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[blothulfur]

With sword in hand and the Qun strengthening my body mind and soul, my home is wherever I am needed for when walking in enlightenment all of reality is a paradise and whether I strive or sleep I am content. Time enough for rest in the grave.

Modifié par blothulfur, 24 août 2011 - 05:30 .

[Ulathar]

hm...all around :-)
Studying the Dalish and their culture, maybe even living among them to do that. So, most likely a clan in Ferelden or the Free Marches where they know that at least not all humans are bastards

[jamesp81]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

All of my Wardens and Hawkes got to an eluvian mirror changed their looks and made a beeline to Rivain. The only truly free spot in Thedas. Where I'm free of all the bloody messes in Ferelden and Kirkwall.

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

I don't know where you all getting this idea that Rivain is some kind of paradise of freedom.  Nothing I've seen suggests it is.

It's probably not as bad as Orlais or Tevinter, I'll give you that.

[Sinmara]

In a mage tower deep in the woods ...

[_Somebody]

Tevinter. They have a Chantry, but they dont shove the religion down your throat. Plus I could enlist in their army and kill me some qunari. 

[Harid]

jamesp81 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

All of my Wardens and Hawkes got to an eluvian mirror changed their looks and made a beeline to Rivain. The only truly free spot in Thedas. Where I'm free of all the bloody messes in Ferelden and Kirkwall.

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

I don't know where you all getting this idea that Rivain is some kind of paradise of freedom.  Nothing I've seen suggests it is.

It's probably not as bad as Orlais or Tevinter, I'll give you that.

Logic dictates that if there wasn't some sort of peace, then the entire country would either be part of the Chantry or devoured by the Qun.

Because that is not the case, and because we've never heard anything resembling any type of conflict for the last 300 years there, people aren't really jumping to conclusions, you are.

[jlb524]

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

[_Somebody]

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

But would you want to live with a bunch of people that follow it? You would be "Bas" to them and looked down upon. 

[Lenimph]

 Isabela's ship or Orlay... 
You know... those places where "everyones fair game"  

[jamesp81]

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

Which doesn't mean much if you look at how Qunari tend to deal with others.  It's an extremely oppressive, uniquely anti-freedom, anti-individualism philosophy.  And it's a very common philosophy in Rivain.

My own personal non-canon backed opinion is that Rivain is probably freer than Orlais and Tevinter and about the same, freedom-wise, as Ferelden.  Exceptions would be elves or mages, they seem to get a somewhat better deal in Rivain.  My other personal, non-canon backed opinion is that Rivain is likely to become steadily more oppressive as they years go by, chiefly because of the influence of the Qun in that country.

Speaking for myself, though, the abomination thing means Rivain is right out for me.  They can keep it.

Modifié par jamesp81, 24 août 2011 - 05:45 .

[Harid]

Somebody wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

But would you want to live with a bunch of people that follow it? You would be "Bas" to them and looked down upon. 

Who gives a ****?  As long as those people aren't in positions of power, which they are not outside of Kont-Aar, who cares what other people call you?

It's when they are in positions of power is when it's a problem.

As far as the abomination thing, it depends on what side of the Wynne---------Anders Scale they are on.  If they fall toward the Wynne scale, awesome.  If they fall toward the Anders scale, I would assume they have some safeguards in place; or the place would have burned hundreds of years ago.

Modifié par Harid, 24 août 2011 - 05:46 .

[Vit246]

All this talk of Rivaini mages "willingly becoming abominations" make it sound like they idiotically allow demons of rage, sloth, desire and pride to possess them instead the non-demonic / benign type, like Spirits of Faith and Valor. I don't think they do that. I have to wonder exactly how much of the Qun Rivain follows since it respects and tolerates its mages enough to allow that, without the direct rule of the kossith. Since Rivain is now said to overwhelmingly follow the Qun to some degree, I don't think there is even much of a Rivain Chantry there to matter anymore, if it still exists. If there is a Circle, I would think it is distinctly differently from ones ruled by the Chantry. Rivain needs more and more details. I really want to check out Rivain.

Modifié par Vit246, 24 août 2011 - 05:49 .

[Rifneno]

Kind of a hard question to answer since we don't have much information on most countries. Of the ones we do, probably Ferelden. I hate heat more than cold, and while it's within shouting distance of one of Thedas' great evils (Orlais & the Chantry) it's faaar from the other two (Tevinter and the Qunari).

[_Somebody]

Harid wrote...

Somebody wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

But would you want to live with a bunch of people that follow it? You would be "Bas" to them and looked down upon. 

Who gives a ****?  As long as those people aren't in positions of power, which they are not outside of Kont-Aar, who cares what other people call you?

It's when they are in positions of power is when it's a problem.

If people that follow the qun arent in a position of power then who is in Rivain?

[Wulfram]

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

I don't know where you all getting this idea that Rivain is some kind of paradise of freedom.  Nothing I've seen suggests it is.

The religious diversity implies some sort of religious freedom, even if it's only because no one religion has managed to fully take control.  Though it probably also means that it's liable to go up in flames when the next exalted march happens

There's also a rather disturbing implication in one of Isabela's dialogues that if you refuse "a tumble" with a fortune teller on Rivain you get driven out of town

[originalgamer89]

I do not want to be in any "civilized" nation my wardens are exploring the wastelands of thedas that we have no imformation on like the urthemiel plains, abyssal reach, Danarks and the tirashan see map of thedas http://images1.wikia...0/ThedasMap.jpg
my hawk and merrill ran a way from kirkwall after the events there and now live in the arlathan forest indulging our hunger for knowledge/magic trinkets

[jamesp81]

Harid wrote...

Somebody wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

But would you want to live with a bunch of people that follow it? You would be "Bas" to them and looked down upon. 

Who gives a ****?  As long as those people aren't in positions of power, which they are not outside of Kont-Aar, who cares what other people call you?

It's when they are in positions of power is when it's a problem.

And they eventually will be.  There are many followers of the Qun in Rivain.  It's only a matter of time before they start wielding authority.

[Phaffner]

If I had to live in Thedas, I would want to be a member of one of the Dalish clans, At least they respect their mages and dont lock them up and lobotamize them for an acident of birth.

[jamesp81]

Vit246 wrote...

All this talk of Rivaini mages "willingly becoming abominations" make it sound like they idiotically allow demons of rage, sloth, desire and pride to possess them instead the non-demonic / benign type. I don't think they do that. I have to wonder exactly how much of the Qun Rivain follows if it respects and tolerates its mages enough to allow that, without the direct rule of the kossith. Since Rivain is now said to overwhelmingly follow the Qun, I don't think there is even much of a Rivain Chantry there to matter anymore, if it still exists. If there is a Circle, I would think it is distinctly differently from ones ruled by the Chantry. Rivain needs more and more details. I really want to check out Rivain.

Anders became an abomination with a "nice" spirit too, and we see how that turned out.

Abomination = bad.  That's one thing the Chantry has right.  Abominations formed by demons are obviously worse, especially at first, but abominations formed from "nice" spirits are quite destructive as well.

[Harid]

Somebody wrote...

Harid wrote...

Somebody wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

But would you want to live with a bunch of people that follow it? You would be "Bas" to them and looked down upon. 

Who gives a ****?  As long as those people aren't in positions of power, which they are not outside of Kont-Aar, who cares what other people call you?

It's when they are in positions of power is when it's a problem.

If people that follow the qun arent in a position of power then who is in Rivain?

According to the codex, their King, the Chantry and hedge witches.

Modifié par Harid, 24 août 2011 - 05:50 .

[jlb524]

Somebody wrote...

If people that follow the qun arent in a position of power then who is in Rivain?

It seems the Rivaini seers hold some power..at least in their local village.  I'm not sure if there's a centralized source of power in Rivain.

[Harid]

jamesp81 wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

All this talk of Rivaini mages "willingly becoming abominations" make it sound like they idiotically allow demons of rage, sloth, desire and pride to possess them instead the non-demonic / benign type. I don't think they do that. I have to wonder exactly how much of the Qun Rivain follows if it respects and tolerates its mages enough to allow that, without the direct rule of the kossith. Since Rivain is now said to overwhelmingly follow the Qun, I don't think there is even much of a Rivain Chantry there to matter anymore, if it still exists. If there is a Circle, I would think it is distinctly differently from ones ruled by the Chantry. Rivain needs more and more details. I really want to check out Rivain.

Anders became an abomination with a "nice" spirit too, and we see how that turned out.

Abomination = bad.  That's one thing the Chantry has right.  Abominations formed by demons are obviously worse, especially at first, but abominations formed from "nice" spirits are quite destructive as well.

We've only technically met two spirit abominations. . .

[jamesp81]

Harid wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Harid wrote...

Somebody wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Just what makes people think Rivain is free?  It is littered with Qunari and Qun converts which is pretty much the opposite of free.  Rivaini hedge witches willingly choose to become abominations on top of that.

It doesn't seem like anyone is forced to convert to the Qun.

But would you want to live with a bunch of people that follow it? You would be "Bas" to them and looked down upon. 

Who gives a ****?  As long as those people aren't in positions of power, which they are not outside of Kont-Aar, who cares what other people call you?

It's when they are in positions of power is when it's a problem.

If people that follow the qun arent in a position of power then who is in Rivain?

According to the codex, the Chantry and hedge witches.

The Chantry isn't exactly known for promoting freedom in general.  And see my previous posts with respect to hedge witches and abominations.

[jamesp81]

Harid wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

All this talk of Rivaini mages "willingly becoming abominations" make it sound like they idiotically allow demons of rage, sloth, desire and pride to possess them instead the non-demonic / benign type. I don't think they do that. I have to wonder exactly how much of the Qun Rivain follows if it respects and tolerates its mages enough to allow that, without the direct rule of the kossith. Since Rivain is now said to overwhelmingly follow the Qun, I don't think there is even much of a Rivain Chantry there to matter anymore, if it still exists. If there is a Circle, I would think it is distinctly differently from ones ruled by the Chantry. Rivain needs more and more details. I really want to check out Rivain.

Anders became an abomination with a "nice" spirit too, and we see how that turned out.

Abomination = bad.  That's one thing the Chantry has right.  Abominations formed by demons are obviously worse, especially at first, but abominations formed from "nice" spirits are quite destructive as well.

We've only technically met two spirit abominations. . .

"There are no good spirits or bad spirits.  I'm sorry you didn't understand that" --Merrill.