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[R2s Muse]

So here's another question... The evil smite sig made me think... What if Cullen were to go all red lyrium evil on us? So an extension of brushyourteeth's question on using red lyrium to power the new Templar order's powers... What if Cullen somehow got exposed? What are some scenarios for that to happen? How would you/your PC deal? What if the only solution was death...?

Of course my own brain immediately went to Buffy season 2, where Angel went evil. She had to kill him to save the world, even tho he got non evil about 2 min too late. Pretty crushing.

[CuriousArtemis]

I would never kill Cullen. Not unless the game "forced" me to somehow. I fall in love with characters too easily and sympathize with them too much. I've never killed Anders, either; just can't do it! Also never killed Zevran. And I always play my game such that everyone agrees and no one will challenge me and be forced to die lol

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

But Anders was a playable character in DA:A and he still got a new hairstyle. All of the companions in DA2 had "unique" hairstyles not available in CC.

So either Cullen's classic curly-haired look *squee!!* (I can never make a curly-haired Hawke because of him) will no longer be available in CC or he will have different hair, I think.

hmm, I don't know that this pattern fully holds up... Merrill's hair isn't unique, is it? And I'm pretty sure I gave it to one of my Hawke's. I really doubt they'd change his hair. I would also be surprised if  they'd suddenly take away one of the "classic" hairstyles just because a companion has it.  But then ... It's so hard for us to generalize based on only two games, so far... 

[LolaLei]

Good point, plus Sandal also has the same hair as Cullen.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

So here's another question... The evil smite sig made me think... What if Cullen were to go all red lyrium evil on us? So an extension of brushyourteeth's question on using red lyrium to power the new Templar order's powers... What if Cullen somehow got exposed? What are some scenarios for that to happen? How would you/your PC deal? What if the only solution was death...?

Of course my own brain immediately went to Buffy season 2, where Angel went evil. She had to kill him to save the world, even tho he got non evil about 2 min too late. Pretty crushing.

If we had no choice to save him then I guess I'd just get it over and done with quickly and hope that it's done in an epic, gut wrenching way... I mean, if they're gonna do it, then they might as well go all out right? I'd be a bit gutted though, but if it's important to the story and done well then that's ok. If, however it was done just to troll us, or add drama for dramas sake, then I'd be a bit annoyed.

Modifié par LolaLei, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:55 .

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

I would never kill Cullen. Not unless the game "forced" me to somehow. I fall in love with characters too easily and sympathize with them too much. I've never killed Anders, either; just can't do it! Also never killed Zevran. And I always play my game such that everyone agrees and no one will challenge me and be forced to die lol

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've also never killed Zev, and Anders... Only when I was romancing Seb... And it killed me.  I get all worked about about what he did, think I can do it, and then Merrill says, "he should come with us. do what he can to make it right" or whatever, and my brain goes, "Oh good! See, there's even a nice logical reason!" 

Cullen... Yeah, I don't know. If its just because he was evil and trying to kill me or whatever, I'd probably still err on the side of hope that I could somehow fix him. But, say the whole world depended on him dying...? Probablly would do it, and bawl the whole time. But what if  He goes Meredith baths!t crazy and the only one who can stop him from hurting others is you?  That could be some serious gut wrenching storytelling.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:59 .

[LolaLei]

Lol that reminds me of Gaider's comment about Cullen's surname. When one girl squee'd about it he said something like "what if you find out his surname on his gravestone"... of course, there's no way that's true. If it was then he would have kept it as a "surprise" for extra fan-girl tears.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I would never kill Cullen. Not unless the game "forced" me to somehow. I fall in love with characters too easily and sympathize with them too much. I've never killed Anders, either; just can't do it! Also never killed Zevran. And I always play my game such that everyone agrees and no one will challenge me and be forced to die lol

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've also never killed Zev, and Anders... Only when I was romancing Seb... And it killed me.  I get all worked about about what he did, think I can do it, and then Merrill says, "he should come with us. do what he can to make it right" or whatever, and my brain goes, "Oh good! See, there's even a nice logical reason!" 

Cullen... Yeah, I don't know. If its just because he was evil and trying to kill me or whatever, I'd probably still err on the side of hope that I could somehow fix him. But, say the whole world depended on him dying...? Probablly would do it, and bawl the whole time. But what if  He goes Meredith baths!t crazy and the only one who can stop him if rom hurting others is you?  That could be some serious gut wrenching storytelling.

I find it hard killing any of the companions, especially when the "bad" ones, or the ones that do something that is considered "bad" are actually morally grey. I would have spared Loghain, if it wasn't for Alistair.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, know what you mean... But Loghain.. I ALWAYS kill him myself . I still have a hard time justifying what he did to Cailan, the GWs, the elves, the banns. Still haven't finished Stolen Throne, which apparently will change my mind...

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, Loghain is a villain in my mind and I find it bizarre that he can be a companion... EXCEPT that in DA:O you could play as a really evil individual, which would make sense killing or exiling Alistair (who is seriously the embodiment of good in that game) and accepting Loghain into your party.

Which doesn't mean I don't think he's a great character and that he truly believed he was doing the right thing in his heart (see: Meredith) but yeah.

[LolaLei]

So, what do you think will happen in DA3 if it did turn out that Cullen was actually possessed by a demon during his torture in DA:O?

If that is the case, then I'd hope that it would be something like Connors possession, where we can go into the Fade to save him from his nightmare.

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

I've also never killed Zev, and Anders... Only when I was romancing Seb... And it killed me.  I get all worked about about what he did, think I can do it, and then Merrill says, "he should come with us. do what he can to make it right" or whatever, and my brain goes, "Oh good! See, there's even a nice logical reason!" 

I played a pro-Circle Hawke (who nevertheless still defended the mages in the end because he was NOT a proponent of mass murder) once and was determined to let him kill Anders. Then the moment came and... I just sat there. And stared at the screen. Just stared at his sad little slightly-psychotic face as he rocked back and forth on that box. Then I got up and walked around the house for a bit, did some chores... Sat back down in front of the TV, picked up my controller. Stared at that sad face again...

 And told him to GTFO of Kirkwall or else I'd change my mind LOL

And somehow that Hawke ended up being my favorite Hawke. Weird.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

So, what do you think will happen in DA3 if it did turn out that Cullen was actually possessed by a demon during his torture in DA:O?

If that is the case, then I'd hope that it would be something like Connors possession, where we can go into the Fade to save him from his nightmare.

Meaning he's been possessed all this time?

I would not like that since we've already explored that kind of character twice, with Wynne and then Anders...

[JellyBean28]

R2s Muse wrote...

Yeah, know what you mean... But Loghain.. I ALWAYS kill him myself . I still have a hard time justifying what he did to Cailan, the GWs, the elves, the banns. Still haven't finished Stolen Throne, which apparently will change my mind...

It might. I know it changed some minds about Loghain. Personally, I still don't like anything he did and, like you, I have a hard time justifying it no matter what way I look at it. So, Stolen Throne didn't change my opinion.
And as for the question about Cullen...I couldn't kill him. Just like I could never kill Alistair in any of my playthroughs (Although once, i made the mistake of romancing him, declining the ritual, and taking him up to the archdemon...was not a good day for me )
I just don't think I could kill Cullen. If it seemed like I was FORCED to do it, I would start researching ways of avoiding it somehow. Thinking, "i must've done something wrong! BioWare wouldn't do this to me!"

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I've also never killed Zev, and Anders... Only when I was romancing Seb... And it killed me.  I get all worked about about what he did, think I can do it, and then Merrill says, "he should come with us. do what he can to make it right" or whatever, and my brain goes, "Oh good! See, there's even a nice logical reason!" 

I played a pro-Circle Hawke (who nevertheless still defended the mages in the end because he was NOT a proponent of mass murder) once and was determined to let him kill Anders. Then the moment came and... I just sat there. And stared at the screen. Just stared at his sad little slightly-psychotic face as he rocked back and forth on that box. Then I got up and walked around the house for a bit, did some chores... Sat back down in front of the TV, picked up my controller. Stared at that sad face again...

 And told him to GTFO of Kirkwall or else I'd change my mind LOL

And somehow that Hawke ended up being my favorite Hawke. Weird.

I killed him once... after Adam Howden was rude to me that time (plus my Hawke was romancing Seb, so I had to do it for science). It was surprisingly underwhelming and I felt bad for doing it, since Anders is a good guy and completely nothing like his voice actor. Credit where credits due though, the guy can definitely act LOL!

Modifié par LolaLei, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So, what do you think will happen in DA3 if it did turn out that Cullen was actually possessed by a demon during his torture in DA:O?

If that is the case, then I'd hope that it would be something like Connors possession, where we can go into the Fade to save him from his nightmare.

Meaning he's been possessed all this time?

I would not like that since we've already explored that kind of character twice, with Wynne and then Anders...

Yeah, except it would be a full on demon rather than a spirit.

[R2s Muse]

LOL jellybean, I would probably do the same "MUST. RELOAD. MUST. RELOAD. Damn you dragon age wiki, tell me how to save him!" LMAO

So... Here's another thought... Heh heh... What if he turns to red lyrium in a moment of hardcore regular lyrium withdrawal... So out of necessity. Only takes a little bit... And then, you slowly see it affect him. Say you're stuck in some primeval thaig, where its all red and you're out of blue? So it becomes a continuing struggle... Lyrium withdrawal leading to madness and death? Or red lyrium, leading to madness and death?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL jellybean, I would probably do the same "MUST. RELOAD. MUST. RELOAD. Damn you dragon age wiki, tell me how to save him!" LMAO

So... Here's another thought... Heh heh... What if he turns to red lyrium in a moment of hardcore regular lyrium withdrawal... So out of necessity. Only takes a little bit... And then, you slowly see it affect him. Say you're stuck in some primeval thaig, where its all red and you're out of blue? So it becomes a continuing struggle... Lyrium withdrawal leading to madness and death? Or red lyrium, leading to madness and death?

I was thinking about this a little while ago actually. Do you suppose a Templar would go a bit weird with their cravings if they were passing through a primeval thaig covered in the stuff? Even if they'd already taken their regular lyrium for the day? 

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So, what do you think will happen in DA3 if it did turn out that Cullen was actually possessed by a demon during his torture in DA:O?

If that is the case, then I'd hope that it would be something like Connors possession, where we can go into the Fade to save him from his nightmare.

Meaning he's been possessed all this time?

I would not like that since we've already explored that kind of character twice, with Wynne and then Anders...

Yeah, except it would be a full on demon rather than a spirit.

so he was an evil demon all thru DA2? Hmm, interesting. Yeah, I'd suppose I'd want to save him. More, I'd want to know why he did what he did during DA2 since he must then have a helluva ulterior motive. LOL

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL jellybean, I would probably do the same "MUST. RELOAD. MUST. RELOAD. Damn you dragon age wiki, tell me how to save him!" LMAO

So... Here's another thought... Heh heh... What if he turns to red lyrium in a moment of hardcore regular lyrium withdrawal... So out of necessity. Only takes a little bit... And then, you slowly see it affect him. Say you're stuck in some primeval thaig, where its all red and you're out of blue? So it becomes a continuing struggle... Lyrium withdrawal leading to madness and death? Or red lyrium, leading to madness and death?

I was thinking about this a little while ago actually. Do you suppose a Templar would go a bit weird with their cravings if they were passing through a primeval thaig covered in the stuff? Even if they'd already taken their regular lyrium for the day? 

you mean, would red lyrium "sing" to the lyrium addicted even more than to regular people? Interesting! I suppose I would imagine so. So then, imagine poor, upstanding, strong willed Cullen going out of his mind, both with regular withdrawal and the song. And, then he still doesn't want to take it, but you talk him into it so he doesn't die ... Thinking you can find a way to save him later on. So you're slightly complicit in his taking the red... /cue angst

Modifié par R2s Muse, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:27 .

[JellyBean28]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL jellybean, I would probably do the same "MUST. RELOAD. MUST. RELOAD. Damn you dragon age wiki, tell me how to save him!" LMAO

So... Here's another thought... Heh heh... What if he turns to red lyrium in a moment of hardcore regular lyrium withdrawal... So out of necessity. Only takes a little bit... And then, you slowly see it affect him. Say you're stuck in some primeval thaig, where its all red and you're out of blue? So it becomes a continuing struggle... Lyrium withdrawal leading to madness and death? Or red lyrium, leading to madness and death?

I was thinking about this a little while ago actually. Do you suppose a Templar would go a bit weird with their cravings if they were passing through a primeval thaig covered in the stuff? Even if they'd already taken their regular lyrium for the day? 

Hmmm...that's an interesting question. I'd say it's possible that their cravings for lyrium would intensify if they are surrounded by it whether they had their regular intake or not. But I'm far from an expert on the subject.

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL jellybean, I would probably do the same "MUST. RELOAD. MUST. RELOAD. Damn you dragon age wiki, tell me how to save him!" LMAO

So... Here's another thought... Heh heh... What if he turns to red lyrium in a moment of hardcore regular lyrium withdrawal... So out of necessity. Only takes a little bit... And then, you slowly see it affect him. Say you're stuck in some primeval thaig, where its all red and you're out of blue? So it becomes a continuing struggle... Lyrium withdrawal leading to madness and death? Or red lyrium, leading to madness and death?

Keeping in mind that I read way too much fanfic, what kind of madness are we talking about here? Is it "I am Henry VIII" madness and cackling in a corner and pulling out your hair? Or is it "Sometimes I hear voices and by the way I've always loved you but no longer have a verbal filter"? There are several levels of insanity that I can deal with and (if well scripted) will happily endure.

[LolaLei]

That's a point! Cullen must have been in some form of close contact with red lyrium when Meredith had the red lyrium idol melted down and added to her sword. I wonder if he ever got any strange vibes when he had to check in on her to hand in reports etc.

MMG: I was thinking more along the lines that the demon was just kinda dormant inside him, waiting for the perfect time to take control of Cullen's body... To be fair, who wouldn't wanna take control of his body! That demon's got the right idea!

Modifié par LolaLei, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:32 .

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL jellybean, I would probably do the same "MUST. RELOAD. MUST. RELOAD. Damn you dragon age wiki, tell me how to save him!" LMAO

So... Here's another thought... Heh heh... What if he turns to red lyrium in a moment of hardcore regular lyrium withdrawal... So out of necessity. Only takes a little bit... And then, you slowly see it affect him. Say you're stuck in some primeval thaig, where its all red and you're out of blue? So it becomes a continuing struggle... Lyrium withdrawal leading to madness and death? Or red lyrium, leading to madness and death?

Keeping in mind that I read way too much fanfic, what kind of madness are we talking about here? Is it "I am Henry VIII" madness and cackling in a corner and pulling out your hair? Or is it "Sometimes I hear voices and by the way I've always loved you but no longer have a verbal filter"? There are several levels of insanity that I can deal with and (if well scripted) will happily endure.

LOL but that's really it, right? HHe'll go instantly cuckoo with withdrawal, whereas with red it takes a while... so I could see going with the short fix, so long as it wasn't a permanent solution. But then, reg lyrium withdrawal seems to be like benign dementia, whereas with red, you actually get evil...

[JellyBean28]

LolaLei wrote...

That's a point! Cullen must have been in some form of close contact with red lyrium when Meredith had the red lyrium idol melted down and added to her sword. I wonder if he ever got any strange vibes when he had to check in on her to hand in reports etc.

MMG: I was thinking more along the lines that the demon was just kinda dormant inside him, waiting for the perfect time to take control of Cullen's body... To be fair, who wouldn't wanna take control of his body! That demon's got the right idea!

I can honestly say that I've never felt jealous of a demon until I read that.