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[R2s Muse]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

sooo... Back to the potato wagon banter!

Here's a question, obviously catalyzed by our various DG sightings today: when DA3 comes out, what would it take for you to sharpen your pitchfork and head for the Writer's Pit? [keeping firmly in mind that non-childproofed pitchforks are strictly forbidden here in the Cullen thread...]

I don't think there is much, but I would be a bit upset if they kill Cullen in some horrible fashion without you being able to intervene. It would be the worst if you are the one who has to kill him yourself.

ooh, I've thought about that before... ESP given the Buffy refs we see in DA from time to time. That would be the worst. like when Buffy had to kill Angel to save the world, even tho he wasn't evil anymore. *wibble*

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

Wow, moto, Id never heard that about ME3 and multiplayer. I'm already skeptical about MP for DA, but willing to check it out. I also hope it's introduction does limit us.

I'm honestly having a hard time coming up with anything pitchfork-worthy as well. The only thing I can imagine is if they were to totally twist my favorite character into something horrific and vile. Like we found out that, for all his mild mannered outer appearance, Cullen was in fact the ringleader of Ser Alrik's rape circle, or he's a pedophile or something like that. Dark is good, but pitch black evil would be a little much for me. If he were to regress to his Mage hating ways? Or suddenly becomes a Lambert-esque leader of the new Templar Order? I could see it, under certain circumstances. of course, Id probably also try to fix him. LOL

edit:and I should add... Would I boycott EA/BW? Or ralły the wagons for a full on lynchin'? Nope. I'd still expect to enjoy the game. But I'd sure be disappointed.

It's always the quiet ones, right?

Still, I'd think that would be a reach. I'm all for NPCs (companion or otherwise) returning as adversaries, and I wouldn't mind (too much) if Cullen did, but I dislike cackling villains. If he did show up as an enemy, I'd rather it be like the Arishok than like Meredith.

[R2s Muse]

LOL So Lola's prescience pays off sooner than we expected. New confession.



"DA III: Inquisition - Cullen's Story" Now that's a game I want to play!

[CuriousArtemis]

What makes me shake my head is how little Cullen fans actually talk about him outside this thread. Most of the people starting "Why is Cullen so popular threads?" are not his fans lol They are hyping themselves up!!!

[R2s Muse]

@berelinde - Agree that it would be a reach... I totally don't see that in his character... But at this point... If he's in DA3, I'm expecting something about him to shock us... Particularly given all the dire warnings from DG. So I've been trying to imagine what it could be.

Of course, it could be his last name. Something eeevil and diabolical that breaks my headcanon. Maker, nooooooo!

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

What makes me shake my head is how little Cullen fans actually talk about him outside this thread. Most of the people starting "Why is Cullen so popular threads?" are not his fans lol They are hyping themselves up!!!

LOL I was just thinking the same thing. Where is all this talk going on? He's not a dominant figure on tumblr. He only shows up on the DA3 forums in the type of threads you mention. Why should anyone else care? #stumped

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, imagine if GE had been called in... just to do a five minute death scene lol All this anxiety and speculation for NOTHING!

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL So Lola's prescience pays off sooner than we expected. New confession.



"DA III: Inquisition - Cullen's Story" Now that's a game I want to play!

Just call me "Mystic Meg"! 

[Narcia_]

R2s Muse wrote...

"DA III: Inquisition - Cullen's Story" Now that's a game I want to play!

Me too, R2 

Honestly though, you didn't even have to meet Fenris in DA2 if you didn't want to, and for those who didn't want to play with plot heavy characters, it was pretty easy to avoid putting them in your party. What gets me is that Cullen hasn't even been announced as a companion/LI, let alone shown in official concept art. The fact that someone is afraid that it will turn into "Cullen's Story" is actually pretty funny, imo

Anyway, I choose to interperet DGs post as a very good sign for our favourite templar. Also, I think it was his way of showing a little love to us more "mild mannered" fans that don't b!tch/rage/whine to the devs about every little thing ever. He used a winky smiley and everything^_^

I, personally, plan to enjoy DA3 for what it turns out to be. I'm already liking what I've heard about things they're incorporating from both titles and if a (significant) portion of it happens to involve Cullen, so much the better!

Modifié par Narcia_, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[R2s Muse]

Good points, Narcia_. You'd think he'd been announced as a companion with all the concern.

I like your rosier interpretation of the day's drama. "mild mannered" Yup, that's us.

[R2s Muse]

So, I couldn't resist...



By far the most random of my banners to date. And, with that... I retire.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

So, I couldn't resist...



By far the most random of my banners to date. And, with that... I retire.

YAY! Potato wagon banter! 

[Narcia_]

R2s Muse wrote...

So, I couldn't resist...



By far the most random of my banners to date. And, with that... I retire.

Nice work R2 .

YOINK!

[LolaLei]

The good thing about today, is that all the Cullen uproar 'n' DG's visit has made us jump up a fair amount of pages! Always a bonus. Maybe we'll hit 2000 before spring?

[CuriousArtemis]

I never really read the "Favor and Fault" letter before. It's yet another thing that paints Cullen in a really flattering and honorable light:

Champion Hawke,

As a courtesy for your past service, be aware that I have received complaints about your frequent companion, Guard-Captain Aveline. She is accused of coddling her men and weakening law enforcement in this crucial time. In the absence of a viscount, I am called to vacate her position and assume her authority, but I would rather not have that headache.

Please, speak with her about these claims. As Champion, your word can decide this matter, and save the career of a good woman.

Knight-Captain Cullen 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Narcia_ wrote...
Please stick around and hop on the potato bandwagon with us.

I am totally sticking around, but now I have to ask.

What's with the potatoes?  Are we just fans of starch around here? 

motomotogirl wrote...

I never really read the "Favor and Fault" letter before. It's yet another thing that paints Cullen in a really flattering and honorable light 

TBH I don't like a lot of Act 3 DA2 just because SENSE IT MAKES NONE.  But that's one of the few quests I do like.  Especially by Act 3, Cullen struck me as one of the few people in Kirkwall still actively trying to do the RIGHT thing as opposed to just the pro-mage/pro-templar thing.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[R2s Muse]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Narcia_ wrote...
Please stick around and hop on the potato bandwagon with us.

I am totally sticking around, but now I have to ask.

What's with the potatoes?  Are we just fans of starch around here? 

Yay, new Cullen forumite!!

And, we were speculating about scenarios for character conversations/banter in the new game so that they're not always in the PC's camp/house. One idea was during a "random encounter" while traveling around the map, where you and your companions are traveling in a potato wagon.

Hence, potato wagon banter is our new code word (as of yesterday!)  for random stories/ideas/speculation that we come up with here for fun.  

Viva la potato wagon banter!! 

motomotogirl wrote...

I never really read the "Favor and Fault" letter before. It's yet another thing that paints Cullen in a really flattering and honorable light 

TBH I don't like a lot of Act 3 DA2 just because SENSE IT MAKES NONE.  But that's one of the few quests I do like.  Especially by Act 3, Cullen struck me as one of the few people in Kirkwall still actively trying to do the RIGHT thing as opposed to just the pro-mage/pro-templar thing.

Agree on Favor and Fault. Another good one is the Mage Underground letter, which is also from Cullen. He recommends that, in addition to fighting back against the insurgents, they should also try to change their hearts and minds. He's SUCH a monster!

To Knight-Commander Meredith, re. the so-called "Mage Underground"

Every Circle in Thedas suffers from individual mages who rebel and attempt to flee. These apostates are usually found and returned to the Circle or mercifully killed if they have fallen to demonic temptation. Until now, I have never served anywhere that the populace does not fully cooperate in hunting these rebels.

Here in Kirkwall, citizens actually help rebel mages escape. Escaped apostates have survived their freedom long enough to form the "the mage underground," a network that feeds and shelters escapees and even transports apostates into remote areas of the Free Marches and beyond our easy reach.

As of late, the movement has grown bolder, sending raiding parties into the Gallows in an attempt to break out mages who lack the skills or willpower to escape on their own. This is a grave concern. My recommendation is to fight back, both physically and in turning the minds and hearts of their supporters against them.

—Knight-Captain Cullen

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 novembre 2012 - 12:11 .

[berelinde]

When do you get that letter? I don't remember ever seeing it. Or is that only available on a pro-templar run (which I have done only once, for science, and don't remember all the details.

Honestly, that letter is still a bit too GRRrrrrr for my tastes, but he is writing to his mage-hating superior, so it is possible that he chose an approach that he felt would appeal to her.

[Sable Rhapsody]

R2s Muse wrote...
Hence, potato wagon banter is our new code word (as of yesterday!)  for random stories/ideas/speculation that we come up with here for fun.   

Viva la potato wagon banter!!  

Thanks for clarifying.  It's mercifully not as mind-scarring of an explanation as the ones for some of the Anders thread memes 

berelinde wrote...

When do you get that letter? I don't remember ever seeing it. Or is that only available on a pro-templar run (which I have done only once, for science, and don't remember all the details.

The letter is actually a codex entry on the mage underground.  I don't remember where it becomes available, but I think you pick it up over the course of the main plot, so if you load up a DAII save toward the endgame, you should have that entry.

As for Cullen's tone, I imagine he's probably just using that kind of more aggressive language because a) his audience and what templar wouldn't be frustrated in his shoes?  Not only are civilians actively aiding apostates, but they're putting themselves in incredible danger by doing so.  If the mage is actually dangerous or possessed, they're signing their own death warrant.  If the mage is just an apostate who wants to escape, anyone aiding him/her becomes a target for crueler, more overzealous templars.  Talk about a headache.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

When do you get that letter? I don't remember ever seeing it. Or is that only available on a pro-templar run (which I have done only once, for science, and don't remember all the details.

Honestly, that letter is still a bit too GRRrrrrr for my tastes, but he is writing to his mage-hating superior, so it is possible that he chose an approach that he felt would appeal to her.

According to the wiki, you get it upon accepting the quest Dissent in Act 2, the Ser Alrik quest. I had never read it til someone pointed it out. And, no, he's not all touchy feeling in it, but he's also talking about people breaking in to the Gallows to jailbreak  mages. I don't think even in Act 3 or beyond he'd be OK with that, nor should he, IMO. But it also shows again how puzzled he is that the people in Kirkwall support the mages more than the templars. It's one of the few insights to Cullen we get during Act 2.

[R2s Muse]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

As for Cullen's tone, I imagine he's probably just using that kind of more aggressive language because a) his audience and what templar wouldn't be frustrated in his shoes?  Not only are civilians actively aiding apostates, but they're putting themselves in incredible danger by doing so.  If the mage is actually dangerous or possessed, they're signing their own death warrant.  If the mage is just an apostate who wants to escape, anyone aiding him/her becomes a target for crueler, more overzealous templars.  Talk about a headache.

Also a good point. I do see it as an extension of his speech in Act 1 about how the people themselves no longer see templars as saviors. Hadn't thought about the danger they would put themselves in.

It is rather bold that he'd even suggest "changing hearts and minds" to the Commander, given her "judge, jury and executioner" mindset. In Act 3, she's even sending death squads to people's houses that have been known to aid apostates, so his suggestion is even... radical in that light. LOL

[R2s Muse]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...
Hence, potato wagon banter is our new code word (as of yesterday!)  for random stories/ideas/speculation that we come up with here for fun.   

Viva la potato wagon banter!!  

Thanks for clarifying.  It's mercifully not as mind-scarring of an explanation as the ones for some of the Anders thread memes 

LOL My pleasure. Of course... I've also been dodging potatoes from Shades of Pale for a while, too... so I guess potatoes are becoming our thing around here. LMAO

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

The good thing about today, is that all the Cullen uproar 'n' DG's visit has made us jump up a fair amount of pages! Always a bonus. Maybe we'll hit 2000 before spring?

Oh man, do you think so?? I wonder... anyone want to take bets on when the new companion forums will open up? Last year, at least the LIs were released only a month before game release. Dunno when the forums went live, but probably before that...? So that could be, what, early summer 2013??

[berelinde]

Ah, that probably explains it. My game glitches a bit with the codex entries in that they will often show up in my codex without the popup. I should probably reinstall, but that's a headache.

It is kind of depressing that nobody thought that allowing the mages more contact with their families (scheduled visits in the Gallows) or otherwise alleviating living conditions might make the mages less likely to escape in the first place, but this is Kirkwall. It's odd, though. Clearly, some mages are allowed visitors. Bethany gets them, and Mharen is not only allowed the visits of her suitor but is permitted to go out into the city to meet him. Then again, Mharen could have been a formari like Solitivus. I can understand the desire to restrict visits to certain times and locations for attendance-taking and to keep the Gallows from looking like Grand Central Station, but the number one reason that mages give for breaking out is to go see their families. Letting that happen in a controlled environment would have done wonders for morale. That isn't Cullen's fault. It isn't something that many people would think of without prompting.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, berelinde, that has always puzzled me, as well, since the Fereldan Circle and even the pre-Asunder White Spire seemed to be different. Mages were even let out of the tower from time to time. I'm totally confounded by what the rules were...

Can you remind me who Mharen is again?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:15 .