"Humanity" did not create the Reapers.
Stop sucking the teat of bad scifi shows.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .
Mastone wrote...
I think that humanity created the reapers, the relays and the citadel...not current humanity of course, but an ancient civilization( somewhat like the mayans inca's and what not)
And that we had the same conflict as the quarians and the geth have and almost beat the reapers, but they send some biological weapon to wipe us out ( aka the cold like in war of the worlds LOL) which it nearly did, save for let's say 60 000 people, after the reapers believed our civilization ended the reapers went to the far regions of space but after let's say 100000 years another organic species reached their full potential, found out about humanity being destroyed by the reapers ( without knowing the full backstory...meaning humanity wanted to wipe out the machines before they got to dangerous...think matrix) and considered the reapers to be a threat and attacked , after a hard battle the reapers just barely won and wiped out this civilization as well..not for gain but for survival.
After this last act of war started by organics the reapers studied "organics" and found that on average a civilization needed 50000 years to reach its apex and therefore been considered a threat to the survival of the reapers, they also found that organics had one quality they as machines didn't have and sorely missed and that is creativity ( from songs to paintings, to imagining things which leads to new discoveries), they only have logic and they found out that it wasn't enough to maintain their survival and that they needed the creative input of organics and decided to absorb organic civilizations in order to stay ahead of the curve..basic survival.
Humanity in the meantime had forgotten about their past ( the same as we really don''t know much about our origins really) and started building their civilization again, when they discovered the relays and shepard defeated the reapers in ME1 the reapers recognised their old enemy again and decide to destroy the one human who could thwart them and killed him in ME2( through the collectors), at the start of ME3 the reapers find out that there is something hidden on earth which could drive out the reapers from known space or at least have vital knowledge about their origins and how they are build at the end of the game shepard get's this info and you get a mission somewhat the same as the omega 4 relay ( one with a deadline), by guess it recquires a sacrifice in the end( a bit like the story of jezus, one man dying to save the eniter galaxy/humanity), if you're a Paragon you do it yourself, if you are a renegade you order Vega to do it( since he is basically the same as you), if you are neutral/sole survivor, Vega willingly unasked by you sacrifices himself.
It's just a guess though
Edit:
It would be fun if the illusive man redeems himself and that he gives you the info which triggers the final mission
Mastone wrote...
@Killjoy Cutter and 111987 :
We really don't have a clue about our origins when it comes down to it, there are records of civilizations in the real world with advanced knowledge of math while we thought they were still banging a stick against a cave wall.
The same goes for our origin and evolution, perspectives change, methods change but we still haven't found a definite answer to all of this.
It could be that after the earliest civilization of humanity didn't even originate from earth and if I apply it to the game, it could be that a remnant of humanity fled to earth( maybe only a dozen or something) and left our DNA imprint in some container, which later was found by the protheans whom at that time were looking for a way to beat the reapers, found out about the origins of them( meaning that we created them) and traced the remnants of humanity ( who were gone by then) to earth and used the data to recreate humanity, they realised however that we wouldn't be "ready"in such a short time and therefore left clues lying around in the universe as to how to beat the reapers.
Not saying that this is the theory of course, but it would explain as to why the reapers are so interested in us, sure Shepard killed one of them, but why would they care?
They are well in the thousands if not miljons in number, have technology ( indoctrination LOL ) we could never even dream off ( like fighting a nuclear missile with a stick) and they know it I mean it took everything "we "had to take down one stupid reaper.
Unless there is something about humanity, maybe that old fear that our predeccesors nearly beat them, which makes them target humanity.
Again I am not sure that this is the theory ( there are countless possibilities, the only thing I do hope is that we won't do timetravel or something stupid like that, but I do know there is some unrevealed link between humans and the reapers( albeit through the Protheans)
Mastone wrote...
@Killjoy Cutter and 111987 :
We really don't have a clue about our origins when it comes down to it, there are records of civilizations in the real world with advanced knowledge of math while we thought they were still banging a stick against a cave wall.
The same goes for our origin and evolution, perspectives change, methods change but we still haven't found a definite answer to all of this.
It could be that after the earliest civilization of humanity didn't even originate from earth and if I apply it to the game, it could be that a remnant of humanity fled to earth( maybe only a dozen or something) and left our DNA imprint in some container, which later was found by the protheans whom at that time were looking for a way to beat the reapers, found out about the origins of them( meaning that we created them) and traced the remnants of humanity ( who were gone by then) to earth and used the data to recreate humanity, they realised however that we wouldn't be "ready"in such a short time and therefore left clues lying around in the universe as to how to beat the reapers.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 septembre 2011 - 04:57 .
111987 wrote...
Your argument, I'm sorry to say, makes no sense. The oldest known fossil of a human was Lucy, and was found to have lived 3.2 million years ago. Lucy was an Australopithecus and was nowhere near the physical and mental level of modern-day humans.
So that destroys an possibility of that.
If humans came to Earth as a spot of refuge, why wouldn't they retain at least some of their technology? Why would they suddenly devolve?
The Reapers have been interested in hundreds if not thousands of other species in the past. Each Reaper core is based on a species they found interesting or full of potential, like humanity.
LOL yes ( plays X files tune )LOLKilljoy Cutter wrote...
Mastone wrote...
@Killjoy Cutter and 111987 :
We really don't have a clue about our origins when it comes down to it, there are records of civilizations in the real world with advanced knowledge of math while we thought they were still banging a stick against a cave wall.
The same goes for our origin and evolution, perspectives change, methods change but we still haven't found a definite answer to all of this.
It could be that after the earliest civilization of humanity didn't even originate from earth and if I apply it to the game, it could be that a remnant of humanity fled to earth( maybe only a dozen or something) and left our DNA imprint in some container, which later was found by the protheans whom at that time were looking for a way to beat the reapers, found out about the origins of them( meaning that we created them) and traced the remnants of humanity ( who were gone by then) to earth and used the data to recreate humanity, they realised however that we wouldn't be "ready"in such a short time and therefore left clues lying around in the universe as to how to beat the reapers.
Oh, you're one of those.Nevermind.
Mastone wrote...
111987 wrote...
Your argument, I'm sorry to say, makes no sense. The oldest known fossil of a human was Lucy, and was found to have lived 3.2 million years ago. Lucy was an Australopithecus and was nowhere near the physical and mental level of modern-day humans.
So that destroys an possibility of that.
If humans came to Earth as a spot of refuge, why wouldn't they retain at least some of their technology? Why would they suddenly devolve?
The Reapers have been interested in hundreds if not thousands of other species in the past. Each Reaper core is based on a species they found interesting or full of potential, like humanity.
The alternative is that we as human beings are just so effing special ( better than Krogan, Asari, Salarians and Turians) that we outshine all other races and that the reapers just got to have us, because we are the pinnacle of organic evolution...yes I am being sarcastic.
That human reaper in ME2 was just bollocks and I really hope that the collector general just misread the blueprint as to how to make a reaper ( had the drawing upside down or something).
I just hope they have a better story than ME 2 up their sleeves.( ME 1 had a good story with a nice twist at the end)
And I really do hope we fight the reapers this time and not some indoctrinated crap
Mastone wrote...
The alternative is that we as human beings are just so effing special ( better than Krogan, Asari, Salarians and Turians) that we outshine all other races and that the reapers just got to have us, because we are the pinnacle of organic evolution...yes I am being sarcastic.
Purge the heathens wrote...
Mastone wrote...
The alternative is that we as human beings are just so effing special ( better than Krogan, Asari, Salarians and Turians) that we outshine all other races and that the reapers just got to have us, because we are the pinnacle of organic evolution...yes I am being sarcastic.
On one hand, you mock the idea that humans are the superior species of the galaxy, but on the other, you suggest that protheans recreated us as some kind of "Project Messiah." I find that somewhat contradictory. Besides, asari, turians, hanar etc. should have already been around at the same time. Assuming the part of your theory where humans created the Reapers is true, who would you, as the protheans, put your hopes in? A new species or the one that already got its *beep* kicked by the Reapers, is responsible for the whole problem in the first place and, if recreated by you, could possibly never find a single clue about its own heritage until it's already too late? And sure enough, none have been provided so far.
Also, shouldn't there have been some kind of warning on Mars or a VI like Vigil? "Hello! In the distant past, your species built immortal, sentient, malevolent, genocidal cuttlefish and now we'd like you to clean up your mess."
Mastone wrote...
Purge the heathens wrote...
Mastone wrote...
The alternative is that we as human beings are just so effing special ( better than Krogan, Asari, Salarians and Turians) that we outshine all other races and that the reapers just got to have us, because we are the pinnacle of organic evolution...yes I am being sarcastic.
On one hand, you mock the idea that humans are the superior species of the galaxy, but on the other, you suggest that protheans recreated us as some kind of "Project Messiah." I find that somewhat contradictory. Besides, asari, turians, hanar etc. should have already been around at the same time. Assuming the part of your theory where humans created the Reapers is true, who would you, as the protheans, put your hopes in? A new species or the one that already got its *beep* kicked by the Reapers, is responsible for the whole problem in the first place and, if recreated by you, could possibly never find a single clue about its own heritage until it's already too late? And sure enough, none have been provided so far.
Also, shouldn't there have been some kind of warning on Mars or a VI like Vigil? "Hello! In the distant past, your species built immortal, sentient, malevolent, genocidal cuttlefish and now we'd like you to clean up your mess."
All things being said and done I am still convinced that there is a connection between Humanity-Reapers-Protheans
Purge the heathens wrote...
@Mastone
If the protheans were already at war with the Reapers, they couldn't have done much tracing because they were locked out of the relay network.
I offered another theory about why the Reapers are interested in humanity. As for Shepard's role, I see two possibilities:
1) He is supposed to become the dominant personality of the Human Reaper. In the same way, Harbinger's and Sovereign's personalities were based on similar heroes.
2) If you build your new Reaper, surely you'd want to filter out all those hereditary diseases and genetic defects you're bound to get when melting people down. Shepard, who accomplished so much, is perhaps thought to be genetically superior to his fellow humans. Thus, he becomes the template, the standard against which all acquired biomass is measured.
Let's not forget that, while Reaper technology is more advanced, they are far from omnipotent. They were able to genetically engineer the protheans into a new species, but making a Reaper from them turned out to be impossible for some unexplained reason. Again, this could explain their interest in humans. Splice in some human DNA et voilà! 100% compatibility!
glad you agreeJimiShep wrote...
Mastone wrote...
Purge the heathens wrote...
Mastone wrote...
The alternative is that we as human beings are just so effing special ( better than Krogan, Asari, Salarians and Turians) that we outshine all other races and that the reapers just got to have us, because we are the pinnacle of organic evolution...yes I am being sarcastic.
On one hand, you mock the idea that humans are the superior species of the galaxy, but on the other, you suggest that protheans recreated us as some kind of "Project Messiah." I find that somewhat contradictory. Besides, asari, turians, hanar etc. should have already been around at the same time. Assuming the part of your theory where humans created the Reapers is true, who would you, as the protheans, put your hopes in? A new species or the one that already got its *beep* kicked by the Reapers, is responsible for the whole problem in the first place and, if recreated by you, could possibly never find a single clue about its own heritage until it's already too late? And sure enough, none have been provided so far.
Also, shouldn't there have been some kind of warning on Mars or a VI like Vigil? "Hello! In the distant past, your species built immortal, sentient, malevolent, genocidal cuttlefish and now we'd like you to clean up your mess."
All things being said and done I am still convinced that there is a connection between Humanity-Reapers-Protheans
Well I think that's pretty obvious by now
Modifié par suprhomre, 18 septembre 2011 - 10:49 .
111987 wrote...
@mastone
The problem with your theory is that it doesn't really draw on any hints/facts in the series. It's all just wild speculation. Nothing wrong with that, but other theories have at least had some kind of rationale.
Valdrane78 wrote...
111987 wrote...
@mastone
The problem with your theory is that it doesn't really draw on any hints/facts in the series. It's all just wild speculation. Nothing wrong with that, but other theories have at least had some kind of rationale.
ALL of this is wild speculation, we know next to nothing about the Reapers, we get a few snipits of information occasionally, but nothing is what I would call concrete. It's all theory crafting and none of it is to be taken literally.
Valdrane78 wrote...
ALL of this is wild speculation, we know next to nothing about the Reapers, we get a few snipits of information occasionally, but nothing is what I would call concrete. It's all theory crafting and none of it is to be taken literally.
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Theories are tested. Nothing in this thread is tested. What we're doing here is more related to arm waving and total speculation.
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Theories are tested. Nothing in this thread is tested. What we're doing here is more related to arm waving and total speculation.
[armwaving] The surviving Prothean scientists at an isolated outpost on Mars did genetic manipulation and created Cro-Magnon man about 50,000 yrs ago. They were going through the galaxy doing this to the Asari, Turian. Salarian, etc. I think the Prothean tie in to all the space faring species is going to be evident. After the Prothean scientists died so went their species. There wasn't anything going on to attract the Reapers since the only documentation was on Ilos, but that got degraded to where it was unreadable. They set these stations up during the Reaper invasion hoping to give these other races a leg up. [/armwaving]