i dont think TIM was indoctrinated during ME2.....harbinger sought out powerful indivisuals and groups that it deemed appropriate for its mission...thats why harbinger chose to indoctrinate saren and the geth heretics in me1, and the collectors in me2 the illusive man and cerberus is a viable target because of their size, power and vast resources. Shepard eliminated saren..so harbinger switched to the collector general. when shepard eliminated him, harbinger need a new group to indoctrinate.
Theories on TIM & Cerberus reasoning behind trying to killing Shep in ME3
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#127
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:15
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The Reaper in ME1 was Sovereign, not Harbinger.darthshepard1395 wrote...
i dont think TIM was indoctrinated during ME2.....harbinger sought out powerful indivisuals and groups that it deemed appropriate for its mission...thats why harbinger chose to indoctrinate saren and the geth heretics in me1, and the collectors in me2 the illusive man and cerberus is a viable target because of their size, power and vast resources. Shepard eliminated saren..so harbinger switched to the collector general. when shepard eliminated him, harbinger need a new group to indoctrinate.
#128
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:17
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But what if Harby indoctrinated Sovereign?
#129
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:22
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Cerberus are not invading Earth. They've always resided here. Cerberus is humanity.AClockworkMelon wrote...
They were honest about what they wanted and why. TIM's organization is now invading Earth alongside the Reapers. Good going guys.
#131
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:37
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I think TIM considers Shepard a loose end that needs to be dealt with, nothing more. Consider this: Shep's on trial, he has to explain his actions; he's worked with Cerberus and talked to TIM himself; Shepard knows the organization, maybe too much.. It's not unreasonable for TIM to consider Shepard to be a liability.
#132
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:40
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Oh, excuse me, they're simply aiding the Reapers' invasion from within. How silly of me to make such a mistake. I should have known the pedants would focus on my wording and ignore the implication of what I'm saying.marshalleck wrote...
Cerberus are not invading Earth. They've always resided here.AClockworkMelon wrote...
They were honest about what they wanted and why. TIM's organization is now invading Earth alongside the Reapers. Good going guys.
#133
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:42
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TIM isn't simply trying to kill Shepard. Go listen to Casey Hudson in that video I posted on the last page. TIM and Cerberus are working with the Reapers.AK47 Total WAR wrote...
I think TIM considers Shepard a loose end that needs to be dealt with, nothing more. Consider this: Shep's on trial, he has to explain his actions; he's worked with Cerberus and talked to TIM himself; Shepard knows the organization, maybe too much.. It's not unreasonable for TIM to consider Shepard to be a liability.
#134
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:46
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marshalleck wrote...
The Reaper in ME1 was Sovereign, not Harbinger.darthshepard1395 wrote...
i dont think TIM was indoctrinated during ME2.....harbinger sought out powerful indivisuals and groups that it deemed appropriate for its mission...thats why harbinger chose to indoctrinate saren and the geth heretics in me1, and the collectors in me2 the illusive man and cerberus is a viable target because of their size, power and vast resources. Shepard eliminated saren..so harbinger switched to the collector general. when shepard eliminated him, harbinger need a new group to indoctrinate.
haha yeah my mistake i meant reapers in general
#135
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:46
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Yes.AClockworkMelon wrote...
Oh, excuse me, they're simply aiding the Reapers' invasion from within. How silly of me to make such a mistake. I should have known the pedants would focus on my wording and ignore the implication of what I'm saying.
#136
Posté 28 août 2011 - 01:57
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the only reason TIM is being indoctrinated is because he is the leader of cerberus. the reapers can make good use of their resourses and personel
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Posté 28 août 2011 - 02:08
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I think I watched that Sur'Kesh video enough times to get an idea of what's going on. Shepard's trying to escort a krogan female off-world to unite the krogan and forge a union between two species (not sure which species, I only know that humanity isn't getting anything from this.) Someone, possibly a traitor, tips Cerberus off about Shepard's location. TIM throws at Shepard troops (possibly indoctrinated) in order to slow him down (that's the only thing he's accomplishing, anyway), while the second Cerberus team (or rather, a stream of teams) tries to get to the female first.
TIM is either trying to secure the krogan for his own purposes or he's trying to prevent Shepard from getting her and creating a strong opposition for the Reapers. Maybe he disagrees with Shepard's methods of saving the galaxy. In this case, I'd like to see him do better. Let him deploy his plan. Something tells me that it's not such a good plan, since "critical mission failure" for Shepard means the victory of the Reapers.
It's possible that TIM is doing to Shepard the same thing Shepard was doing to Saren - since he hasn't got the slightest idea what to do and where to do, Shepard's simply following Saren right to the conduit, slaughtering his minions when they stand in his way. Maybe TIM is using Shepard as a lead, waits till Shepard finds something of interest, then slows him down with the troops and tries to snatch the mission objective before Shepard does.
It's sure not nice of him, not to mention that he could just ask, and that he might very well get Shepard killed with his methods (I expect to die quite a few times at the hands of his minions), but maybe TIM believes that he's the hero, and that he's got a better plan.
TIM is either trying to secure the krogan for his own purposes or he's trying to prevent Shepard from getting her and creating a strong opposition for the Reapers. Maybe he disagrees with Shepard's methods of saving the galaxy. In this case, I'd like to see him do better. Let him deploy his plan. Something tells me that it's not such a good plan, since "critical mission failure" for Shepard means the victory of the Reapers.
It's possible that TIM is doing to Shepard the same thing Shepard was doing to Saren - since he hasn't got the slightest idea what to do and where to do, Shepard's simply following Saren right to the conduit, slaughtering his minions when they stand in his way. Maybe TIM is using Shepard as a lead, waits till Shepard finds something of interest, then slows him down with the troops and tries to snatch the mission objective before Shepard does.
It's sure not nice of him, not to mention that he could just ask, and that he might very well get Shepard killed with his methods (I expect to die quite a few times at the hands of his minions), but maybe TIM believes that he's the hero, and that he's got a better plan.
#138
Posté 28 août 2011 - 03:03
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Seboist wrote...
GodWood wrote...
Why?Mad180 wrote...
Well I feel that TIM was never an ally
He brought you back to life, provided you with a ship, weapons, tech, specialists (companions), a crew, information and helped you defeat the collectors.
Sounds like an ally to me.
A damn good one too. They supported Shepard far more than the Council did in ME1.
How do you know that cerberus working through the reapers are not tricking shepard into working for the reapers without having to damage him through indoctrination?
All we know is what TIM has told us. But how much of what he told us is true? Cerberus always seems to be ahead of the collectors and you....The only way this would be is if TIM is playing both sides. Cerberus is in the shadows ALL the time and from a writers point of view this means that there is somthing worth HIDDING from shepard that could in fact compromise there friendship/ally.
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Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:19
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TIM maybe thinks Reapers will take humanity into a "higher order" of existance and wants to use the tech from Collector base to stop Shepard and prove humanity's worth to the Reapers so they'll take them?
#141
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:25
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TIM wants Shep out of the picture because I think the monolith that he touched few years back started effect him and now Harbinger is whispering to him,or maybe is just that he wants Normandy back because maybe EDI has kept some collector info for her self, or maybe even its just that Shepard was only needed to get collectors out of the picture and now he's expendable.
#142
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:32
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My theory is that Bioware needed some new canon fodder that the Reapers could use with the collectors gone and all so they were like "hey, let's use Cerberus. Who cares if it seems stupid that the only organization that was actually trying to fight the reapers is the first to be indoctrinated, no one will notice!"
#143
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:51
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AClockworkMelon wrote...
TIM isn't simply trying to kill Shepard. Go listen to Casey Hudson in that video I posted on the last page. TIM and Cerberus are working with the Reapers.
As if Casey never lied before about mass effect plot points.
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Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:53
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TIM? Lonely?iOnlySignIn wrote...
Whoever said they want to kill you? Maybe the reason that countless Cerberus goons are chasing Shepard is because...
TIM wants a hug...
Because he's lonely...
He's the most ballin' space pimp this side of the universe. He couldn't be lonely even if he tried.
#145
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:54
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TIM is not indoctrinated period. All the novels and comics point to this fact, and what goes on in TIMs head is surely two things only: to destroy the reapers at any cost, and to secure humanity's dominance of the galaxy. This TIM is too interesting to be "collector generalized" in ME3.
#146
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:57
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Monolith, the one he touched ,it was a Reaper or Prothean tech and I don't know if remember godd.
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Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 08:59
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cerberus is the antichrist
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Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 09:00
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That picture is awsome just to remind you:Dannihilator27 wrote...
#149
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 09:03
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Cerberus is rotten to the Core, sorry not rotten that is to generous they are Indoctrinated to the Bone.
#150
Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 09:09
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Mr.X.Pen wrote...
That picture is awsome just to remind you:Dannihilator27 wrote...
I know lmfao, I love the "look around" vibe Harby has goin.
