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[shepskisaac]

Continuation of the discussion that started here in the sticky Twitter Thread. Mac Walters confirmed that the Reapers began their FTL journey towards the Galaxy after ME1 and that the Human-Reaper was never suppoused to be the new Vanguard.

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106371078473003008
"I thought they were too far out in dark space to just fly into the galaxy. Or should I wait and see when #ME3 releases? :)"

"#ME3 That one I can answer. Shepard's actions in #me1 stopped them from using relays. By time of arrival they had come via FTL."

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469649889247232
"Was the Human-Reaper in #ME2 a new Vanguard? Or did the Reapers begin their FTL-return right after #ME1?"

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Please continue the discussion here to avoid cluttering the Twitter Thread.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 25 août 2011 - 05:24 .

[Annihilator27]

Man they must be really far out there.

[Anacronian Stryx]

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Well I'm glad that it's official that the reapers started FTL towards the galaxy by the end of ME1.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Well I'm glad that it's official that the reapers started FTL towards the galaxy by the end of ME1.

Doesn't mean they don't still need to put that bit of info in the games, though.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Well I'm glad that it's official that the reapers started FTL towards the galaxy by the end of ME1.

Doesn't mean they don't still need to put that bit of info in the games, though.

Actually i think most of the confusion stems from that cut scene at the end of ME 2 many people interpret the scene as the reapers waking up(stupid shadow passing over them) and getting underway instead of being under way the whole time - Note to the future : If you wanna have a exposition cut scene then be sure the message is clear.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 25 août 2011 - 05:39 .

[KevShep]

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????

Are the reapers the most stupid beings in history???????????????
  

Modifié par KevShep, 25 août 2011 - 05:54 .

[Annihilator27]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Well I'm glad that it's official that the reapers started FTL towards the galaxy by the end of ME1.

Doesn't mean they don't still need to put that bit of info in the games, though.

Actually i think most of the confusion stems from that cut scene at the end of ME 2 many people interpret the scene as the reapers waking up(stupid shadow passing over them) and getting underway instead of being under way the whole time - Note to the future : If you wanna have a exposition cut scene then be sure the message is clear.

Thats what I thought they were doing.Waking up.But now theres an explanation.

[Candidate 88766]

Sovereign obviously thought civilization was 'ripe' for harvesting when it first contacted the Keepers, a couple of thousand years before the events of ME1. This means that civilization has had a couple of thousand years more to develop technology than the Reapers would otherwise want, but we are still nowhere near the level of technology the Protheans had - the Beacons, the Conduit. Thats slightly worrying, seeing as the Protheans were more advanced and still failed. Although I guess the current civilization has at least been forewarned.

[Candidate 88766]

annihilator27 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Well I'm glad that it's official that the reapers started FTL towards the galaxy by the end of ME1.

Doesn't mean they don't still need to put that bit of info in the games, though.

Actually i think most of the confusion stems from that cut scene at the end of ME 2 many people interpret the scene as the reapers waking up(stupid shadow passing over them) and getting underway instead of being under way the whole time - Note to the future : If you wanna have a exposition cut scene then be sure the message is clear.

Thats what I thought they were doing.Waking up.But now theres an explanation.

Yeah, it must just show them travelling. Showing them at FTL speeds wouldn't make a very good cutscene.

[Candidate 88766]

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????  

Presumably while the other reapers were dormant Sovereign had no means of contacting them - otherwise they'd have just arrived via FTL. I'm guessing the only way to contact the Reapers when they in hibernation and so far into space is through the Citadel, which explains why Sovereign was so keen to get to it.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 25 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[KevShep]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????  

Presumably while the other reapers were dormant Sovereign had no means of contacting them - otherwise they'd have just arrived via FTL. I'm guessing the only way to contact the Reapers when they in hibernation and so far into space is through the Citadel, which explains why Sovereign was so keen to get to it.

But Harbringer is awake!

[Candidate 88766]

KevShep wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????  

Presumably while the other reapers were dormant Sovereign had no means of contacting them - otherwise they'd have just arrived via FTL. I'm guessing the only way to contact the Reapers when they in hibernation and so far into space is through the Citadel, which explains why Sovereign was so keen to get to it.

But Harbringer is awake!

Only during ME2, after Sovereign is destroyed. As soon as Sovereign was lost, the Reapers started travelling to the Alpha Relay via FTL speeds - according to Mac's tweet. Before Sovereign was destroyed, we have to assume the Reapers were still in hibernation. So it makes sense that when Sovereign reached the Citadel it had time to awaken the other Reapers but not enough time to open the Relay.

[maxpowers2525]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????  

Presumably while the other reapers were dormant Sovereign had no means of contacting them - otherwise they'd have just arrived via FTL. I'm guessing the only way to contact the Reapers when they in hibernation and so far into space is through the Citadel, which explains why Sovereign was so keen to get to it.

But Harbringer is awake!

Only during ME2, after Sovereign is destroyed. As soon as Sovereign was lost, the Reapers started travelling to the Alpha Relay via FTL speeds - according to Mac's tweet. Before Sovereign was destroyed, we have to assume the Reapers were still in hibernation. So it makes sense that when Sovereign reached the Citadel it had time to awaken the other Reapers but not enough time to open the Relay.

What about the collectors though i got the impression they have been around for a while were they not under harbingers controll then?

[Anacronian Stryx]

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????

Are the reapers the most stupid beings in history???????????????
  

Why the hell do so many people think that Soverign spend hundreds of years trying to figure out what was wrong with the keepers?

Soverign tried to contact the keepers just before the start of ME 1.

[xentar]

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????

Are the reapers the most stupid beings in history???????????????
  

I don't really get it why entities with the reapers' background and apparent intelligence ever got personal with someone, potentially putting themselves at risk over their suddenly appearing egos. Doesn't make sense.

[KevShep]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????

Are the reapers the most stupid beings in history???????????????
  

Why the hell do so many people think that Soverign spend hundreds of years trying to figure out what was wrong with the keepers?

Soverign tried to contact the keepers just before the start of ME 1.

No he did not....Sovereign was behind the rachni wars which were hundreds of years ago.

[Candidate 88766]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Why the hell do so many people think that Soverign spend hundreds of years trying to figure out what was wrong with the keepers?

Soverign tried to contact the keepers just before the start of ME 1.

Thats a point - I always believed that Sovereign contacted the Reapers a few thousand years before ME1. We know it wasn't right before because we know Sovereign worked for centuries trying to work out why the signal failed (because of what Vigil told us, and Vigil was exposition in an avatar), but we don't know exactly when it tried to contact the Keepers. Considering there is a 50,000 year gap between the Cycles, a few hundred years is pretty negligible and fits in with Chorban's email that the signal should go off 'around now'.

There is that vague evidence that Sovereign was behind the Rachni Wars, almost 2200 years before ME1, but we don't know if that was before or after it contacted the Keepers - it could've just been to see how strong the Rachni were, as Sovereign may not have even known about them before their Relay was opened. However, if it was after the Keepers failed then the Rachni Wars could have been instigated to try and weaken the Citadel's defences, or cause them to be used elsewhere. However, we don't yet know if the Rachni Wars occurred before or after the Keepers failed to respond to Sovereign's signal.

Edit: looking through the ME timeline, it seems likely that the Rachni Wars were before Sovereign contacted the Keepers - some species were only just reaching the Citadel, so civilization had yet to reach its apex. The War was most likely instigated to assess which side was stronger and whether any were worthy of becoming a Reaper - the Citadel cilivizations, or the Rachni.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 25 août 2011 - 06:19 .

[maxpowers2525]

It would make sense that the reapers have backup plans however their does seem to be some plot holes here hopefully 3 will answer all

[Anacronian Stryx]

KevShep wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

KevShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

quote]twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."
[/quote

This does not make sense! Sovereign spent "several hundred years" trying to build allies and figure out why the keepers are not responding. Sovereign spent alot of that time manipulating events in order to reopen the relay. 

They could have in fact just came through FTL like they did. Now that sovereign "revealed" himself(which is stupid by the way) we as organics are now aware of the reapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have just come in FTL and we would not have know about them in the first place. BIOWARE....why is this???????

Are the reapers the most stupid beings in history???????????????
  

Why the hell do so many people think that Soverign spend hundreds of years trying to figure out what was wrong with the keepers?

Soverign tried to contact the keepers just before the start of ME 1.

No he did not....Sovereign was behind the rachni wars which were hundreds of years ago.

There can be a gazillion reasons as to why the reapers started the war with the rachni but we know one thing for sure and that is that it had nothing to do with gaining access to the citadel nor the keepers. 

From: Chorban
I hope this address still works. I promised to send you intel on the keepers if I found anything, and this is important. See, those scans you took? It turns out the keepers are bio-engineered...and based on my comparisons to some of that material from Saren's flagship Soverign, they were engineered millions of years ago...by the same people who made Sovereign!

You may not understand how important this is, but it suggests that the Citadel wasn't really made by the Protheons! It may have been made by something Far older, with the keepers as organic guardians. And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand years. You can measure genetic variances; it's a bit like comparing rings on a tree to see the drought years.

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

Just thought you'd want to know. Nobody here on the Citadel will listen to me.

-Chorban


Around Now,,NOT 2000 years ago.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 25 août 2011 - 06:18 .

[maxpowers2525]

i want to know how they get from the alpha relay to earth in just 6 months looking at the gm that looks like a huge space to travel even at ftl

[Candidate 88766]

maxpowers2525 wrote...

i want to know how they get from the alpha relay to earth in just 6 months looking at the gm that looks like a huge space to travel even at ftl

Normal ships can travel like 4000 times the speed of light, so I imagine the Reapers can travel even faster than that.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

maxpowers2525 wrote...

i want to know how they get from the alpha relay to earth in just 6 months looking at the gm that looks like a huge space to travel even at ftl

Normal ships can travel like 4000 times the speed of light, so I imagine the Reapers can travel even faster than that.

As far as i know the only solid figure we have is 200 times C not 4000, But the statement stands nobody knows how fast the reapers FTL is.

[mranderson25]

With all this talk about the HR, I cant help but think "How exactly was it supposed to fly?'

In my mind I picture it flying around the galaxy like Astro Boy, which kinda just makes it seem silly...