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[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

TIM is a good guy. The real villain here is the evil wizard Mac Walters.

Yeah, he's so good that he won't hesitate to inject a man with Reaper nanites.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

TIM is a good guy. The real villain here is the evil wizard Mac Walters.

Yeah, he's so good that he won't hesitate to inject a man with Reaper nanites.

Or put scale itch on the SR-2

[Mad180]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Mad180 wrote...

I think all the TIM lovers are indoctrinated.

Believe me, nothing is more damning than to be diagnosed with a fictional condition by you. It really shows us all how serious and intelligent you are.

I was stating that in a joking manner. Of course you're not indoctrinated just blind to the facts.

Modifié par Mad180, 27 août 2011 - 09:32 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

There are many theories as to why Cerberus comes after Shepard:

TIM indoctrinated theory:

In this theory people base the fact that TIM could have been indoctrinated in the First Contact War. His name was Jack Harper and he and his squadmates came accros a Reaper artifact that shot energy at TIM and his friend. TIM survived the ordeal and his buddy did not. TIM's eyes glowed ever since the contact with the artifact.

Ever since then TIM formed Cerberus and decidedly creates opperations that make humanity look bad to the rest of the sentient species in the galaxy in order to provide misstrust in humans. TIM is under the effects of slow indoctrination that has the capability to last for years upon years without turning him into a mindless drooling husk... much like Saren. Also Saren's eyes glowed blue the same way TIM's do.

TIM did not leave Shepard dead because his crew survived the first collector attack. Given how successfull Shepard was with his old crew they needed to die as well. Targeted assasinations by Cerberus would anger the Council and Alliance to come after Cerberus. Targeted Assasinations by Collectors against the surviving crew would lead the council to believe that Shepard was right about the Reapers.

Best possible outcome is to gather the surviving crew members, and new individuals that might threaten the Reaper return (new characters in ME2) and send them on a suicide mission through the Omega 4 Relay to the Collectors. The mission loss would be accredited to the fact that they decided to navigate the relay knowing no ship has ever come back from there.

Bringing them back together is problematic. "Two birds one stone" logic will not be possible unless they have a reason to work together. None of them trust the Alliance enough to work together again... and Cerberus would never be able to recruit them all. Only one logical conclusion is to be made. As risky as it may be revive Shepard... and give him the chance to recruit the old crew and the new potential threats to the Reapers and send them through the Omega 4 Relay. None of them will question Shepard and the likellyness that their mission will fail against the Collectors is 99%.

This theory also back up why Cerberus is not fighting the Reapers on Earth and why Reapers are not targeting Cerberus from the trailers we have seen so far. This one makes a lot of sense to people that oppose Cerberus but I get constant criticism over this one from those that side with TIM at the end of ME2. THIS IS A POSSIBILITY GIVEN THE BACKGROUND LORE OF THE BOOKS, but I am not saying this is deffinitelly what happened.

Shepard made Cerberus too vulnerable with his actions theory:

In ME1 there were sidequests that were related to Cerberus illegal experimentation. TIM used Shepard while he needed him... but because Alliance has so much intel on Cerberus now that their operations are tough to sustain Cerberus no longer can allow Shepard to stay alive risking further complications in the Cerberus network. Since Cerberus no longer needs Shepard... dispose of this lose end.

This doesnt explain why Cerberus does not take a more active role against the Reapers in the trailers for ME3.

TIM's forces became indoctrinated upon finding a Reaper artifact:

TIM has lost all control over Cerberus personel. This is due to Shepard keeping the Collector Base which had tech capable of indoctrination or another newer discovery we know nothing about.

This theory is flimsy because TIM would be more carefull against indoctrination because he studied it for a long time now. He would have been prepared for this.

TIM's encounter with the Reaper Artifact gave him a new point of view:

When TIM encountered the artifact it showed him that the destruction of the Galaxy is inevitable. So he decided to improve humanity. "If you cant beat them join them" ideaology. However TIM does not want the Reapers to enslave humanity. He wants us to become better than or like the Reapers on our own terms. This means making humans into something Reaper-like but better.

This theory explains TIM's search for a way to counter indoctrination, why he designed an algorythmn inside of EDI that counters Reaper indoctrination and allows EDI a chance at countering the Reapers with her cyber-warfare suites, also explains the tests done on Paul Grayson and "possibly" how Shepard was resurrected, and explains why he tried to see if Project: Overlord could control synthetics and AI. This theory is sound but has no concrete evidence to back it up fully. It is more supposition.

TIM indoctrinated Cerberus personel to his own will so that they cant be indoctrinated by the Reapers:

TIM indoctrinated his own personel in order from them joining the ranks of the Reapers after seeing what happened to the Alliance personel in the Viper Cluster during the Arrival Mission.

This theory is present but it is absolutely Absurd. Its like thumb wrestling between two guys with lubricated thumbs.

TIM: "These soldiers are mine!" =P

Harbinger: "No they are mine!" =P

TIM: "NO STFU! They are mine! GG I win NOOB! QQ!" =P

Its ridiculous... It does not explain why they are attacking Shepard.

TIM realy hates aliens:

TIM realy hates aliens. He does not like Shepard's attitude about aliens... Kill Shepard... allow Reapers to kill off all other life in the galaxy... then kill Reapers.

I guess but this is very bland, borring, and racist.

Well thats what I can think of:

I personally like the first one the best but I do not know for sure what it realy is.

[Sebby]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

TIM is a good guy. The real villain here is the evil wizard Mac Walters.

Yeah, he's so good that he won't hesitate to inject a man with Reaper nanites.

Indeed, he's looking after humanity's security by trying to make a breakthrough against indoctrination. Thanks for backing me up on that.

[Mad180]

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

TIM is a good guy. The real villain here is the evil wizard Mac Walters.

Yeah, he's so good that he won't hesitate to inject a man with Reaper nanites.

Indeed, he's looking after humanity's security by trying to make a breakthrough against indoctrination. Thanks for backing me up on that.

Haha you're good! I like how you did that.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah, he's so good that he won't hesitate to inject a man with Reaper nanites.

Somebody has to make the hard choices. Somebody with bigger balls than you. Someone with actual resolve.

You're just a wussy Paragon. You choke on all the hard choices. You're weak.

Saphra Deden wrote...

You're only making yourself look
like a fool here, by being utterly vindictive towards fellow players who
aren't demanding a single thing of you.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Somebody has to make the hard choices. Somebody with bigger balls than you. Someone with actual resolve.

You're just a wussy Paragon. You choke on all the hard choices. You're weak.

Yeah, someone has to make the utterly retarded choices too. Perfect for Renegades. Always having their brains in their asses. Must feel great to be so unbelievably gullible and stupid.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You need to get a life, Typhoon, and stop obsessing over me. Don't get me wrong, in a way it is kind of flattering, but also annoying.

I find your hypocritical,irate,condescending nature humorous.


I come into threads that start out civil,and without fail you come in and inject your oppinifact,and paragon hate speech,and it ruins the discussion,so pardon me if someone has to point it out.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 27 août 2011 - 10:12 .

[GreenDragon37]

Ferris95 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

You need to get a life, Typhoon, and stop obsessing over me. Don't get me wrong, in a way it is kind of flattering, but also annoying.

Your on an internet forum constantly arguing over the logistics of a video game, a "life" isn't up for discussion. 

Haha. Good one!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

And not trying to use it as an insult, I should add.

I didn't insult anyone for being on the board, I insulted them for following me around like a chat-bot.

Way to miss subtext.

I posted in this thread first,and I have had the tab open since,so if anything you followed me.

Same goes for every other thread save for your surrender thread.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 27 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[shep82]

Draco Nared wrote...

I believe TIM is indoctrinated. As it was said here, he knew about everything from the start and he wasn't telling us the truth. I think he wanted Collectors' Base to make humans new collectors. Harbinger said in Arrival that human race drew Reapers' attention, so maybe they want to enslave humans like protheans and existing Collectors' Base would make it easier?

I like this theory.

[Angmir]

I am possitive Bioware want Shepard dead just to cast KALEX as the new main hero of MASS EFECT series now on.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Ok..the kalex thing is already old.

[QenQ199]

Could it be that TIM has brokered a deal with the Reapers that if he bring Sheperd's head on a silver platter, he and some of his 'chosen people' are spared from the oncoming onslaught, get upgraded (kinda like the Protheans a.k.a. Collectors) and are left behind in the new clean galaxy.

In some wierd way it could make sense:
- Humans are the dominant spieces of the galaxy
- Humans have advanced there 'weak' form
- All planets could be used for resources and / or colonisation
- If a new spieces sould evolve anew he could go 'we were here first, so we sould be in charge'

It fits with Cerberus doctrine and goals.

Just a thought.

(P.S. This is my first post. Please be gentle.)

[OmegaXI]

Maybe the Cerberus troops were some of the first troops to fight the Reapers which would mean they had the most exposure to them and that could be why they are indoctrinated. Or maybe TIM indoctrinated them by using the Thorian like method. Why he's after Shep? If you blow up the Base its for revenge, if you hand over the base then its because he fears you.

[AClockworkMelon]

Seboist wrote...

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Mad180 wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

AClockworkMelon wrote...



In that video Casey Hudson says at 3:10 "In Mass Effect 3 the Reapers are actually working with Cerberus." You have Reapers and Cerberus agents side-by-side attacking Earth and its defenders. Anyone who still sees TIM as a good guy at this point is deluded. I suppose you could say he's a "good guy" in the same sense as Saren was, which is to say not at all. The only alternative explanation is that TIM is no longer in control of his organization. 

Cerberus, but not neccessarily TIM. Untill we KNOW that TIM is Shepard's enemy, the alternative explanation is as good if not better than the theory that TIM is Shepard's enemy, given that the only evidence for this is that TIM is in charge of Cerberus in ME2.

I for one hope TIM is still an ally.

Well I feel that TIM was never an ally  and also in the video at 3:45 Casey says "The Illusive Man is behind all the stuff Cerberus is doing."

I like how people ignore the second half of your post. TIM's been playing Shepard for a sucker since the beginning. He brought back Shepard so that he could use him. It would be like me taking my car to the shop to get repaired. 

And? Hackett,Udina and Anderson were using Shepard to advance human interests by trying to make him/her a Spectre in ME1.

They were honest about what they wanted and why. TIM's organization is now invading Earth alongside the Reapers. Good going guys.