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[Sundance31us]

A little food for thought...

Product registration: A gold mine for marketers
http://www.bankrate..../20030421a1.asp

[slimgrin]

As long as EA insists on stuffing their advertising and DRM restrictions down my throat, they will always suck in my book. After ME3, there will never be another EA game I'm interested in. Oh and one more time:

CDP and GoG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->EA



With these kind of business practices, EA is openly encouraging piracy.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 août 2011 - 04:37 .

[dragonfire100]

Carfax wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Complete BS. Steam has a very different EULA and Valve even explained how their EULA doesn't allow them to scan your entire HDD and sell all the information. In Fact, Valve doesn't sell your information at all. The only people who will get your information is Valve and the compagnies you buy games from (for example Activision if you buy Call of Duty on Steam).

LOL, don't you see the irony in this comment?  "The only people who will get your information is Valve and the companies you buy games from aka third parties."

How is this any different from EA Origin?  Unless you think EA is going to be selling your information to some ad agency 

What EA does is completely different and it's only natural people freak out over it, because the stunt that EA is trying to pull here is goddamn insane.

You are flipping out over nonsense.  Where in the EULA does it say that EA can scan your entire hardrive and sell all the information?

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

Nonsense?post reported.

[dragonfire100]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

As long as EA insists on stuffing their advertising and DRM restrictions down my throat, they will always suck in my book. After ME3, there will never be another EA game I'm interested in. Oh and one more time:

CDP and GoG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->EA



With these kind of business practices, EA is openly encouraging piracy.

Good for you.

And EA doesn't care for what one consumer has to say.

Then that just means they dont care about there fans anyway origin needs some work while steam is great to use.

[Sundance31us]

dragonfire100 wrote...
Nonsense?post reported.

Why was that post reported? I don't see how it qualified for any of the "What are you reporting?" items:

• Hate Speech
• Violent or Vulgar
• Child Solicitation
• Terrorist Threat
• Client Hack
• Harassment
• Plagiarism
• Broken or Corrupt Content
• Spam
• Bad Name
• Cheating

[Deathwurm]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

As long as EA insists on stuffing their advertising and DRM restrictions down my throat, they will always suck in my book. After ME3, there will never be another EA game I'm interested in. Oh and one more time:

CDP and GoG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->EA



With these kind of business practices, EA is openly encouraging piracy.

Good for you.

And EA doesn't care for what one consumer has to say.

What they say, no. What they buy? Yes.

There are quite a few people who I've seen mention on a lot of different Forums (including EA's own) that they cancelled their orders for BF3 and I'm sure there are more that have just done it and not said why. That has to hurt a bit.

Alienating your customers in the present economy is beyond Bad Business...it's Corporate Suicide. I don't care about or respect EA very much at all. I'm a fan of Bioware's games, that's really the only contact I have with EA. It's a shame that a good Studio will lose out in this whole thing.

I have to finally ask the question I've been trying to avoid here Big Bad Wolf: Why do you feel the need to be such an active Apologist for EA?

[vometia]

Deathwurm wrote...

What they say, no. What they buy? Yes.

There are quite a few people who I've seen mention on a lot of different Forums (including EA's own) that they cancelled their orders for BF3 and I'm sure there are more that have just done it and not said why. That has to hurt a bit.

Alienating your customers in the present economy is beyond Bad Business...it's Corporate Suicide. I don't care about or respect EA very much at all. I'm a fan of Bioware's games, that's really the only contact I have with EA. It's a shame that a good Studio will lose out in this whole thing.

That's true.  There's quite a lot of companies who no longer exist who thought they didn't need to care about what their customers think because they have so many of them.  It's rather sad, some were actually good companies before they made the mistake of declaring that they were too important to bother about what "a few malcontents" had to say.

I dunno; if it was possible for a corporate entity to have paranoia, EA certainly fits the bill.

[dragonfire100]

Sundance31us wrote...

dragonfire100 wrote...
Nonsense?post reported.

Why was that post reported? I don't see how it qualified for any of the "What are you reporting?" items:

• Hate Speech
• Violent or Vulgar
• Child Solicitation
• Terrorist Threat
• Client Hack
• Harassment
• Plagiarism
• Broken or Corrupt Content
• Spam
• Bad Name
• Cheating

Hate speech saying stuff like "oh what you said is nonsense"is an insult bioware dont let insults in this site.

[dragonfire100]

But im done changeing topic so lets get back to it.

[Carfax]

LOL, go ahead and call the teacher if it makes you feel any better Won't change a damn thing..

[Bryy_Miller]

Do video games really matter *this* much to people?

[slimgrin]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do video games really matter *this* much to people?

A copout argument. Suddenly you take the 'high' ground and the rest of us are nerds? When people spend money, yes it matters. If I have to dick around with a third party clients for a game that I have bought before I can play it. It matters.  If I have to be online constantly to play a single player campaign, of course it matters. Fine if you think this is all fair. I don't. I'm no dupe to be monitered or milked for my cash. 

[vometia]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do video games really matter *this* much to people?

Yes, actually.

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do video games really matter *this* much to people?

A copout argument. Suddenly you take the 'high' ground and the rest of us are nerds? When people spend money, yes it matters. If I have to dick around with a third party clients for a game that I have bought before I can play it. It matters.  If I have to be online constantly to play a single player campaign, of course it matters. Fine if you think this is all fair. I don't. I'm no dupe to be monitered or milked for my cash. 

That usually what he does haven't you noticed?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

AwesomePepper67 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I'm a little curious as to what you think EA is invading with Origins...I certainly don't recall providing any more info when signing up than I did to, say, BSN. I haven't plugged in any credit card details or anything.

It scans your PC

Thank you for providing a straight answer.

I can understand why this would be concerning to some, depending on what the parent company says it does with the mined data.

[Mike_Neel]

I won't download or use Origin.

Not that I'm worried though. I'm not being hateful here and I know Bioware is an EA company here, but I really doubt Origin is going to succeed. It's going to fail and fail hard. Unlike Steam it only has EA games, and while that's still a large library, EA focuses more on console sales than PC sales, so while I'm sure some TOR people will get Origin solely for TOR, and maybe a decent amount will get it for BF3, in the end it won't be enough to sustain itself or compete with Steam. Unless they are awful about it and have active ads popping up when you're browsing the internet or in the middle of playing a game Origin probably wont be able to sustain itself. Of course it won't be immediate, they'll stoop to subscription fees before the big fail, though I doubt they'll be so evil as to require you pay to play any or all of your ea games, not just online ones, but it will probably be something like a plus subscription where you get DLC and demos early, and some products or DLC will have special plus subscribers only deals for discounts and junk.

[N7M]

Regardless of the realities or fantasies of Origin's mining, many EA consumers are agitated. Hopefully, EA clarifies exactly what data Origin is mining. Would even like to see an independant evenhanded technical article on the subject instead of the yellow journalism published so far.

[Sundance31us]

I already knew such clauses existed in EULAs, so when I decided to play games that required programs like Steam and Origin I purchased/built a computer specifically for gaming.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

weirder wrote...

Regardless of the realities or fantasies of Origin's mining, many EA consumers are agitated. Hopefully, EA clarifies exactly what data Origin is mining. Would even like to see an independant evenhanded technical article on the subject instead of the yellow journalism published so far.

Agreed.

[Bryy_Miller]

slimgrin wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do video games really matter *this* much to people?

A copout argument. Suddenly you take the 'high' ground and the rest of us are nerds? When people spend money, yes it matters. If I have to dick around with a third party clients for a game that I have bought before I can play it. It matters.  If I have to be online constantly to play a single player campaign, of course it matters. Fine if you think this is all fair. I don't. I'm no dupe to be monitered or milked for my cash. 

It's not a cop-out argument, I fully understand that I get heated in these debates, too, but seriously, after a while, it just becomes ridiculous to continue going on about it. In the grand scheme of things, it's just not that important. 

To clarify, if you are against Origin, fine. But continuing to go on the internet to rally against something you have no intention of using... I'm just a little baffled that threads like these get up to as many pages as they do.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 29 août 2011 - 07:14 .

[Chromie]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do video games really matter *this* much to people?

A copout argument. Suddenly you take the 'high' ground and the rest of us are nerds? When people spend money, yes it matters. If I have to dick around with a third party clients for a game that I have bought before I can play it. It matters.  If I have to be online constantly to play a single player campaign, of course it matters. Fine if you think this is all fair. I don't. I'm no dupe to be monitered or milked for my cash. 

It's not a cop-out argument, I fully understand that I get heated in these debates, too, but seriously, after a while, it just becomes ridiculous to continue going on about it. In the grand scheme of things, it's just not that important. 

To clarify, if you are against Origin, fine. But continuing to go on the internet to rally against something you have no intention of using... I'm just a little baffled that threads like these get up to as many pages as they do.

Well if people didn't bump threads with posts maybe it would die.

[Bryy_Miller]

Ringo12 wrote...


Well if people didn't bump threads with posts maybe it would die.

Clever try, but this is an EA Hate thread. It will never die.

(And yes, I realize what I just wrote in comparison to my last posts)

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 29 août 2011 - 07:29 .

[vometia]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Clever try, but this is an EA Hate thread. It will never die.

I don't think having concerns about Origin's EULA counts as a "hate thread".

[Homebound]

this whole thing feels like im getting scammed/datamined to use a product that i dont want in the first place...like jumping into a pool of gasoline while being on fire.