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[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

If people don't like it, don't use Origin.

It's not like it's something that has to be used like foolish Net Neutrality legislation. Now that is something to be worried over.

[N7M]

EA wants to mine application and software usage, what exactly does that mean? Been seeing a bit of speculation about the meaning but has EA specifically said what this means? It just sounds like they want to mine information about their own products and the pc enviroment they are played in. The more sinister conjectures seem like overwrought paranoid imaginings.
Now, gimmie my soma, EA!

[razerdoh2k]

k177sh0t wrote...

 it's good SWTOR won't be using it

what you been smokin'?

SWTOR will use Origin...

[Massadonious1]

razerdoh2k wrote...
what you been smokin'?

SWTOR will use Origin...

Nothing, because he's right.

Originally Posted by Stephen Reid: Bioware Community Manager

Question:Originally Posted by krookie
Thank you for the clarification, Stephen. I have one more question, will we have to install Origin and run it in order to play the game, get updates, etc. even if we purchase a boxed copy?


No, you won't.

While Origin will be the exclusive digital retailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic (in other words, if you want to buy it online and download it, you’ll do so through Origin) that does not mean that Origin is required for you to access or play The Old Republic.

Origin is a digital storefront, and the desktop application is there to give you quick access to Origin exclusives and deals.

However, you won’t need to launch the Origin application to run The Old Republic, nor will you patch the game via Origin. Once the game is on your hard disk, you’ll be connecting to our servers to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to do that.

To answer another question - boxed versions of the game will include the client on DVD(s).

www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php

Modifié par Massadonious1, 25 août 2011 - 08:51 .

[KenKenpachi]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i dont care whos doing it, they all need to STOP. and if i can prevent myself from being a victim to ANOTHER entity, I SHALL.

So long as the internet is in the hands of the civilian populance, it never will stop. It is the single greatest threat in the modern age, to the stability of regions and governements. And frankly Humans weren't ready for it in most cases. Its a massive technological, and socio-political leap. Which funny enough while opening the spread of information and thus making the world more "free" it has had a reverse effect, of galvanizing and leading to the growth of various regional views, and militantism as a whole. And funny enough only empowers those who's overseers don't wish to beat down on so to speal.

Look at the Egypt uprising as example. If not for socialnetworks the protests would have never happend. And they only happend as the Army an Muslim Brotherhood had been in bed for a long time. Once Western Preassure coupled with the protest movement removed Abbas, its funny how soon after they were pushed aside, and attacked not only by the army, but the general population. Effectively an Islamic state has been created.

Funny enough while the west decries China for internet enforcement, South Korea does the same for the most, and as I noted a number of Western Powers have been collecting data for years. And would act on any threats to themselves, as we are seeing in Germany and the UK who are cracking down on huge parts of the social network.

Its easy to praise "Freedom" when you know everything on your opposition, and who's heads to crack. As long as we have the ability to communicate over great distances, and globally, over the internet, someone, somewhere will be watching you. And honestly given the crap I've seen or heard of online I'm really surprised its not more regulated.

[razerdoh2k]

Massadonious1 wrote...

razerdoh2k wrote...
what you been smokin'?

SWTOR will use Origin...

Nothing, because he's right.

Originally Posted by Stephen Reid: Bioware Community Manager

Question:Originally Posted by krookie
Thank you for the clarification, Stephen. I have one more question, will we have to install Origin and run it in order to play the game, get updates, etc. even if we purchase a boxed copy?


No, you won't.

While Origin will be the exclusive digital retailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic (in other words, if you want to buy it online and download it, you’ll do so through Origin) that does not mean that Origin is required for you to access or play The Old Republic.

Origin is a digital storefront, and the desktop application is there to give you quick access to Origin exclusives and deals.

However, you won’t need to launch the Origin application to run The Old Republic, nor will you patch the game via Origin. Once the game is on your hard disk, you’ll be connecting to our servers to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to do that.

To answer another question - boxed versions of the game will include the client on DVD(s).

www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php

I stand corrected

[Deathwurm]

I'm bumping this Thread because the saner, more substantial of the two Threads on this subject has been locked and I feel this is an important matter.

The way this whole issue plays out is going to set the course of the entire PC gaming industry. If EA doesn't change this deeply flawed EULA then other Companies are going to take notice and follow suit and eventually EVERY Company will be writing EULAs that allow them access to all the information contained on your Hard-Drives.

Modifié par Deathwurm, 25 août 2011 - 08:22 .

[fchopin]

I will be uninstalling Origin from my computer tonight.

I hope i don’t have problems running my games.

[Deathwurm]

The other thing that I've just realized and began wondering about (and I'm not even sure it's possible...just don't know enough about how things work to be sure) is will we have to go through Origin not only for new Games, but our older ones as well...I don't want to pop my copy of DA:O in only to find it now has to go through Origin for DRM.

Again, I don't even know if that's a realistic concern or even if soemthing can be "retro'd" like that.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Deathwurm wrote...

The other thing that I've just realized and began wondering about (and I'm not even sure it's possible...just don't know enough about how things work to be sure) is will we have to go through Origin not only for new Games, but our older ones as well...I don't want to pop my copy of DA:O in only to find it now has to go through Origin for DRM.

Again, I don't even know if that's a realistic concern or even if soemthing can be "retro'd" like that.

Currently not, but there is interesting issue with the older games. It tuns out that Origin accepts Steam's game keys for games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dead Space 2, Alice: Madness Returns and Dragon Age 2. Most likely this is to make the transition easier for gamers who want to violate their own privacy voluntarily.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 août 2011 - 10:11 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Currently not, but there is interesting issue with the older games. It tuns out that Origin accepts Steam's game keys for games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dead Space 2, Alice: Madness Returns and Dragon Age 2. Most likely this is to make the transition easier for gamers who want to violate their own privacy voluntarily.

A feature I'm thankful for, TBH. Not only can I now play all my DA:O DLC thanks to Origins (Steam version does not support a beta patch Bioware released), I can download and KEEP game install files rather then being forced to download them every single time.

[LadyAly]

I had and have no Origin account yet - my pre order for ME3 is cancelled and confirmed from EA Customer Account to get my money back.
I told them frankly how pissed I am and why I cancelled the pre order.

I don't think there will be no issues with older games since my keys freom Steam get accepted.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Currently not, but there is interesting issue with the older games. It tuns out that Origin accepts Steam's game keys for games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dead Space 2, Alice: Madness Returns and Dragon Age 2. Most likely this is to make the transition easier for gamers who want to violate their own privacy voluntarily.

A feature I'm thankful for, TBH. Not only can I now play all my DA:O DLC thanks to Origins (Steam version does not support a beta patch Bioware released), I can download and KEEP game install files rather then being forced to download them every single time.

Ah. Yes. Maybe those are the only advantages. I would gladly give up those incoveniences to protect my privacy.

Edit: Of course after a year, EA does not guarantee that you can download those install files if you lost them. Steam has no such limitation.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 août 2011 - 10:48 .

[csfteeeer]

razerdoh2k wrote...

because of one thing in the ToS:

"2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

http://tos.ea.com/le...a/US/en/ORIGIN/

......

I..... you know what?
I think i'm gonna download Origin..... So that EA and Origin can watch me play on Steam the hole day.

[csfteeeer]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

People just like to find any excuse to paint EA as some big, monolithic evil empire so they can justify pirating their games as actually fighting some sort of digital civil rights movement.

So what you're saying is this ToS encourages pirating.

No, they'll pirate regardless.  This however gives them a convenient smokescreen.  So now they can pretend to be digital freedom fighters and Robin Hoods so they can stick it to the man!

It's not about getting free crap, no not at all.

either ways, i dont feel comfortable with EA giving my personal information to people i dont even know or signed up with. I wont be using Origin.

They don't give away personal information.

I'm sorry, i didn't knew you worked for EA.

[Deathwurm]

csfteeeer wrote...

I..... you know what?
I think i'm gonna download Origin..... So that EA and Origin can watch me play on Steam the hole day.

It's nice to get a laugh out of a situation that is really angering me more and more the more I think about it!

Thank You!

[csfteeeer]

Deathwurm wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

I..... you know what?
I think i'm gonna download Origin..... So that EA and Origin can watch me play on Steam the hole day.

It's nice to get a laugh out of a situation that is really angering me more and more the more I think about it!

Thank You!

http://4.bp.blogspot...miling-cat.jpg

That's what i like, take a good laugh out of a rough situation.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 26 août 2011 - 11:07 .

[mousestalker]

I'm not planning on installing Origin at present (no real driving need for any new EA games). If I do, I wish EA well in exploring my personal life. They will discover...I play games. My gaming computer is a dual boot box with linux on the other side. All I use Win 7 for is gaming. The linux data is encrypted, so they won't be able to get to it.

It's not a perfect solution and it shouldn't be necessary, but there you are. If you are worried about EA going through your stuff, you may want to consider having a dedicated PC box for gaming and another computer for work, personal business and school or installing a more secure OS as a dual boot on your existing computer.

[Deathwurm]

mousestalker wrote...
It's not a perfect solution and it shouldn't be necessary, but there you are. If you are worried about EA going through your stuff, you may want to consider having a dedicated PC box for gaming and another computer for work, personal business and school or installing a more secure OS as a dual boot on your existing computer.

That's just far more money than I am willing to spend in order to counter an overly-intrusive unfair EULA.

I really am not worried about how EA will use the information, I'm sure it will simply lead to more Spam in my e-mail, it's more a matter of what happens if they get hacked like the PSN did. I don't do very many things on the Computer that I really need to worry about, but there are others in the House that do use the computer for all sorts of things and it's simply not fair for me to put their info at risk.

The other problem I have is that it's setting a bad precedent...every Company will begin writing EULAs with wording this broad if they see EA getting away with it.

People use the argument that we're already subjected to this kind of thing without being told. My answer to that is that in those cases, the Companies are then in Violation of their own EULAs and there is at least some recourse...although seeing what has happened in the past with sites like Facebook there seem to be few or no consequences.

[mousestalker]

Deathwurm wrote...

That's just far more money than I am willing to spend in order to counter an overly-intrusive unfair EULA.

snip

I'm not arguing your main point, but most distros of linux are free. Linux is very secure. Ubuntu and Mint are both secure, safe, free and easy to install and configure.

I do agree (and lament) with you about the necessity of it.

[CroGamer002]

Well, I really don't care.

I'm buying physical copies.

[Warheadz]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well, I really don't care.

I'm buying physical copies.

If you intend to play on PC, it makes no difference. Even with physical copies you will need Origin in the future.

[Lakhi]

Warheadz wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Well, I really don't care.

I'm buying physical copies.

If you intend to play on PC, it makes no difference. Even with physical copies you will need Origin in the future.

Actually not true War, even for SWTOR origin acts strictly as a distribution service, nothing more. If you have the physical copies then you can forget about origin.

That being said, I wonder what the EULA's for said games will be o.O