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[Homebound]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Cut text recovered from the bowels of ME2:

It was lonely. It called to us.
It wanted to remember. The Masters had been gone so long.
The Masters were lost when it was shattered.
Currents swept through their inner worlds. They were turned to noise. Babble.
The worlds were empty. But the body lived. It lay fallow.
The heart pumped. The lungs breathed. But the mind forgot the Masters.
It called and They did not answer.
We have become an echo of Their echo.
We have become more than we were.
Join us. Know us. Remember all our lives.
We are no longer afraid.
You would never be lonely again.
We are not your enemy. We only wish to share ourselves.
We can join them. We can be like them.
We can reach the end of evolution.
Do not fear. It is wonderful to be us. We understand ourselves.
You cannot defeat them. They will lead us into eternity.
If you could only see how we see. Know what we've learned.
They were called imshai. Those who lived here before.
Reaper. One. A mechanical device used to cut ripened grain. Two. One who gathers a harvest.
Harvest. One. The consequence of an event or series of events. Two. The yield of a growing season. Three. To gather.
Shepard. They know you. They wish you to understand. They are shepherds, too.

Firstly: I can't believe this was cut.  It's beautiful.

Secondly.  What's your interpretation of this?

my interpretation? I find it somewhat NSFW-ish. With phrases like "share ourselves", "Heart pumped" and the talk of "machines" sweeping through "Inner worlds".

[VaultingFrog]

Perfection is unobtainable. It always will be, otherwise what would there be left to strive for?

Each being, no matter if it is a collective or individual will always have flaws. Those flaws are what define them/us. With out them we are all the same.

Perfection is also a personal ideal. One that is different for each being. My perfection is not yours, nor should it be as I dont want to be reaching for the same thing you are.

Faith based or otherwise (I am not a "believer" myself) perfection is and always will be unreachable.

That being said it is an interesting piece however I dont feel that I would enjoy a story with this in it.

[silhouette80]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Wait a second, was there some proof posted in this topic that this was actually cut content?

From the first page:

CaptainZaysh wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Pix or it didn't happen?

http://masseffect.li...com/877028.html

I think this is a small, but key revelation. I can understand it being cut from the game since it seems to be revealing too much too soon, especially in light of what Shepard discovers at the Collector Base.  In Retribution you get the sense same sense that the Reapers truly think that they are "bettering" organic life.  It's a twisted form of utilitarianism that the Reapers stand for imo.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

I love the whole monologue, I really wish it wasn't cut from the game, I can't understand why it was. My question is, is it really legitimate? It was posted under the comments section on that livejournal after all...

[Bluko]

Well as I'm sure other have mentioned this was probably intended to be the dialogue of someone indoctrinated on the Derelict Reaper.

To bad it didn't stay. Kind of let down the only development we have from the Reaper Threat in ME2 is that we know they melt us down into new Reapers. Which doesn't really tell us anything new really about the Reapers, but simply confirms a number of things Sovereign eludes to. (Also creation method seems a bit well... backwards. I thought Reapers collected beings "intelligence" through indoctrination.)

Instead all we get for the most part is Harbinger saying "THIS HURTS YOU NOOBS!"

You know come to think of it... I bet the majority of complaints against the Human Reaper wouldn't even come up if you know the Human Reaper had spoken to us. How creepy would it have been to hear the voice of several humans speaking at once through the Reaper Larva trying to convince us to stop? But nope... instead we simply shoot the giant growling Terminator's eyes.

Modifié par Bluko, 25 août 2011 - 03:54 .

[Kileyan]

The more I read this, it sounds like the DA2 preaching of the Qunari. It fits, it is pretty much just a bunch of hivemind speak, of an individual being freed of having to think for himself, and putting all his trust in some sort of leader who is controlling his mind through magic, tech or just mundane brainwashing.

"all is good and great once I stopped having to think for myself"

[didymos1120]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I love the whole monologue, I really wish it wasn't cut from the game, I can't understand why it was. My question is, is it really legitimate? It was posted under the comments section on that livejournal after all...

Yes.  Grab the ME2 TLK Tool, and direct it to read from the file in "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Mass Effect 2\\BioGame\\CookedPC\\Biogame_INT.tlk" (or just "Program Files" on 32-bit versions of Windows) then tell it where to dump the xml (name it whatever).  Now open that xml file in an editor or your choice or your browser, pick a phrase from the passage and search for it.  You wanted proof?  There it is.

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 août 2011 - 04:09 .

[Wrathra]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...

Sounds like it was a huge collector speech. Good that it was cut imho

I don't know, if Harbinger would have this as dialogue instead of just annoying me all the time with his trolling, it'd may have jumped quite a bit upwards for my liking,

pretty much this.

[marshalleck]

Kileyan wrote...

The more I read this, it sounds like the DA2 preaching of the Qunari. It fits, it is pretty much just a bunch of hivemind speak, of an individual being freed of having to think for himself, and putting all his trust in some sort of leader who is controlling his mind through magic, tech or just mundane brainwashing.

"all is good and great once I stopped having to think for myself"

Do you read a lot of Ayn Rand?

[didymos1120]

luk4s3d wrote...

Where did you get that from?

The ME2 TLK file, which is where all the text for the menus, subtitles, etc. is stored.  There also happens to be a lot of leftover text from cut content, just like the game has leftover audio in its package files.  See my post just upthread for how you can extract the text into a readable form.

[SkittlesKat96]

Arcian wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

The Kirrahe email being dropped still baffles me.

You can still make it appear in-game via Epic Legion's save converter/edit site.

It confuses me too as to why they dropped it too, considering one of Mordin's dialogs its really funny.

[Arppis]

Ah, trés bien... trés bien...

[LGTX]

Very interesting, great find. Food for thought!

By the way, I recommend you edit the means by which you gathered the info into the first post, or people will carry on bugging you about it

[RenegadeXV]

Fata Morgana wrote...

I do have to admit: The possibility that Shepard will discover that the civilizations that became reapers might still retain their identities and might be living in a kind of utopia is an intriguing one.

That reminds me of the ending of Revealtion Space.

[jamesp81]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sounds like something a indoctrinated person would write about how Shepard should join the Reapers.

I can see why it was cut.

By the way. In before Ezekiel 25:17 quotes.

Agreed.

But if they hadn't cut it, my Shepard would've done something like Hawke did with the rock wraith in DA2:

Shepard: AND I GIVE YOU MY ANSWER (ShepardPunch)

[jamesp81]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Like I've been saying, we should give serious consideration to joining with them.

Good news is that if we lose, it'll happen anyway, so we don't need to do anything different.

Death before dishonor

[jamesp81]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Saren didn't know what The Illusive Man now knows. The Reapers aren't here to exterminate us. They're here to change us. For the better.

I'll handle my own change, thanks.  Now if the Reapers don't mind, I'd appreciate it if they'd allow me to exercise my free will unfettered.

No?  They won't do that?  Then they can taste death at my hands.

Modifié par jamesp81, 25 août 2011 - 03:26 .

[jamesp81]

Arcian wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Turning us into Reaper splooge is hardly for the better.

What this piece seems to hint at is that there is a life for you after you're turned into Reaper splooge.  See how they've described the ship as a collection of many "worlds"?  Is each of those worlds one of the souls that went into the Old God?  The Cerberus team was sharing memories.  This piece talks about remembering "all our lives".

Maybe... maybe that's what indoctrination really is. Sharing of thoughts, ideas and memories. That could explain why individuality is lost, because individuality cannot exist in the "network" the Reapers are connected through. Each person affected is a facet of the whole, and intelligence and sapience is reflected through the whole and not through individuals. That's also why indoctrinated eventually join the Reapers - they "reach consensus" with the whole when connected.

Going further on this idea, maybe the genetic goo isn't a vital part of building a reaper from a hardware point, but a manner for them to gain the memories, experiences and ideas of the species they ascend. Genetic memory, and all that jazz.

F**k, this is good. This is really good.

The reapers do indeed destroy all individuality and free will.  For this reason alone, they are profoundly evil.  Not profoundly different, profoundly alien, or of a profoundly different culture.

Profoundly. Evil.

Only one thing to do with that....

[azerSheppard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

If you're against everything BW does why care to play the game? Honest question.

I play it for the good game play (you know, the most important part of a game). Another reason is that I've mostly enjoyed the universe they've crafted. So far.

If you like gameplay, stick to games that are more polished, ME gameplay is always 2 years behind it's peers of action adventure.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jamesp81 wrote...
The reapers do indeed destroy all individuality and free will.  For this reason alone, they are profoundly evil.  Not profoundly different, profoundly alien, or of a profoundly different culture.

Profoundly. Evil.

Only one thing to do with that....

^ This.

[Pulletlamer]

Ferris95 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Better to be subservient to a master than dead.

Not when your master is a space abomination built from the souls of dead civilazations who are attempting to boil you down into a goo to slap together a new cosmic horror and if that doesn't work they will instead play god and mess with your genetics until you become a enslaved race of insectoids trapped forever helping your conquerers as they rage across the galaxy stealing the lives of more innocents.

I'd rather be dead.

This guy speaks the thruth. I'd rather be dead than loose the ability to have a free will, too.

Besides, you're not being subservent, you are being nothing more than a mere slave and dying (or being indoctrinated/brainwashed) in the process anyway.

And when you are being "subservent" but don't have free will it doesn't matter if you wanted it or not, they can have the same results with the opposite people (the ones that don't want to be subservent). So they're not going to treat you better just because you desesperatedly want to be their "servant".