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[meanieweenie]

LMVAO! "Diddling my skittle"?

[berelinde]

Very well, I'll bite.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

• His position of authority with regards to life and death over f!Amell.
• His acknowledgement that had things gone differently, he would have executed f!Amell.
• His categorization of his interest in f!Amell as a shameful, childish, infatuation upon her return to the Tower during Broken Circle.

I'm not sure that I would use the word "sweet," exactly, but it does make him endearing as a (trivial) named NPC.

His infatuation with the female Amell or Surana demonstrates that people are people regardless of the uniform they wear. As a templar, he stands around all day watching over (and watching) the mages, and as a very young man, it isn't unreasonable for him to find one or more of his charges attractive. Crushes happen.

Were Cullen another mage or a servant or something, nobody would think twice about this, but Cullen is a templar, and therefore the mage Warden's jailor. He is very well aware of how inappropriate his feelings for her are, as evidenced by numerous lines throughout the game, and he has never acted on them. He has tried to hide his feelings from everyone else, but the apprentice gossip proves that he has not had much luck with that. The point here is that he voluntarily abstains from prolonged contact with her. Okay, he runs away. His retreat isn't dashing or noble, it's awkward. He is not a nameless, faceless templar like Bran by the front door, he has quirks and odd moments just like everyone else. It's human.

His stated willingness to kill the future Warden is his acknowledgment of his duty. We'll never know what would have happened to him if he had been forced to slay her. I don't have the quote bookmarked so I can't put this forward as evidence one way or another, but I seem to remember somebody saying that Cullen was assigned that particular duty specifically because of his not-so-cleverly hidden infatuation. Greagoir would have wanted to reinforce the part of his training that involved templars not letting their personal feelings interfere with the execution of their duty. Some people may find fault with a character who is tasked with killing the protagonist if they became an abomination, but I do not. That's why the Harrowing has templar oversight... but this isn't about the Harrowing, the rules governing it, or even the necessity of it. One thing at a time.

As for his condemnation of his infatuation as childish and shameful, some forebearance may be in order. The aftermath of confessing a fantasy is humiliating enough, let alone an infatuation that defies the rules of his Order. He figuratively got caught with a picture of the Warden in her underwear pinned inside his locker. His reaction was completely understandable.

TL;DR: Humanity is always in the last place you expect to find it.

• His assertion that mages - such as many present suppose to romance him with in DA:3 - "are not people."

Finally, if any or all of the above are acknowledged in your answer as problematic, is your interest in a Cullen/mage romance predicated on his recanting and/or converting to a different viewpoint?  What if he doesn't?  

Cullen's participation in DA2 is limited, but he is not a static character. In Act 1, he is not long out of the Ferelden Circle and the memories of his tenure there are very fresh in his mind. Many non-mages believe that every mage has the potential to become an Uldred, even some of those who should know better. He has not yet learned that the hunger for power, not magic itself, per se, was responsible for the depravities he witnessed. As the years pass, his stated opinions undergo a subtle change. He is never going to go around hugging mages at random, but he tells Hawke, a relative stranger and possibly a known mage (in Act 3) that he once thought serving Meredith and serving the Order were the same, but he is no longer certain. He also tells Hawke that he has fond memories of the Amell Warden as if he were talking about his first crush. 

Speculation is a dangerous thing, but I predict that Cullen is never going to be a rabid mage fan. I would anticipate that radicals on either side - for OR against - are going to make him uneasy. He has seen the dangers of fanatacism in both flavors, and I would think that he would avoid becoming involved with anyone displaying that trait. I predict that his stance will be more moderate than it was at the beginning of DA2.

Should he regain his hatred of mages, I would obviously not be able to romance him with a mage unless there was some kind of rivalry system in place. I would not expect him to ignore the protagonist's class.

All this assumes that he is a follower in DA3, which may not be the case.

[Sable Rhapsody]

LolaLei wrote...
My interest in him is from a purely gameplay/story perspective. I don't wanna shag the pixel guy in real life. 

... Now, if he was a real person, then that would be a completely different matter altogether! 

Oh dear.  It just occurred to me that a lot of the video game people I romance are also people I would not let near me with a 10 foot pole IRL.

I mean, ANDERS?!  Wtf.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Exactly. I mean, I don't sit there diddling my skittle whilst watching Cullen stand around in the Gallows for hours on end. 

LOOOOOOOOL brb laughing forever!!

(And, sure you don't )

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Exactly. I mean, I don't sit there diddling my skittle whilst watching Cullen stand around in the Gallows for hours on end. 

LOOOOOOOOL brb laughing forever!!

(And, sure you don't )

*Takes a bow*

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh dear. I honestly don't have time for the essay this would require.

I made the time. It was a bit rushed, as far as essays go, but your summary pretty much covered it.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

"Diddling my skittle"? Omygosh, that set me off. ROFL

[RosaAquafire]

Haha, yes, to clarify, by "fantasize" I don't mean SIT HERE LITERALLY WISHING THAT CULLEN WOULD LEAP OUT OF THE MONITOR, KISS ME SWEETLY, AND THEN *CENSORED* That's ridiculous, nobody is doing that. I just mean that for even the most roleplay-minded, my-character-is-not-me type of people (like me!), there's a tiny part of you that falls in love with the character you're romancing. Not in a creepy, go outside sort of way, but the way where your heart sort of clenches when your LI tells your character that they've fallen for them.

It's a fantasy in the broadest of terms, and the fact that we don't fantasize about them in THAT WAY just sort of drives my point home. This isn't girls sitting around going ooh mister cullen ooh sweep me away and have problematic abuse scenarios with your questionable consent issues! It's the same enjoyment that comes from stepping over a hill and seeing a beautiful vista, or feeling like a badass when you make the killing blow on a dragon. It's not pathetic when those things fill you with joy and satisfaction. It's just natural human reactions to having your heart strings well manipulated, the sign of good writing.

Modifié par RosaAquafire, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[meanieweenie]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Haha, yes, to clarify, by "fantasize" I don't mean SIT HERE LITERALLY WISHING THAT CULLEN WOULD LEAP OUT OF THE MONITOR, KISS ME SWEETLY, AND THEN *CENSORED* That's ridiculous, nobody is doing that. I just mean that for even the most roleplay-minded, my-character-is-not-me type of people (like me!), there's a tiny part of you that falls in love with the character you're romancing. Not in a creepy, go outside sort of way, but the way where your heart sort of clenches when your LI tells your character that they've fallen for them.

It's a fantasy in the broadest of terms, and the fact that we don't fantasize about them in THAT WAY just sort of drives my point home. This isn't girls sitting around going ooh mister cullen ooh sweep me away and have problematic abuse scenarios with your questionable consent issues! It's the same enjoyment that comes from stepping over a hill and seeing a beautiful vista, or feeling like a badass when you make the killing blow on a dragon. It's not pathetic when those things fill you with joy and satisfaction. It's just natural human reactions to having your heart strings well manipulated, the sign of good writing.

Today... I love you. lol

[Shades_Of_Pale]

RosaAquafire: wow, you are good! I like you already! Now I feel so inferior, lol.

[LolaLei]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Haha, yes, to clarify, by "fantasize" I don't mean SIT HERE LITERALLY WISHING THAT CULLEN WOULD LEAP OUT OF THE MONITOR, KISS ME SWEETLY, AND THEN *CENSORED* That's ridiculous, nobody is doing that. I just mean that for even the most roleplay-minded, my-character-is-not-me type of people (like me!), there's a tiny part of you that falls in love with the character you're romancing. Not in a creepy, go outside sort of way, but the way where your heart sort of clenches when your LI tells your character that they've fallen for them.

It's a fantasy in the broadest of terms, and the fact that we don't fantasize about them in THAT WAY just sort of drives my point home. This isn't girls sitting around going ooh mister cullen ooh sweep me away and have problematic abuse scenarios with your questionable consent issues! It's the same enjoyment that comes from stepping over a hill and seeing a beautiful vista, or feeling like a badass when you make the killing blow on a dragon. It's not pathetic when those things fill you with joy and satisfaction. It's just natural human reactions to having your heart strings well manipulated, the sign of good writing.

I like you! 

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Would templars even feel it if you poked them? Considering all that armor..they may think a fly just slammed into it again because of its shininess.

Do you think the sun ever glares off their armor and blindes enemies?

LOL Having stared at that armor for way to long... and thought way too  much about how to take it off... The plate doesn't completely cover his arms... You could poke him there... :innocent: ahem.

R2 - your ogling doesn't count, as it's for 'research' for your writing. Right? Right?

LOL Of course! Always for science!  Kidding aside, yes, I spent way too long trying to figure out if the breastplate could come off before the skirt... Then I decided, it was my story... Ahem.

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Would templars even feel it if you poked them? Considering all that armor..they may think a fly just slammed into it again because of its shininess.

Do you think the sun ever glares off their armor and blindes enemies?

LOL Having stared at that armor for way to long... and thought way too  much about how to take it off... The plate doesn't completely cover his arms... You could poke him there... :innocent: ahem.

R2 - your ogling doesn't count, as it's for 'research' for your writing. Right? Right?

LOL Of course! Always for science!  Kidding aside, yes, I spent way too long trying to figure out if the breastplate could come off before the skirt... Then I decided, it was my story... Ahem.

In templar armor, the back is almost completely unprotected. Also, there would have to be gaps at the joints or they wouldn't be able to move.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh dear. I honestly don't have time for the essay this would require.

I made the time. It was a bit rushed, as far as essays go, but your summary pretty much covered it.

LOL berelinde, I was pretty much about to say, "what she said." Or what RoseAquaFire said (very eloquent, my dear! stay a while!) LOL now that number one son is in bed, I could write more... Sigh, but why. I've said it all so many times. 

Besides, I'm still a bit skeptical about seeing it reblogged somewhere... Call mè paranoid.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:25 .

[Narcia_]

Wow! A visit from DG, and some really interesting reading today. Who could ask for more? Also, welcome to SableRhapsody and RosaAquafire. Please stick around and hop on the potato bandwagon with us.

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Haha, yes, to clarify, by "fantasize" I don't mean SIT HERE LITERALLY WISHING THAT CULLEN WOULD LEAP OUT OF THE MONITOR, KISS ME SWEETLY, AND THEN *CENSORED* That's ridiculous, nobody is doing that. I just mean that for even the most roleplay-minded, my-character-is-not-me type of people (like me!), there's a tiny part of you that falls in love with the character you're romancing. Not in a creepy, go outside sort of way, but the way where your heart sort of clenches when your LI tells your character that they've fallen for them.

It's a fantasy in the broadest of terms, and the fact that we don't fantasize about them in THAT WAY just sort of drives my point home. This isn't girls sitting around going ooh mister cullen ooh sweep me away and have problematic abuse scenarios with your questionable consent issues! It's the same enjoyment that comes from stepping over a hill and seeing a beautiful vista, or feeling like a badass when you make the killing blow on a dragon. It's not pathetic when those things fill you with joy and satisfaction. It's just natural human reactions to having your heart strings well manipulated, the sign of good writing.

Today... I love you. lol

OMG, DYING, yes, was just going to highlight the same sentence! LMVAO

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh dear. I honestly don't have time for the essay this would require.

I made the time. It was a bit rushed, as far as essays go, but your summary pretty much covered it.

LOL berelinde, I was pretty much about to say, "what she said." Or what RoseAquaFire said (very eloquent, my dear! stay a while!) LOL now that number one son is in bed, I could write more... Sigh, but why. I've said it all so many times. 

Besides, I'm still a bit skeptical about seeing it reblogged somewhere... Call mè paranoid.

It'll happen sooner or later, about this topic or some other crap he wants to peddle.

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

Sigh, but why. I've said it all so many times. 

Who wants to defend why you are a fan of something? What do I look like, Socrates? I like it cause I like it lol And yes after having to explain something a thousand times, it just starts to get old. I think we even get tired of talking about here amongst ourselves. 

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

Besides, I'm still a bit skeptical about seeing it reblogged somewhere... Call mè paranoid.

If I felt uncomfortable about seeing it reblogged somewhere, I wouldn't have posted it. This is a long thread with a limited audience, but it's still publicly accessible. As for reblogging with acid commentary, it happens. Regardless of where something is posted, people will read the post and read the commentary and form their own opinions.

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Sigh, but why. I've said it all so many times. 

Who wants to defend why you are a fan of something? What do I look like, Socrates? I like it cause I like it lol And yes after having to explain something a thousand times, it just starts to get old. I think we even get tired of talking about here amongst ourselves. 

LMVAO Amen to that!

sooo... Back to the potato wagon banter!

Here's a question, obviously catalyzed by our various DG sightings today: when DA3 comes out, what would it take for you to sharpen your pitchfork and head for the Writer's Pit? [keeping firmly in mind that non-childproofed pitchforks are strictly forbidden here in the Cullen thread...]

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Besides, I'm still a bit skeptical about seeing it reblogged somewhere... Call mè paranoid.

If I felt uncomfortable about seeing it reblogged somewhere, I wouldn't have posted it. This is a long thread with a limited audience, but it's still publicly accessible. As for reblogging with acid commentary, it happens. Regardless of where something is posted, people will read the post and read the commentary and form their own opinions.

true... Unless its all taken out of context... But yes, for how insular we are here in our safe house, it is already public.

[berelinde]

What would it take to make me sharpen my pitchfork? Childproofed pitchforks, if they're anything like childproofed aspirin bottles.

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

Here's a question, obviously catalyzed by our various DG sightings today: when DA3 comes out, what would it take for you to sharpen your pitchfork and head for the Writer's Pit? [keeping firmly in mind that non-childproofed pitchforks are strictly forbidden here in the Cullen thread...]

Hmm... I thought about this for a moment and nothing story-related popped up. I have that much faith in the writers. Of course I would be devistated if a LI were unavailable to my character beause of his gender, but that's a touchy subject, and even still, I would not grab my childproof pitchfork. 

I think the only thing that would genuinely upset me is if, like ME3 initially, multiplayer were required in order to get a certain ending or a certain "anything." Not that I do not want to play multiplayer ... I do! But I am on the 360, and as you know we have to pay a lot of money to play online, money I don't have. So yeah!

[Battlebloodmage]

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Sigh, but why. I've said it all so many times. 

Who wants to defend why you are a fan of something? What do I look like, Socrates? I like it cause I like it lol And yes after having to explain something a thousand times, it just starts to get old. I think we even get tired of talking about here amongst ourselves. 

LMVAO Amen to that!

sooo... Back to the potato wagon banter!

Here's a question, obviously catalyzed by our various DG sightings today: when DA3 comes out, what would it take for you to sharpen your pitchfork and head for the Writer's Pit? [keeping firmly in mind that non-childproofed pitchforks are strictly forbidden here in the Cullen thread...]

I don't think there is much, but I would be a bit upset if they kill Cullen in some horrible fashion without you being able to intervene. It would be the worst if you are the one who has to kill him yourself.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:54 .

[R2s Muse]

Wow, moto, Id never heard that about ME3 and multiplayer. I'm already skeptical about MP for DA, but willing to check it out. I also hope its introduction doesn't limit us.

I'm honestly having a hard time coming up with anything pitchfork-worthy as well. The only thing I can imagine is if they were to totally twist my favorite character into something horrific and vile. Like we found out that, for all his mild mannered outer appearance, Cullen was in fact the ringleader of Ser Alrik's rape circle, or he's a pedophile or something like that. Dark is good, but pitch black evil would be a little much for me. If he were to regress to his Mage hating ways? Or suddenly becomes a Lambert-esque leader of the new Templar Order? I could see it, under certain circumstances. of course, Id probably also try to fix him. LOL

edit:and I should add... Would I boycott EA/BW? Or ralły the wagons for a full on lynchin'? Nope. I'd still expect to enjoy the game. But I'd sure be disappointed.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:14 .