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[CuriousArtemis]

No, you're right, but that's the Anders romance =\\ I have to admit, I do have to move the story along in my head a bit with Anders/Hawke. The cute flirtation moves along nicely at first, but then things just barrel roll, and I never really figure out what's going on between them, if anything at all.

I guess I'm spoiled b/c I'm a Fenris-mancer and that romance is just .... better written? xD No offense to Hepler (right?) b/c Anders is an awesome character, but the romance seems skirted around. But with Fenris, Hawke does learn A LOT about him, and sees him being vulnerable, angry, sweet, funny... sees every side of him. Which is nice in a romance, and comparable to the Alistair romance I think.

But the Alistair romance feels more in depth I think b/c Alistair played such a HUGE part in the overall story, whereas Fenris literally had nothing to do with the main story.

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh, speaking of Anders and Fenris, I posted this recently in the Anders thread but it got ignored =\\ buuut I really wanted to share my shock and horror/amusement over what happened and maybe the Cullen thread can appreciate it better lol

--> OMG YOU GUYS. In my current playthrough, just to shake things up, I'm roleplaying that Hawke is in love with Fenris but since Fenris was with him during the Deep Roads, he associates him with Bethany's death, blah blah blah. So while avoiding Fenris, he goes to Anders for comfort. I've never broken up with Anders before, so I wondered how it would be... so after they make love, feeling like an ass, I hit the "break-up" button, thinking Hawke would at least be gentle, admit he isn't in love, etc. etc. No. The **** says, to Anders' FACE, "Sorry, you just weren't that good." *smirk* OMGGGG It was so awful I couldn't stop laughing LOL Like watching a train wreck. I was choking horrific snorts of laughter. Like, really? I guess that's what I get for playing a sarcastic Hawke LOL

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

No, you're right, but that's the Anders romance = I have to admit, I do have to move the story along in my head a bit with Anders/Hawke. The cute flirtation moves along nicely at first, but then things just barrel roll, and I never really figure out what's going on between them, if anything at all.

I guess I'm spoiled b/c I'm a Fenris-mancer and that romance is just .... better written? xD No offense to Hepler (right?) b/c Anders is an awesome character, but the romance seems skirted around. But with Fenris, Hawke does learn A LOT about him, and sees him being vulnerable, angry, sweet, funny... sees every side of him. Which is nice in a romance, and comparable to the Alistair romance I think.

But the Alistair romance feels more in depth I think b/c Alistair played such a HUGE part in the overall story, whereas Fenris literally had nothing to do with the main story.

I'm doing a Fenris friendship romance currently, but it's really grabbing me (although to be fair, neither does Anders romance LOL). Ah, I dunno, the DA2 LI's just feel really lacklustre to me. 

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Oh, speaking of Anders and Fenris, I posted this recently in the Anders thread but it got ignored = buuut I really wanted to share my shock and horror/amusement over what happened and maybe the Cullen thread can appreciate it better lol

--> OMG YOU GUYS. In my current playthrough, just to shake things up, I'm roleplaying that Hawke is in love with Fenris but since Fenris was with him during the Deep Roads, he associates him with Bethany's death, blah blah blah. So while avoiding Fenris, he goes to Anders for comfort. I've never broken up with Anders before, so I wondered how it would be... so after they make love, feeling like an ass, I hit the "break-up" button, thinking Hawke would at least be gentle, admit he isn't in love, etc. etc. No. The **** says, to Anders' FACE, "Sorry, you just weren't that good." *smirk* OMGGGG It was so awful I couldn't stop laughing LOL Like watching a train wreck. I was choking horrific snorts of laughter. Like, really? I guess that's what I get for playing a sarcastic Hawke LOL

LMAO! That reminds me of something I saw on YouTube, that made me literally ****** myself with laughter:

Skip to after the love scene, it's hilarious:




It would have been even funnier if Hawke had replied with what your one said to him.

[LolaLei]

Ok, so I just found this on the Dragon Age Confessions Tumblr:




What do people think of that? Would you want a Cullen/Mage romance to be non-angsty, or would you want his issues and duty to get in the way of the romance? (At least to begin with).

[R2s Muse]

Interesting confession. I suppose Rhys and Evangeline didn't have angst in their relationship and... honestly, I thought it was a little lackluster. I think a mage-templar romance needs to be earned. I think it can eventually be sweet and epic and beautiful etc, but only after going through the rollercoaster.

Reminds me of something one of the writers... Mary Kirby I think... said in the Varric thread about why he wouldn't be a good romance, because a romance story needs its ups and downs. Just smooth sailing makes for good RL romance but crappy fiction.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah plus I think it would not be true to Cullen's character if he didn't wrestle with himself over falling in love with a mage...

[R2s Muse]

@moto, I'm primarily a Fenris-mancer, too, and I agree; I think we get to see more of the romance itself, which I loved. With Anders, there was SO much baggage. Initially, I had a hard time believing that he'd spent every night for three years aching for me... And then later, (IMO) he treated me so shabbily with all the lies surrounding the Chantry thing. With him, I sorta felt like we'd been married for too long and the spark was gone; he was instead really married to his cause. But then... I wouldn't be surprised if part of that was intentional.

With DA:O, I still think the Alistair romance is better and hits me more in the feels. But the other romances and relationships didn't really do it for me at all. At least with DA2 I enjoyed both the Fenris and Anders romances, and a little bit Isabela, but when it came down to it, she wasn't really my type.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

LMAO! That reminds me of something I saw on YouTube, that made me literally ****** myself with laughter:

Skip to after the love scene, it's hilarious:

OMG more violent honking laughter on my end LOL Oh there's a part 2 where her sarcastic Hawke dumps him, and she uses the same line my guy did LOL It's awful. But I love the effects the person adds to the vids. Watch the second one... Anders' scary face... now we know why he blew up the chantry xD

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Oh, speaking of Anders and Fenris, I posted this recently in the Anders thread but it got ignored = buuut I really wanted to share my shock and horror/amusement over what happened and maybe the Cullen thread can appreciate it better lol

--> OMG YOU GUYS. In my current playthrough, just to shake things up, I'm roleplaying that Hawke is in love with Fenris but since Fenris was with him during the Deep Roads, he associates him with Bethany's death, blah blah blah. So while avoiding Fenris, he goes to Anders for comfort. I've never broken up with Anders before, so I wondered how it would be... so after they make love, feeling like an ass, I hit the "break-up" button, thinking Hawke would at least be gentle, admit he isn't in love, etc. etc. No. The **** says, to Anders' FACE, "Sorry, you just weren't that good." *smirk* OMGGGG It was so awful I couldn't stop laughing LOL Like watching a train wreck. I was choking horrific snorts of laughter. Like, really? I guess that's what I get for playing a sarcastic Hawke LOL

LMAO! That reminds me of something I saw on YouTube, that made me literally ****** myself with laughter:

Skip to after the love scene, it's hilarious:




It would have been even funnier if Hawke had replied with what your one said to him.

Oh man, that vid! That's the only time I've seen the hard core breakup; I couldn't do it myself. I had no idea Hawke could say something like 'you weren't that good.' That's SO harsh. That's like aggressive Hawke harsh.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:02 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Interesting confession. I suppose Rhys and Evangeline didn't have angst in their relationship and... honestly, I thought it was a little lackluster. I think a mage-templar romance needs to be earned. I think it can eventually be sweet and epic and beautiful etc, but only after going through the rollercoaster.

Reminds me of something one of the writers... Mary Kirby I think... said in the Varric thread about why he wouldn't be a good romance, because a romance story needs its ups and downs. Just smooth sailing makes for good RL romance but crappy fiction.

I'd still romance the arse off Varric, just cos it's Varric! He's a legend!

But anyway, I agree about the Rhys and Evangeline thing, but I put it down to the fact that Asunder was a book rather than a game and focused more on the whole situation at hand, rather than a specific protagonist 'n' his/her followers. Also, Rhys and Evangeline were in their 40's so they were most likely a bit more laid back, so less inclined to be super dramatic.

To be honest, I get the impression that most "good" and/or naive Templars wouldn't be too put off about dating a mage, since a lot of the "good" ones we've met so far seem to be quite sympathetic and don't consider them to be much of a threat, unless they turn to blood magic. However, Cullen seems to be a little different to most Templars (even before his torture) because he appears to be very sensitive and strict on himself when it comes to his duty and his own conscience. Add to the mix the fact that the poor guys been through hell and back at the hands of both mages and Templars, and you've got yourself a man who has a lot of emotional and mental scars to overcome. And that's not even including the fact that he's got to find his place in the world again and discover for himself what he truly wants and believes in.

So I personally feel that there can be no such thing as a "smooth/normal" romance between Cullen and a mage protagonist (I don't think he could even have a "smooth/normal" romance with a non-mage either lol) and rightly so. With Cullen's backstory and all the horrible things he's seen and experienced throughout his life, an easy 'n' drama-free romance arc would feel like a complete rip-off. The man deserves nothing less than the most angsty, dramatic, heartbreaking, gut wrenching and amazing romance with the protagonist that has ever taken place in a Dragon Age game! 

Make it so BioWare! 

Modifié par LolaLei, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:19 .

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

LMAO! That reminds me of something I saw on YouTube, that made me literally ****** myself with laughter:

Skip to after the love scene, it's hilarious:

OMG more violent honking laughter on my end LOL Oh there's a part 2 where her sarcastic Hawke dumps him, and she uses the same line my guy did LOL It's awful. But I love the effects the person adds to the vids. Watch the second one... Anders' scary face... now we know why he blew up the chantry xD

That's his "imma stab-a-b!tch" face! 

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Lmao, the "Wa, wa, wa, wa, waaaaa!" Is what really set me off into a fit of giggles. His face and everything...LOL. I feel kind of bad though, knowing his past and stuff (from Awakenings) I just can't break up with a character. They look so broken and everything. Never could do it in DA:O either. Tried it once with Alistair just to see what would happen—big regret—reloaded the game after that!

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Lmao, the "Wa, wa, wa, wa, waaaaa!" Is what really set me off into a fit of giggles. His face and everything...LOL. I feel kind of bad though, knowing his past and stuff (from Awakenings) I just can't break up with a character. They look so broken and everything. Never could do it in DA:O either. Tried it once with Alistair just to see what would happen—big regret—reloaded the game after that!

DA:A Anders would be like:

"It's cool gurl, I done your sister last night anyway... (She was better!)" *runs off giggling*

Ah man, awakening Anders was the best! 

[VampOrchid]

Here's a good question.

Let's pretend that Cullen is for sure in DA3. And it's an awesum romance. It's got all the endings imaginable and all the content to keep us drooling and replaying the game over and over. Now. lets just say that Greg doesn't do his VO, would it still be 'Cullen' for you?

[VampOrchid]

OH yeah, I caved and checked out that thread, and wrote a response lol

http://social.biowar...6663/4#14923995

[LolaLei]

VampOrchid wrote...

Here's a good question.

Let's pretend that Cullen is for sure in DA3. And it's an awesum romance. It's got all the endings imaginable and all the content to keep us drooling and replaying the game over and over. Now. lets just say that Greg doesn't do his VO, would it still be 'Cullen' for you?

I think I'd be kinda sad that Greg Ellis wasn't voicing him, since Cullen has such a distinct voice that we've grown used to over the course of two games. However, I would prefer Cullen to be a companion/LI than not at all, so I'd just have embrace his new voice and get used to it lol. 

[LolaLei]

VampOrchid wrote...

OH yeah, I caved and checked out that thread, and wrote a response lol

http://social.biowar...6663/4#14923995

LOL well said! 

[LolaLei]

Y'know, even though things have been pretty slow in here lately, we're still moving at a steady rate. We've been jumping up between 1 to 4 pages a day recently, which is still better than slowing to a complete stop for days/weeks/months on end lol.

[LolaLei]

Ah balls, apparently it looks like we won't get to see the vid of the DA3 panel at the Edmonton expo after all. Evil Chris said:

"The DA3 panel has a bunch of technical issues that we're trying to fix, but doesn't look good."

Thank the Maker that Cameron tweeted us a blow-by-blow account!

[PorcelynDoll]

LolaLei wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

Here's a good question.

Let's pretend that Cullen is for sure in DA3. And it's an awesum romance. It's got all the endings imaginable and all the content to keep us drooling and replaying the game over and over. Now. lets just say that Greg doesn't do his VO, would it still be 'Cullen' for you?

I think I'd be kinda sad that Greg Ellis wasn't voicing him, since Cullen has such a distinct voice that we've grown used to over the course of two games. However, I would prefer Cullen to be a companion/LI than not at all, so I'd just have embrace his new voice and get used to it lol. 

I don't think we have to worry about that. There's already a picture of Greg recording for DA3.

The little confession pic :
I am curious how a mage will get to be the inquistor in the first place. I believe love conquers all but I think if you are going the maleficar route (blood mage, using your magic to harm people instead of helping them), there should be angst and conflict.

Modifié par PorcelynDoll, 14 novembre 2012 - 07:43 .

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

No, you're right, but that's the Anders romance = I have to admit, I do have to move the story along in my head a bit with Anders/Hawke. The cute flirtation moves along nicely at first, but then things just barrel roll, and I never really figure out what's going on between them, if anything at all.

I guess I'm spoiled b/c I'm a Fenris-mancer and that romance is just .... better written? xD No offense to Hepler (right?) b/c Anders is an awesome character, but the romance seems skirted around. But with Fenris, Hawke does learn A LOT about him, and sees him being vulnerable, angry, sweet, funny... sees every side of him. Which is nice in a romance, and comparable to the Alistair romance I think.

But the Alistair romance feels more in depth I think b/c Alistair played such a HUGE part in the overall story, whereas Fenris literally had nothing to do with the main story.

I'm doing a Fenris friendship romance currently, but it's really grabbing me (although to be fair, neither does Anders romance LOL). Ah, I dunno, the DA2 LI's just feel really lacklustre to me. 

Ah, now I always do the Fenris 'mance up until the breakup and move on to Anders because I can't persuade myself that it was anything more than physical with Fenris. The passion is there, but the whole emotional aspect seems to have fallen through the cracks... or maybe it would be better to say that it's all on Hawke's part. Even on rivalry, it's all about Hawke being caring and supportive while Fenris just laps it up. I know that the whole point  was that Fenris was uncomfortable with the emotions he was feeling, but it still left me cold. Maybe if he had appeared more conflicted while leaving, it would have helped.

"I... I want to stay. I wish... It doesn't matter. Everything that I have done - everything that I am - is because... I can't. Maker help me, Hawke, I wish it didn't have to be this way. I'm sorry."

Actually, I could see that happening with Cullen. If they decide to go with a situation where the lover walks out again, that is. If they did it like that, with the vocalized reluctance to leave, I'd have a much easier time waiting around for him to resolve his issues.

[meanieweenie]

berelinde wrote...
Ah, now I always do the Fenris 'mance up until the breakup and move on to Anders because I can't persuade myself that it was anything more than physical with Fenris. The passion is there, but the whole emotional aspect seems to have fallen through the cracks... or maybe it would be better to say that it's all on Hawke's part. Even on rivalry, it's all about Hawke being caring and supportive while Fenris just laps it up. I know that the whole point  was that Fenris was uncomfortable with the emotions he was feeling, but it still left me cold. Maybe if he had appeared more conflicted while leaving, it would have helped.

"I... I want to stay. I wish... It doesn't matter. Everything that I have done - everything that I am - is because... I can't. Maker help me, Hawke, I wish it didn't have to be this way. I'm sorry."

Actually, I could see that happening with Cullen. If they decide to go with a situation where the lover walks out again, that is. If they did it like that, with the vocalized reluctance to leave, I'd have a much easier time waiting around for him to resolve his issues.

Hear hear! I have to say that both of those boys - Fenris and Anders - left me feeling used. Fenris was all "gimme gimme, wo is me, I'm so damaged, bye" and Anders felt like "I'm going to shag Hawke so I have somewhere safe to crash with the bonus of booty calls while I plot and scheme".

It would've been much easier a pill to swallow had there been some kind of vocalized reluctance to augment Fenris' little quick speach he gave right after the love scene. What we got seemed like something you'd hear after accidentally waking up with a stranger post night of heavy drinking. lol

[berelinde]

Of course, we don't know the background our protagonist in DA3 will have. With Hawke, it was a lot harder for me to justify waiting around for a character who did not seem all that interested to begin with. All Hawke's life, s/he has been forced to accept loss and carry on. Love a home? Don't get too attached, we'll be leaving as soon as the templars find out about us. Dad? Gone. Buck up, kid, the fate of the family is in your hands now. Sister/brother? Dead, and it's all your fault. Don't you dare fall apart on us, though, because we're counting on you to save us from the Blight. Etc, etc, etc. Hawke has had a lifetime to practice letting go. When Fenris walks, it's just one more time. Moving on makes perfect sense. I didn't get the impression that Anders was hitting on Hawke just to get somewhere comfortable to live. I got the impression that he asked to move in because he couldn't bear to be parted for a moment unless it was absolutely necessary, which in itself is kinda creepy, but at least it isn't manipulative. Yes, in year 7, Anders does get demanding, but circumstances at that point are rather unique.

Aaaand this isn't even remotely about Cullen at this point. I started out with the intention of showing how a loss and reconciliation approach could work with him because of his own lingering reservations about personal attachments and conflicted beliefs about being with a mage (if applicable), but I kinda got side-tracked and now I'm out of time.

[R2s Muse]

LOL A berelinde sighting! Quick!

Good points about Hawke, poor dear. Indeed, Fenris walking out on Hawke still rankles for me... particularly when he then has no problem shagging Isabela later with no angst or recriminations or "bad memories." (OK... done with that particular, recycled rant of mine).

For Cullen, I also could see him having second thoughts about hooking up with PC and leaving. He certainly has baggage aplenty. Hopefully, if they do go that route, we won't have to wait a totally unbelievable THREE years before they reconcile. I think Fenris's feelings might have been more palatable if it was like a month. Hell, even three months, but three years is a pushing it.