. After the worlds became “empty” and disappeared, the Derelict Reaper slowly forgot them over time. Compare it to a body without brain function, though this analogy is far from perfect.
“It called and They did not answer. / We have become an echo of Their echo.” The Derelict Reaper sought the organic collective consciousness that once commanded it, to no avail. Notice how revered the Masters are to the Reaper: like referring to God by He and His. The speaker, presumably the collective consciousness of the indoctrinated scientists, state that they are an “echo of Their echo.” I interpreted this to mean that the scientists have become a collective consciousness just as the original race did long, long ago. We can also assume that since the Masters themselves were an echo, the Reapers are older than 37 million years. If they were an echo, they did not comprise the first Reaper.
The body laying “fallow.” This is a great word when contrasted with the two words in the dictionary definitions at the end of the monologue, “reaper” and “harvest.” It’s very revealing—without the organic collective consciousness of a race, a Reaper is “fallow”—i.e., barren, useless.
Imshai: like Nazara, probably what the race that comprised the Derelict Reaper called themselves.
As to why I think it was cut, it gave away the plot twist of the whole “human Reaper” revelation too early.
Just speculation.
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#242
Posté 26 août 2011 - 11:24
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this is an interesting thread. me likely
#243
Posté 27 août 2011 - 01:19
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Sounds like something that would be in the lyrics of "Don't Fear the Reaper" X)
#244
Posté 27 mars 2012 - 05:17
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And here I find this little gem. Would have been perfect dialogue for Harbinger in ME3 after Shepard had rallied everyone possible. Hope it ends up being used in future DLC.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 05:20
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Whoa, blast from the past, thanks for digging this one back up.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 05:29
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If only the Catalyst spoke in these terms to Shepard.... instead of that circular-logic, nonsensical bullsh*t that he actually talked about.
"We create synthethics to kill organics to stop them from creating synthetics that would kill organics" my ass, creepy little Godchild. <_<
"We create synthethics to kill organics to stop them from creating synthetics that would kill organics" my ass, creepy little Godchild. <_<
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