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[Rifneno]

jamesp81 wrote...

"There are no good spirits or bad spirits.  I'm sorry you didn't understand that" --Merrill.

Looking to Merrill for wisdom is like eating toothpaste for vitamin C.

[Harid]

jamesp81 wrote...
The Chantry isn't exactly known for promoting freedom in general.  And see my previous posts with respect to hedge witches and abominations.

They don't seemingly have enough of a foothold on the nation to really influence anything outside of their circle, as if they did (the Chantry), there would not be hedge witches there in the first place.  Plus I beleive they have some sort of Monarchy there anyway, the codex alluded to it.

And like I stated, it depends on where on the scale their spirit abominations, fall, Wynne was possessed by a spirit and Wynne was awesome.

Modifié par Harid, 24 août 2011 - 05:53 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

jlb524 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Circle of Rivain is in the capital, Dairsmuid. So there is probably a Chantry in the capital. Which means they might have *some* influence.

I see this listed here in the Wiki but I don't see an original source for that info.

There are two or so Codex entries that are sourced by a former Enchater in the Circle of Rivain. I don't remember if anywhere says where it waas located. It's possible Dairsmuid was mentioned in one of the Dragon Age 2 loading screens but I don't recall specifically.

[mousestalker]

After reflecting a bit, I came to the realization that Thedas really sucks. It's like almost all medieval or quasi-medieval worlds in that for the bulk of the population life is nasty, brutish and short.

If I had to be as I am in the here and now, there isn't any place in Thedas I'd like. As over aged and out of shape as I am, I'd likely take refuge in the local Chantry and work in their garden.

Modifié par mousestalker, 24 août 2011 - 06:03 .

[Vit246]

jamesp81 wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

All this talk of Rivaini mages "willingly becoming abominations" make it sound like they idiotically allow demons of rage, sloth, desire and pride to possess them instead the non-demonic / benign type. I don't think they do that. I have to wonder exactly how much of the Qun Rivain follows if it respects and tolerates its mages enough to allow that, without the direct rule of the kossith. Since Rivain is now said to overwhelmingly follow the Qun, I don't think there is even much of a Rivain Chantry there to matter anymore, if it still exists. If there is a Circle, I would think it is distinctly differently from ones ruled by the Chantry. Rivain needs more and more details. I really want to check out Rivain.

Anders became an abomination with a "nice" spirit too, and we see how that turned out.

Abomination = bad.  That's one thing the Chantry has right.  Abominations formed by demons are obviously worse, especially at first, but abominations formed from "nice" spirits are quite destructive as well.

EDIT:
First, this is a real abomination: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Abomination

Anders is far from that. And second, that spirit was twisted and warped by Anders' history of physical and mental trauma as a mage in Andrastian society, so its mostly Anders' fault that he's not a stable host body for a symbiotic possession with a spirit. If Rivaini mages were regularly becoming the sort of "abominations" that kill people and destroy stuff, than why hasn't Rivain been destroyed and overrun by demons and abominations yet? Why does Rivain tolerate this practice of mages allowing spirits to possess them? Since Rivain is still around and relatively thriving, I would have to conclude that these Rivaini mages know what they're doing when it comes to spirit possession and avoiding demons.

Modifié par Vit246, 24 août 2011 - 10:45 .

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

"There are no good spirits or bad spirits.  I'm sorry you didn't understand that" --Merrill.

Looking to Merrill for wisdom is like eating toothpaste for vitamin C.

Merrill is indeed wise Rifneno. Wiser than most mages, and most people in general. Her time in Kirkwall actually makes her more savvy to living among other people. She's not used to being in a city, but her time there makes her grow up.

Also, the actual quote she says is this:

All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

They may not be dangerous in the same ways, but they are still dangerous.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Empress Celene's dress. I'm sure it's spacious enough.

[TEWR]

Vit246 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

All this talk of Rivaini mages "willingly becoming abominations" make it sound like they idiotically allow demons of rage, sloth, desire and pride to possess them instead the non-demonic / benign type. I don't think they do that. I have to wonder exactly how much of the Qun Rivain follows if it respects and tolerates its mages enough to allow that, without the direct rule of the kossith. Since Rivain is now said to overwhelmingly follow the Qun, I don't think there is even much of a Rivain Chantry there to matter anymore, if it still exists. If there is a Circle, I would think it is distinctly differently from ones ruled by the Chantry. Rivain needs more and more details. I really want to check out Rivain.

Anders became an abomination with a "nice" spirit too, and we see how that turned out.

Abomination = bad.  That's one thing the Chantry has right.  Abominations formed by demons are obviously worse, especially at first, but abominations formed from "nice" spirits are quite destructive as well.

First, this is a real abomination: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Abomination

Anders is far from that. And second, that spirit was twisted and warped by Anders' internal uncontrolled anger, so its mostly Anders' fault. If Rivaini mages were regularly becoming the sort of "abominations" that kill people and destroy stuff, than why hasn't Rivain been destroyed and overrun by demons and abominations yet? Since Rivain is still around and relatively thriving, I would have to conclude that these Rivaini mages know what they're doing when it come to spirit possession.

They don't "become abominations". They allow themselves to be possessed by spirits of the Fade. Not the same thing.

Really, the Chantry needs to find a distinction between the two. Abomination has a negative connotation (meatball flesh sack drunkards), while Anders and Wynne are something else entirely.

They are still dangerous though. Just in different ways.

[Harid]

Eh. .. Anders pretty much fell into full Abomination by the end of Dragon Age 2. ..so I dunno.

[TEWR]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Empress Celene's dress. I'm sure it's spacious enough.

I'm trying to think of what Empress Celene might (and should) look like.

Regal, stunning, beautiful, elegant, long blonde hair or long black hair, Orlesian, frilly, pompous, arrogant, cunning, manipulative, etc..

Bioware needs to give characters really long hair. I don't care if it ends up being static. They just need long hair. My Dalish Elves suffered from lack of long hair. I wanted to make them as close to the Dalish elf portrait as possible. But they just looked horrible.

[Lakhi]

I'd live on a boat, plain and simple.

The moment trouble strikes -> GTFO to the next port

[TEWR]

Harid wrote...

Eh. .. Anders pretty much fell into full Abomination by the end of Dragon Age 2. ..so I dunno.

One would think with Isabela's knowledge of Rivaini culture and her past with a mother who pretended to be a seer, she might know a thing or two about willingly allowing a spirit into the body.

No doubt she spent time with other Rivaini people and seers, and that's what allowed her to call her mother out on being a fraud.

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Merrill is indeed wise Rifneno. Wiser than most mages, and most people in general. Her time in Kirkwall actually makes her more savvy to living among other people. She's not used to being in a city, but her time there makes her grow up.

Also, the actual quote she says is this:

All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

They may not be dangerous in the same ways, but they are still dangerous.

She doesn't recognize a difference between spirits and demons. That's just ridiculous. Spirits can be bad at times, but are mostly good. Demons are just bad.

[Harid]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Harid wrote...

Eh. .. Anders pretty much fell into full Abomination by the end of Dragon Age 2. ..so I dunno.

One would think with Isabela's knowledge of Rivaini culture and her past with a mother who pretended to be a seer, she might know a thing or two about willingly allowing a spirit into the body.

No doubt she spent time with other Rivaini people and seers, and that's what allowed her to call her mother out on being a fraud.

I doubt there was anything she could have done about Anders, not being a mage herself, but it would have been nice if she aided Anders in taming his demons.

[Siansonea]

I would undoubtedly be a Tevinter Magister.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 24 août 2011 - 06:20 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Mash Mashington wrote...

I'd like to live in Korcari Wilds and have Flemeth as my mommy

There's plenty of room in the hut, and a nice fire to sit by.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Spirits are not "mostly good". They aspire to a virtue with every fibre of their being. Anyone not of this vitrue is almost anathema to them. A spirit of courage hates the cowardly, a spirit of justice hates the unjust. They are not "good", they are virtues incarnate. They are as extreme as the demons.

[dragonflight288]

I'd probably live in the Circle of Magi organized in Orzammar or Ferelden's, were I a mage. If not, then I'd probably live in Highever under the Couslands.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Empress Celene's dress. I'm sure it's spacious enough.

I'm trying to think of what Empress Celene might (and should) look like.

And I remember David Gaider saying that he wants to take this pic and tell the Art team that this is how Celene should look like, about more than a year ago.

[Wulfram]

She looks a bit young for current Celene. Though I suppose it could just be good make up.

[Rifneno]

Daaamn... Next time I play RtO, I'm letting the darkspawn have Cailin. Nobody should have it as good as he got it.

[Sylvianus]

Lol. Now I really want to play in Orlais...

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Empress Celene's dress. I'm sure it's spacious enough.

I'm trying to think of what Empress Celene might (and should) look like.

And I remember David Gaider saying that he wants to take this pic and tell the Art team that this is how Celene should look like, about more than a year ago.

I do not want Celene to look like that. That just doesn't look like a Celene. Definitely looks Orlesian (and English/British also from centuries past), but not what I would want Celene to look like.

It's probably just the hair though that makes me feel that way.