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[jamesp81]

Where would it be?  Thedas can be rightly viewed as a crapsack world, so this becomes an exercise in choosing the least of all evils.  What would your choice be?

Personally, I think I'd live in Ferelden.  Most of the nobility seems to have a bit of sense, the Ferelden templars aren't maniacs and the Ferelden circle mages don't constantly summon demons.  Ferelden also has cookies and beer.  Downsides are that torture seems to be an acceptable method of interrogation (unless you do it to someone important, like a nobleman's son, in which case it starts a civil war), Ferelden cities still pack city-born elves into alienages, and the local Dalish clan in the Brecilian forest is pre-disposed towards "violence first no matter how many innocents get hurt", which seems to be the norm for them.  Their neighbors to the west include Orlais and Orzammar.  One an aggressive, expansionist empire the other an oligarchy that treats its casteless worse than animals.

[whykikyouwhy]

As cosmopolitan as Fereldan may be, with its Circle (hours of fun scouring the floors!), crispy burnt villages (Lothering is the best place for s'mores), and ruined temples (there's a little known 'gift shop' DLC - you could buy replica urns), I'd have to go small scale and live in the Hanged Man (I hear that only the finest adventurers can get a room there). It's close to the port, always a hub of activity and rumor, and serves some of the finest (rat-droppinng flavored) whiskey around. It seems delightfully lively!

[jamesp81]

At least there would be entertainment. The band seems to break out into special music every time there's a fight, so it's clearly a common occurrence. You could watch and bet on bar fights which could be fun.

[jlb524]

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

Modifié par jlb524, 24 août 2011 - 03:53 .

[bleetman]

Nestled deep within Isabela's mighty cleavage, of course.

[EmperorSahlertz]

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

[Mr.House]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

No there is not in fact. Rivian is the only place that lacks one because of its diversity. Dalish are welcome there and have places they can set up camp with out issues. Qunari have a huge camp there, which again does not cause issues. Where Izzy is from, the island is knowen for it's fortune tellers and sexual behavors. If there was a circle and chantry then the Dalish and Qunari would not be welcome there at all.

Also people from Rivian don't fear mages nor buy the Chantry crap. It's a free place and the best place to be in Thedas.

Modifié par Mr.House, 24 août 2011 - 04:25 .

[Mr.House]

bleetman wrote...

Nestled deep within Isabela's mighty cleavage, of course.

That's a good place to live.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

No there is not in fact. Rivian is the only place that lacks one because it's diversity. Dalish are welcome there and have palces they can set up camp with out issues. Qunari have a huge camp there, which again does not cause issues. Where Izzy is from, the island is knowen for it's fortune tellers and sexual behavors. If there was a circle and chantry then the Dalish and Qunari would not be welcome there at all.

Also people from Rivian don't fear mages nor buy the Chantry crap. It's a free place andt he best place to be in Thedas.

There is a Circle in Rivain. And where there is a Circle, there is a Chantry. While Rivaini are not generally Andrastians, it does not prevent a Chantry from being in Rivain.

Nor is Rivain particularly open minded about magic (despite what some mage supporters claim). They revere their seers, but there are still prohibitions against magic.

[jlb524]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

This is what the Codex says.

I don't remember reading otherwise.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There is a Circle in Rivain. And where there is a Circle, there is a Chantry. While Rivaini are not
generally Andrastians, it does not prevent a Chantry from being in Rivain.

Nor is Rivain particularly open minded about magic (despite what some mage supporters claim). They revere their seers, but  there are still prohibitions against magic.

Do you have a source?

Modifié par jlb524, 24 août 2011 - 04:30 .

[Wulfram]

Depends on who I am. If I'm a commoner then Ferelden probably isn't too bad. If I'm noble, Orlais might work. If I'm a mage... uh maybe Rivain - though the Wiki does claim that there's a circle in Dairsmuid - or maybe the Chasind or something. If I'm elvish, with the Dalish - though it's suggested Tevinter isn't too bad for those elves who aren't slaves.

[Mr.House]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

No there is not in fact. Rivian is the only place that lacks one because it's diversity. Dalish are welcome there and have palces they can set up camp with out issues. Qunari have a huge camp there, which again does not cause issues. Where Izzy is from, the island is knowen for it's fortune tellers and sexual behavors. If there was a circle and chantry then the Dalish and Qunari would not be welcome there at all.

Also people from Rivian don't fear mages nor buy the Chantry crap. It's a free place andt he best place to be in Thedas.

There is a Circle in Rivain. And where there is a Circle, there is a Chantry. While Rivaini are not generally Andrastians, it does not prevent a Chantry from being in Rivain.

Nor is Rivain particularly open minded about magic (despite what some mage supporters claim). They revere their seers, but there are still prohibitions against magic.

Uh huh, uf so then why are the Dalish and Qunari welcome there and have there OWN areas? If the Chantry was in Rivian (which it is not) they would not give stuff to those two races, they hatet he Qunari and Dalish. I see more evidence that Rivian is a free country, which is where I want to be, with Izzy at my side.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

This is what the Codex says.

I don't remember reading otherwise.

Bingo. Rivian is a free country, it's the only place not controlled by the Chantry excluding the Qunari islands.

[jamesp81]

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

No there is not in fact. Rivian is the only place that lacks one because of its diversity. Dalish are welcome there and have places they can set up camp with out issues. Qunari have a huge camp there, which again does not cause issues. Where Izzy is from, the island is knowen for it's fortune tellers and sexual behavors. If there was a circle and chantry then the Dalish and Qunari would not be welcome there at all.

Also people from Rivian don't fear mages nor buy the Chantry crap. It's a free place and the best place to be in Thedas.

In Rivain, many of the people follow the oppresive Qun (which is as bad as the Chantry at a minimum and, IMO, far worse) instead of the Maker or the Elven religions and their hedge witches willingly become abominations, supposedly for the benefit of the locals.  Though they don't round the elves up in alienages, Isabela suggests being Dalish in Rivain is not a picnic.

Another thing to consider is that Rivain is not very well fleshed out as we haven't visited it or had much in game lore provided on it.  What we do have mentions some serious unpleasant aspects to their culture (the abominations thing, especially).  I suspect if we do visit Rivain, it will be made to conform to the crapsackiness that seems to be the norm in Thedas.

So, yeah, doesn't sound so great to me.  I'll stick with Ferelden.  Or at least some place where becoming an abomination is considered a good idea.

Modifié par jamesp81, 24 août 2011 - 04:48 .

[jamesp81]

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

No there is not in fact. Rivian is the only place that lacks one because it's diversity. Dalish are welcome there and have palces they can set up camp with out issues. Qunari have a huge camp there, which again does not cause issues. Where Izzy is from, the island is knowen for it's fortune tellers and sexual behavors. If there was a circle and chantry then the Dalish and Qunari would not be welcome there at all.

Also people from Rivian don't fear mages nor buy the Chantry crap. It's a free place andt he best place to be in Thedas.

There is a Circle in Rivain. And where there is a Circle, there is a Chantry. While Rivaini are not generally Andrastians, it does not prevent a Chantry from being in Rivain.

Nor is Rivain particularly open minded about magic (despite what some mage supporters claim). They revere their seers, but there are still prohibitions against magic.

Uh huh, uf so then why are the Dalish and Qunari welcome there and have there OWN areas? If the Chantry was in Rivian (which it is not) they would not give stuff to those two races, they hatet he Qunari and Dalish. I see more evidence that Rivian is a free country, which is where I want to be, with Izzy at my side.

Rivain doesn't strike me as free at all.  And on things where they are free, they've decided that willingly becoming an abomination is just peachy.

The back story of Rivain isn't fleshed out too well.  If it ever does get fleshed out, I would not be surprised if it gets portrayed as a libertarian dystopia, kind of like Rapture from Bioshock.  Maybe fewer bodies in the streets than that, although with hedge witches willingly becoming abominations, you never know.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rivain is the only place that appeals to me, from what I know of it.

Let's see...they don't lock up mages, don't treat elves like ass, aren't Andrastian....yay!

There is both a Circle and a Chantry in Rivain...

No there is not in fact. Rivian is the only place that lacks one because it's diversity. Dalish are welcome there and have palces they can set up camp with out issues. Qunari have a huge camp there, which again does not cause issues. Where Izzy is from, the island is knowen for it's fortune tellers and sexual behavors. If there was a circle and chantry then the Dalish and Qunari would not be welcome there at all.

Also people from Rivian don't fear mages nor buy the Chantry crap. It's a free place andt he best place to be in Thedas.

There is a Circle in Rivain. And where there is a Circle, there is a Chantry. While Rivaini are not generally Andrastians, it does not prevent a Chantry from being in Rivain.

Nor is Rivain particularly open minded about magic (despite what some mage supporters claim). They revere their seers, but there are still prohibitions against magic.

Uh huh, uf so then why are the Dalish and Qunari welcome there and have there OWN areas? If the Chantry was in Rivian (which it is not) they would not give stuff to those two races, they hatet he Qunari and Dalish. I see more evidence that Rivian is a free country, which is where I want to be, with Izzy at my side.

That there is a Chantry present does in no way mean that the Chantry rules. Rivain is a frree country, with its own customs. Some of them are Andrastians, others are Qunari, some are traditional pantheists. That is why the Dalish are allwoed, and the Qunari, because the Rivaini does not all adhere to the Chant, but some do, evidenced by the presence of a Circle.

[EmperorSahlertz]

It is a dangerous job.

[jamesp81]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Curious. Nobody else wants to be a Dalish Keeper? I thought that's an awesome job. What did I miss?

I think no one's saying it because it's embarrasing.  But I guess most, if they have the gift of magic, have their eyes on Tevinter.  If one is a powerful mage and doesn't mind living by amoral or immoral ethics, Tevinter is the way to go.  No one wants to admit it, though

[jlb524]

Still, where is the source that says there is a Chantry/Circle in Rivain?  Either from the game or a dev post.  I don't recall this ever being mentioned.

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Curious. Nobody else wants to be a Dalish Keeper? I thought that's an awesome job. What did I miss?

I would.

Dalish was my second choice.

Modifié par jlb524, 24 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Rivain is too close to Par Vollen for my liking. Antiva is full of assassins. Tevinter has too many blood mages. Orlais is just as cutthroat. Kirkwall is a hellmouth. The Anderfels are a wasteland. I'll go for northern Ferelden.

[Wulfram]

If I'm an Elf mage, then being a Dalish Keeper is no doubt better than the alternatives.  But I don't really fancy it - it's just like being a normal dalish, which for an indoorsy city dweller like me isn't great, but with added aggravations from being in charge as far as I can see.

jlb524 wrote...

Still, where is the source that says there is a Chantry/Circle in Rivain?  Either from the game or a dev post.  I don't recall this ever being mentioned.

For the Chantry, from the codex on the Llomerryn Accords.
It's worth noting, however, that the Kingdom of Rivain immediately violated the treaty. Twice. Once, when the humans of northern Rivain—nearly all practitioners of the Qun and therefore by definition, "Qunari"—refused to leave their homes and go in exile to the islands. And again, when the Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves. It's a fortunate mystery that the leaders in Kont-aar did not alert their allies in the Northern Passage, or we'd still be fighting the giants now.

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 août 2011 - 05:01 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This Codex entry mentions the Rivaini Chantry.

Anyway as far as the OP goes, most of the Andrastian nations aren't too bad places to live. Except for maybe the Anderfels because of the darkspawn and Antiva because of the assasins.

[KnightofPhoenix]

jlb524 wrote...

Still, where is the source that says there is a Chantry/Circle in Rivain?  Either from the game or a dev post.  I don't recall this ever being mentioned.

"It's worth noting, however, that the Kingdom of Rivain immediately violated the treaty. Twice. Once, when the humans of northern Rivain—nearly all practitioners of the Qun and therefore by definition, "Qunari"—refused to leave their homes and go in exile to the islands. And again, when the Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves. It's a fortunate mystery that the leaders in Kont-aar did not alert their allies in the Northern Passage, or we'd still be fighting the giants now.
—From The Exalted Marches: An Examination of Chantry Warfare, by Sister Petrine, Chantry scholar"

They are not as tolerant as people make them out to be. And there is a strong presence of Chantry elements.

EDIT: ninjaed
Either Rivain or Tevinter.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 août 2011 - 05:02 .