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[Lord Sullivan]

Turnip Root wrote...

I'm not breaking any rules.

You guys do this every single time. "Oh I wouldn't pirate it if only *insert BS excuse here*."

Even if EA removes all DRM from their games you guys are still going to find some lame excuse to steal like "I want to try it before I buy it".

Even though the few who actually do end up buying it only do so after a year or so when it's 2 dollars on Steam.

Origin is a exceptional digital distribution service and the claims that EA can steal your personal information are completely BOGUS!
You guys are going to believe it anyways because you need that excuse to whitewash your criminal behaviour.  You guys don't want EA to be good because you know it would make you guys look like the bad guys.

LAMO!

Are you for real?? So if someone dares want to protect their privacy, they are "Piratezzz!!", "CriminalZZZZ!!"
Man you sound like the criminal USA establishment/Goverment... "If you want to protect your privacy and your freedoms... YOU ARE A TERRORIST!!!!"

Get real !!

[Sundance31us]

Software License Agreements: Ignore at Your Own Risk (pdf)
http://www.us-cert.g...g_room/EULA.pdf

You can agree to the EULA’s terms in several ways, depending on the publisher and how it distributes its software. Some of the ways you can “agree” may surprise you, however, because they don’t look or feel anything like signing a contract. You might agree by

• clicking an “I accept” button during the installation process
• opening the shrink wrap software packaging
• breaking the seal on the software CD
• mailing a registration card to the software publisher
• installing the application
• using the application

I recommend reading the article.

[Bryy_Miller]

A big part of it is that a lot of people don't really realize that we actually own very little in this world. We don't own our cars, our houses, even the software on our computers. We just take it for granted that these things are "ours" because nobody is stopping us from doing what we want with them.

[dragonfire100]

Turnip Root wrote...

I'm not breaking any rules.

You guys do this every single time. "Oh I wouldn't pirate it if only *insert BS excuse here*."

Even if EA removes all DRM from their games you guys are still going to find some lame excuse to steal like "I want to try it before I buy it".

Even though the few who actually do end up buying it only do so after a year or so when it's 2 dollars on Steam.

Origin is a exceptional digital distribution service and the claims that EA can steal your personal information are completely BOGUS!
You guys are going to believe it anyways because you need that excuse to whitewash your criminal behaviour.  You guys don't want EA to be good because you know it would make you guys look like the bad guys.

Looks like someone's about to ready for a ban if i were you i would edit those post before i get banned.

[Jack Pipsam]

I am fine with Origin and so far it has served me well.

however I think Bioware NEEDS to but WAR and DAoC in the store to get more sales.

[Bryy_Miller]

Lord Sullivan wrote...
 "If you want to protect your privacy and your freedoms... YOU ARE A TERRORIST!!!!"

That is quite the generalization of a lot of different things you have there.

[billy the squid]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

A big part of it is that a lot of people don't really realize that we actually own very little in this world. We don't own our cars, our houses, even the software on our computers. We just take it for granted that these things are "ours" because nobody is stopping us from doing what we want with them.

If you mean physical ownership compared to legal or equitable ownership then there is a difference. Yes, but suffice to say that one can own a property legally and physically and to a certain extent the same with cars, although the inherent IPs and technological ideas are not yours to re sell, although the car itself is yours to do so.

Software no, you never owned it because it is an IP, you do not have ownership of the IP, you have beeen licensed the right to use it by the licensor, and you own a physical copy as per standard contract law, but the actual design which is placed upon the disk you have no rights over.

Issues of legal physical and equitable ownership are complicated at best, what you own is going to be very much dependant on what the item in question is and how has the item been used. For instance, whist you may own data, on your computer once it is out of your physical possession it is not leaglly yours any longer, if you have accepted to distribute it to a particular company, what happens to it after is largely, out of your control. Yet, if no such agreement has transpired then the data was never authorised to be removed, it is a breach of legal ownership. I have oversimplified somewhat, as it gets far more complicated.

[slimgrin]

I miss the days when you just bought the game and didn't have to jump through hoops or sign up for this or that service or clog up you computer with a bunch of crap.


GoG-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> everyone else.

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 août 2011 - 02:27 .

[lobi]

Turnip Root wrote...

People just like to find any excuse to paint EA as some big, monolithic evil empire so they can justify pirating their games as actually fighting some sort of digital civil rights movement.

Doubleplusgood thinkwise coldstop ungood crimethink. Dutynow Minitrue. bloodsample hairlock.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@slimgrin: I totally agree...sadly, those days will never return...

They can if we take out the internet. Just saying...

[Sundance31us]

[Homebound]

all this hubbub over toys. i think i'll pick up lego as a hobby again.

[Carfax]

The panic over EA Origin is ridiculous.. How many of you people that are ****ting themselves over Origin, use similar software like Steam, AV, registry mechanic, Punkbuster and the host of other software that actively scans your hardrive and collects information?

I'm no fan of EA, but this paranoia is just silly and mostly comes from being uninformed, a long with the very human tendency to bandwagon.

[Carfax]

Luc0s wrote...

Complete BS. Steam has a very different EULA and Valve even explained how their EULA doesn't allow them to scan your entire HDD and sell all the information. In Fact, Valve doesn't sell your information at all. The only people who will get your information is Valve and the compagnies you buy games from (for example Activision if you buy Call of Duty on Steam).

LOL, don't you see the irony in this comment?  "The only people who will get your information is Valve and the companies you buy games from aka third parties."

How is this any different from EA Origin?  Unless you think EA is going to be selling your information to some ad agency 

What EA does is completely different and it's only natural people freak out over it, because the stunt that EA is trying to pull here is goddamn insane.

You are flipping out over nonsense.  Where in the EULA does it say that EA can scan your entire hardrive and sell all the information?

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

[billy the squid]

Carfax wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Complete BS. Steam has a very different EULA and Valve even explained how their EULA doesn't allow them to scan your entire HDD and sell all the information. In Fact, Valve doesn't sell your information at all. The only people who will get your information is Valve and the compagnies you buy games from (for example Activision if you buy Call of Duty on Steam).

LOL, don't you see the irony in this comment?  "The only people who will get your information is Valve and the companies you buy games from aka third parties."

How is this any different from EA Origin?  Unless you think EA is going to be selling your information to some ad agency 

Valve's EULA self restricts data collection to software which interacts with Valve's application EA's does not, any software application or hardware, even peripheral and its use is included in data collection. And EA, like all large companies uses third party agents to provide certain services, such as marketing.

"EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services"

Luc0s wrote...
What EA does is completely different and it's only natural people freak out over it, because the stunt that EA is trying to pull here is goddamn insane.

Carfax wrote...

You are flipping out over nonsense.  Where in the EULA does it say that EA can scan your entire hardrive and sell all the information?

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

The bolded states any and all data can and will be collected. Whilst EA is not strictly liable for the actions of its agents, they are a third party. Technically whilst EA may not distribute the information, without looking at the entire EULA or EA's entire privacy policy and that of the third part agents I don't know if they are bound by the same data distribution restrictions as EA claims it is.

And as to the flipping out over nonsense, unless you have a knowledge of contract law, which I do, I would suggest reading things more carefully before being so naive.

Modifié par billy the squid, 28 août 2011 - 12:04 .

[Carfax]

billy the squid wrote...

Valve's EULA self restricts data collection to software which interacts with Valve's application EA's does not

Um, are you certain about this?  I know for a fact that Steam gathers hardware data as well, since Valve periodically releases updated statistics for hardware configs.

And as to the flipping out over nonsense, unless you have a knowledge of contract law, which I do, I would suggest reading things more carefully before being so naive.

I fully admit I have no indepth knowledge of contract law.  And I do agree that EA's EULA is more expansive than it should be. 

But I don't believe for an instant that EA would do something so stupid as to "sell" peoples' personal information to third parties, as seems to be suggested in threads such as these..  And by personal information, I mean relevant stuff, ie name, address, e-mail etc..  Doing something like that is highly illegal and would ruin them if they were ever caught.

I could care less if they want to know what kind of hardware I have on my computer, or what DX or driver version I'm using..

Things like that I want them to know, as it helps devs to know what kind of hardware gamers are mostly using.

[billy the squid]

Carfax wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Valve's EULA self restricts data collection to software which interacts with Valve's application EA's does not

Um, are you certain about this?  I know for a fact that Steam gathers hardware data as well, since Valve periodically releases updated statistics for hardware configs.

And as to the flipping out over nonsense, unless you have a knowledge of contract law, which I do, I would suggest reading things more carefully before being so naive.

I fully admit I have no indepth knowledge of contract law.  And I do agree that EA's EULA is more expansive than it should be. 

But I don't believe for an instant that EA would do something so stupid as to "sell" peoples' personal information to third parties, as seems to be suggested in threads such as these..  And by personal information, I mean relevant stuff, ie name, address, e-mail etc..  Doing something like that is highly illegal and would ruin them if they were ever caught.

I could care less if they want to know what kind of hardware I have on my computer, or what DX or driver version I'm using..

Things like that I want them to know, as it helps devs to know what kind of hardware gamers are mostly using.

Valve does collect hardware data, but it is only data which pertains to the functioning of the Valve application, same with the software. As you have said, it releases data on hardware configurations. EA is not limited to this, it allows data collection from any software or hardware, it makes no distinction as to whether it interacts with the application or not. If it is on your computer it will be scanned and the data sent to EA.

No, selling data would be a monumentally stupid move on EA's part, they are disingenuous, not stupid. They have a legal department to deal withi this kind of issue. So, I have no idea how they thought that they would get the terms of the EULA through, but I digress.

It is not selling which is at issue, the terms allow EA to distribute the information to any third party agent, as I stated there is no indication that the third party will adhere to the same terms as EA regarding ditribution of personal information, and as EA is not strictly lible for the actions of its agents, there is no ability to tack down who the third party ten passes on one's information to.

It states that the information will not make one personally identifiable, unless it is to protect EA's interests, yet it does not specify what actual data is being sent, which can include anything EA deems to be covered by those terms, which are extreamly broad. Such as IP address, any data on applications installed on the harddrives. ie: those used to crack DRM even if you bought the legitimate copy you would be technically liable for breach of the EULA's terms and any data which is held on the hard drive, it is not just what hardrive configuration you have.

Modifié par billy the squid, 28 août 2011 - 01:15 .

[AwesomePepper67]

Deathwurm wrote...

This is seriously the end of my relationship with any EA games, even Bioware's if this is not reconsidered. As much as I enjoy Bioware's games and want to see how the Mass Effect series concludes, I will not submit myself to such obvious Data Mining.

this



its spyware

[AwesomePepper67]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I'm a little curious as to what you think EA is invading with Origins...I certainly don't recall providing any more info when signing up than I did to, say, BSN. I haven't plugged in any credit card details or anything.

It scans your PC

[billy the squid]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AwesomePepper67 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I'm a little curious as to what you think EA is invading with Origins...I certainly don't recall providing any more info when signing up than I did to, say, BSN. I haven't plugged in any credit card details or anything.

It scans your PC

Other programs do that as well.

Please look at the above explainations for the reasons the EULA has recieved so much criticism, as am begining to loose patience explaining why.

Modifié par billy the squid, 28 août 2011 - 03:50 .