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[R2s Muse]

Oh... On the rapes, I know Alain mentions people coming to his room. During best served cold, i think? Then there's the tranquil lady who talks about how she belongs to ser Alrik now... And some of Alrik's dialogue toward Ella hints at it, once she's tranquil. :shudder:

[JellyBean28]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

"101 uses for a stone Templar."

this is too much of an opening... 
And with that I will bid you all adieu!

...and, thanks for staying delurked, jellybean. You seem to drink the koolaid just fine! 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it was an opening lol.
Have a lovely night!
And I really like it here. Or should I say that the koolaid is delicious?
Maybe not, since that, too, can be quite the opening if you're creative
I should probably shut up now lol

[meanieweenie]

'Nite R2!

I'm about ready to bail as well. Adieu! Adieu! Parting is such sweet sorrow!

[JellyBean28]

meanieweenie wrote...

'Nite R2!

I'm about ready to bail as well. Adieu! Adieu! Parting is such sweet sorrow!

"That I shall say goodnight till it be morrow"
:happy:

[CuriousArtemis]

Massive exodus from the thread! lol

I can't imagine Cullen would know about mages being raped and doing nothing about it. That totally goes against (what little we know of) his character.

But, although I wouldn't kill him... I'm not sure I could romance him if he did. How could I play a character who wouldn't be bothered by that?

[LolaLei]

Don't be poisoning yourselves, or eloping whilst my backs turned. Otherwise a plague on both your houses!

[SamaraDraven]

Goodnight all! I'm not turning in just yet but since you all are and I'm about to have dinner... =D Good night! Sweet dreams!

On the rapes... Thus far the dialogue mentioned with Anders is the only solid mention I've seen of it. The other stuff can certainly be taken that way, though. I hope this is addressed in DA3.

Arrivederci! =D I'll be back later to see who might be prowling the empty halls...

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Massive exodus from the thread! lol

I can't imagine Cullen would know about mages being raped and doing nothing about it. That totally goes against (what little we know of) his character.

But, although I wouldn't kill him... I'm not sure I could romance him if he did. How could I play a character who wouldn't be bothered by that?

Well, Gaider did say he was one of the good eggs... So he either done something about it, or was oblivious. Probably the latter since he's mostly away with the fairies. The poor things completely clueless lol.

[JellyBean28]

LolaLei wrote...

Don't be poisoning yourselves, or eloping whilst my backs turned. Otherwise a plague on both your houses!

You know Lola, some of your comments make me want to beg BioWare to make a 'like' button on these forums lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

I think he'd have to kill a rather innocent companion. Sort of like him trapping me behind something as he tortures and kills Merrill with her not defending herself. I mean I think Cullen would have to go full out evil on me for me to consider him the enemy.

Here's a question though is it more acceptable when an "evil" character does evil things because it's what we expect from them? I mean if say...a magister were to pop out and do blood magic with a baby I think I would hate him less than say if someone like Merrill or Alistair doing it.

[CuriousArtemis]

I dunno... blood magic with a baby is pretty much just evil in my book lol If Merrill or Alistair do that, I shut my game off because, WTF BioWare lol

[R2s Muse]

JellyBean28 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Don't be poisoning yourselves, or eloping whilst my backs turned. Otherwise a plague on both your houses!

You know Lola, some of your comments make me want to beg BioWare to make a 'like' button on these forums lol.

I second this. Or should I say, "Like"? 

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote....

Here's a question though is it more acceptable when an "evil" character does evil things because it's what we expect from them? I mean if say...a magister were to pop out and do blood magic with a baby I think I would hate him less than say if someone like Merrill or Alistair doing it.

I wouldn't say more acceptable. I would say the latter would be more wrenching. I don't have any personal investment in that magister, so their fate wouldn't bother me so long as justice was served. But, my friend going evil? Much much worse.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote....

Here's a question though is it more acceptable when an "evil" character does evil things because it's what we expect from them? I mean if say...a magister were to pop out and do blood magic with a baby I think I would hate him less than say if someone like Merrill or Alistair doing it.

I wouldn't say more acceptable. I would say the latter would be more wrenching. I don't have any personal investment in that magister, so their fate wouldn't bother me so long as justice was served. But, my friend going evil? Much much worse.

Well I mean an evil magister companion. I mean if Morrigan killed babies I'd be like "bad Morrigan" I didn't not think you'd do it, but I didn't expect it, *sigh* but if the "good" companions did something evil...it'd be more WTF like MMG said. See what I mean?

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote....

Here's a question though is it more acceptable when an "evil" character does evil things because it's what we expect from them? I mean if say...a magister were to pop out and do blood magic with a baby I think I would hate him less than say if someone like Merrill or Alistair doing it.

I wouldn't say more acceptable. I would say the latter would be more wrenching. I don't have any personal investment in that magister, so their fate wouldn't bother me so long as justice was served. But, my friend going evil? Much much worse.

Well I mean an evil magister companion. I mean if Morrigan killed babies I'd be like "bad Morrigan" I didn't not think you'd do it, but I didn't expect it, *sigh* but if the "good" companions did something evil...it'd be more WTF like MMG said. See what I mean?

I suppose then it would depend on the context.  I mean, like MMG also said, killing babies is bad no matter who is doing it. I suppose if there were a plausible reason for a good character to suddenly fall to the dark side, then the tragedy of their fall would be added to the horror of their evil act. Whereas with someone already flirting with the darkness, I suppose it wouldn't have that extra patina of tragedy to it.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote....

Here's a question though is it more acceptable when an "evil" character does evil things because it's what we expect from them? I mean if say...a magister were to pop out and do blood magic with a baby I think I would hate him less than say if someone like Merrill or Alistair doing it.

I wouldn't say more acceptable. I would say the latter would be more wrenching. I don't have any personal investment in that magister, so their fate wouldn't bother me so long as justice was served. But, my friend going evil? Much much worse.

Well I mean an evil magister companion. I mean if Morrigan killed babies I'd be like "bad Morrigan" I didn't not think you'd do it, but I didn't expect it, *sigh* but if the "good" companions did something evil...it'd be more WTF like MMG said. See what I mean?

I suppose then it would depend on the context.  I mean, like MMG also said, killing babies is bad no matter who is doing it. I suppose if there were a plausible reason for a good character to suddenly fall to the dark side, then the tragedy of their fall would be added to the horror of their evil act. Whereas with someone already flirting with the darkness, I suppose it wouldn't have that extra patina of tragedy to it.

So what does that mean for our favorite templar? I mean he's sort of flirted with both sides, he's called for complete magicide, been kind of mean, but has also sort of shown his good side when he stood up to Meredith as well as looked for alternative means to the annulement.

I mean if he went ebil I think I'd be sad but not super sad but if he goes good I wouldn't be super happy either. I mean in order to make me super sad or happy I think we'll need something really wrenching in either direction for him.

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote....

Here's a question though is it more acceptable when an "evil" character does evil things because it's what we expect from them? I mean if say...a magister were to pop out and do blood magic with a baby I think I would hate him less than say if someone like Merrill or Alistair doing it.

I wouldn't say more acceptable. I would say the latter would be more wrenching. I don't have any personal investment in that magister, so their fate wouldn't bother me so long as justice was served. But, my friend going evil? Much much worse.

Well I mean an evil magister companion. I mean if Morrigan killed babies I'd be like "bad Morrigan" I didn't not think you'd do it, but I didn't expect it, *sigh* but if the "good" companions did something evil...it'd be more WTF like MMG said. See what I mean?

I suppose then it would depend on the context.  I mean, like MMG also said, killing babies is bad no matter who is doing it. I suppose if there were a plausible reason for a good character to suddenly fall to the dark side, then the tragedy of their fall would be added to the horror of their evil act. Whereas with someone already flirting with the darkness, I suppose it wouldn't have that extra patina of tragedy to it.

Agreed. I was almost there with Anders blowing up the chantry. If he hadn't been already 'tainted' with the crazies it would've been that much worse. I had my 'how could you?' moment but wasn't devastated.

[Danny Boy 7]

Maybe acceptable wasn't the best word, how about um accepted? In that we as players when presented with a character that is evil are less critical of that character when they commit an evil act than when a good character does the same.

Perhaps when presented with a scenario where a character must be killed but it's not a clear thing that the greater good will be served we are less critical of the anti-hero who kills than of the hero who kills?

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Maybe acceptable wasn't the best word, how about um accepted? In that we as players when presented with a character that is evil are less critical of that character when they commit an evil act than when a good character does the same.

Perhaps when presented with a scenario where a character must be killed but it's not a clear thing that the greater good will be served we are less critical of the anti-hero who kills than of the hero who kills?

I get what you mean.

Take Alrik (for example) who's running around torturing and raping. When we found out he'd been bumming poor Alain into next week, we were angry, but we weren't surprised because he came across as "evil", so it was to be expected. Whereas, if it turned out in DA3 that Cullen (who by this point appears to be a "good" guy/companion) had also participated in the rape and torture of mages, we'd feel shocked and betrayed... Then shank the bastard.

I think it always feels worse when it's some you previously deemed to be a good person, especially if you considered them to be a friend/companion because we've been deceived.

Did I get your meaning right Danny?

Modifié par LolaLei, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:36 .

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Maybe acceptable wasn't the best word, how about um accepted? In that we as players when presented with a character that is evil are less critical of that character when they commit an evil act than when a good character does the same.

Perhaps when presented with a scenario where a character must be killed but it's not a clear thing that the greater good will be served we are less critical of the anti-hero who kills than of the hero who kills?

Hmm, I don't quite agree, but I'm running out now, so don't have time for a very thoughtful response. Sorry. Again I think context matters too much for a generalization. Take Anders. I think it's easy to assume that wasn't his choice at some level. Was it just Justice taking over at last? Whereas if he had no other "excuse" as it were, it might be more clear cut horrible. Like, your Morrigan example, had she been fighting to be a better person and is the bad act her backsliding? Did she run towards evil with arms open and say the hell with good? Lots of layers I think to unpack.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[R2s Muse]

And I apologize if I just sounded undiplomatic. Son is driving me crazy.

[LolaLei]

... I think I just found our first ever Cullen cosplayer... possibly:

https://twitter.com/...1508737/photo/1

(The one next to the douche bag.)

Modifié par LolaLei, 28 octobre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

+10 approval points.

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

+10 approval points.

He's like DA:O Cullen, but much younger and minus the facial hair.

... Is it weird that I find cosplayers who dress up as characters I like in games attractive, simply because they're pretending to be that character? But when they're just dressed normally as their regular self, then I don't lol.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

+10 approval points.

He's like DA:O Cullen, but much younger and minus the facial hair.

... Is it weird that I find cosplayers who dress up as characters I like in games attractive, simply because they're pretending to be that character? But when they're just dressed normally as their regular self, then I don't lol.

Lol, no, its not weird. I do that too.