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[Pride Demon]

Mesina2 wrote...

My question is, why did Reapers even bother?

They could have just start doing it few years later without risk to lose base and Collectors.
And Human Reaper couldn't be completed before their arrival and even if it could, so what?
1 extra Reaper in this cycle is nothing since there's 1000s of Reapers.

I wrote something regarding that in this old thread...

The post is long, but basically it was probably because the Reapers know they have to use brute force to capture the galaxy now, for reaperification they seem to need live (as implied by the SM) subjects...
By using the Collectors stealth attacks to spirit away as many humans as possible, they are both starting a work that is long overdue already and also lessen the need to be careful while handling the war: if too many human die, their numbers will become eventually too few to sustain reaperification (just like the Drell), but if most of the work is done, they don't need all that many humans to survive anymore...

Fightinga total war on multiple fronts while at the same time having to take care not to kill too many of the "cattle" can be a problem even for millennia old superintelligent sentient starships...
They'll need to take their time, and that time is what will allow Shepard to save Earth...

It's just my opinion though, I guess in ME3 we'll find out for certain... ;P

Modifié par Pride Demon, 26 août 2011 - 01:00 .

[Rahmiel]

Pride Demon wrote...
It's just my opinion though, I guess in ME3 we'll find out for certain... ;P

I seriously thought you were quoting Joker there when I started reading it.  Figured that was the best way to end a lengthy post

"It's just my opinion though... no need spreading it around."

[el master pr]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Hmmmmm......major plot holes ahead.

Here's the problem. If the Reapers can zip into the galaxy after only two years of travel (6 months if we're talking about the Alpha Relay), then what was the need for the Collectors? Again, another piece of plot information reveals that the O4R mission an absolute waste. It really looks like Shepard wasted valuable time, resources and personnel (if any of your sqauddies died) chasing the Collectors around the Terminus and into the Galactic Core. It also makes the Human Reaper project look like an even more ridiculous concept.

And this also makes Sovereign's actions look more than a little stupid. The Rachni Wars, and the Geth? What the hell did he need them for if he had the Alpha Relay? In fact, the Reapers as a whole come off as being a little stupid in light of this info.

If this was an effort to explain things..............well it only makes you question the Reaper's logic.

Yes, obvious plot holes one san see a million miles away. And poeple wonder why I dislike ME2...

Reapers come of as Psychols from Battlefield Earth (NC review)
www.youtube.com/watch

Remember, there were no leads on the Reapers at the beginning of ME2. If there had been a lead about how to stop them, I'm sure Shepard would have acted on it. TIM had a suspicion that the Collectors were working for the Reapers since Liara and Feron retrieved Shepard's body from one of the Shadow Broker's bases in ME: Redemption. This comic revealed the Collector's interest in Shepard's body, which in turn was Harbinger's interest since he was in direct control of the Collector on the deal.

The plot is not broken, and there are no plotholes. It just follows another line of narrative apart from ME1, and focuses on stopping the Collectors from abducting entire human colonies. Turns out that the Collectors were Protheans repurposed by the Reapers to do their dirty work in the galaxy while they are in dark space. This time, they were doing a Human Reaper.

So, why do the Reapers need the Collectors? Remember at the beginning of ME2 when someone said that the Collectors rarely come out of the Omega-4 Relay?

ME wiki says...

It has been speculated that the Collectors make these strange requests because of strange fetishes or gruesome culinary tastes. However, it is more likely that they perform genetic experiments on these subjects, possibly testing their viability for use in the creation of a Reaper. Regardless of the possible danger, their requests are often granted by fringe groups because the technology the Collectors offer in return is often extremely valuable, giving any race who receives it an immediate advantage before it becomes adapted to the galactic community.

I don't know how you see this, but for me it makes perfect sense. You may be asking yourself who made the other Reapers on anterior cycles, but it doesn't matter at all. What matters is that this cycle can be averted. And that's what we'll be doing in ME3.

Modifié par el master pr, 26 août 2011 - 04:09 .

[TMA LIVE]

Taking out the Collectors is not pointless. Before Arrival, any leads you have on the Reapers is the Collectors. And that's it. And they're abducting hundreds of thousands of humans, and would have continued for whatever purpose the Reapers planned. Until the Reapers arrive, that's all you can do as one soldier with the rank of Commander. Investigate any leads you can find, obtain information, and stop any plans the Reapers have before they arrive. You might be a symbol, and someone of respect, but no one besides Wrex is going to be building an army for you, just because you say Reapers will be coming one day. That just isn't going to happen. Especially when you're forced to work for Cerberus after disappearing for 2 years, and reappearing from a Cerberus vessel.

By going after the Collectors, you obtain Reaper information, obtain their technology, obtain their weaponry, and take out a Reaper private army, while also stopping an attack on your race. Which is the best one dead soldier can do before the Reapers can arrive.

[The Interloper]

Halo Quea wrote...

Hmmmmm......major plot holes ahead.

Here's the problem. If the Reapers can zip into the galaxy after only two years of travel (6 months if we're talking about the Alpha Relay), then what was the need for the Collectors? Again, another piece of plot information reveals that the O4R mission an absolute waste. It really looks like Shepard wasted valuable time, resources and personnel (if any of your sqauddies died) chasing the Collectors around the Terminus and into the Galactic Core. It also makes the Human Reaper project look like an even more ridiculous concept.

And this also makes Sovereign's actions look more than a little stupid. The Rachni Wars, and the Geth? What the hell did he need them for if he had the Alpha Relay? In fact, the Reapers as a whole come off as being a little stupid in light of this info.

If this was an effort to explain things..............well it only makes you question the Reaper's logic.

The collectors were the Reaper's endgame. They were getting a start on the harvasting operation that was supposed to continue while the Reapers killed everyone.

The reason Soverign was so intent on using the citadel when the Reapers could get there by themselves was efficiency. The keepers failed, but he can have another go at using Plan A, and if that fails again, the rest of the Reapers can still walk there. Which is exactly what happened.

Dunno about the Rachni.

ME has plotholes, but the Reapers aren't one of them. And we still don't really know where they came from or what they want.

[Reever]

Why the misconception that Sovereign has signaled the Reapers already looong before ME1?
I´m not the most attentive gamer, but I think I would´ve remembered someone saying this ingame (although I can´t say I read all the codex entries thoroughly...).

[Candidate 88766]

BlueDemonX wrote...

Why the misconception that Sovereign has signaled the Reapers already looong before ME1?
I´m not the most attentive gamer, but I think I would´ve remembered someone saying this ingame (although I can´t say I read all the codex entries thoroughly...).

We know from what Vigil (essentially exposition in an avatar) said that Sovereign may have spent centuries forumulating a plan when it realised it couldn't contact the Keepers and so couldn't contact the other Reapers. However, we can assume that while Sovereign was involved in some capacity in instigating the Rachni Wars it did this before attempting to contact the Keepers. We can assume this because, as Mac said in one of the tweets the Reapers are called for when civilization is 'ripe' - as Sovereign puts it, the 'apex of their glory' - but when the Rachni Wars took place many species were only just arriving at the Citadel. Some, like humanity or the Krogan, hadn't even achieved spaceflight independantly. Civilization was nowhere near being 'ripe', so I'm almost certain that Sovereign contacting the Keepers took place long after this. A few decades, maybe even centuries, before ME1, but not as long ago as the Rachni Wars.

I guess that the Rachni War was started simply so Sovereign could assess the viability of both sides - the Citadel species, or the Rachni. The victorious side would then probably be considered more favourably when it eventually came to deciding whether any species were viable as Reapers. Or maybe Sovereign thought that civilization would become too powerful if the Rachni joined the Citadel species and so instigated a war to ensure that the power of both sides was kept in check whilst the other species made their eventual way towards spaceflight and the Citadel.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 août 2011 - 06:28 .

[Reever]

Yep, my bad. Have refreshed my memory and have read again of what Vigil informed us. Still, centuries aren´t millennia!

And I´d rather agree with your 2nd option, that together they would have been too much (or there are perhaps other reasons, we will see in ME3).