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[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

It's a good one, it's not often you get to see his mask slip.

He's certainly one tough bastard in DA2 though, if he's a companion/LI then I could imagine him being a tough nut to crack. Hopefully he'd be a little less professional sounding since he wouldn't be working or anything.

You know losing his job/livelihood/reason for living would be a great way to mix that up! Yet again, I hope for the tragic outcome that he's busted for insubordination and no longer a templar in DA3. Not that I wish ill on the guy, but it would be really interesting to see a ripple in that professional facade. heh heh.

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Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[LolaLei]

Yeah, it would be nice to see the man behind the Templar, since we haven't really seen that since the Mage origin in DA:O. Sure, there's the odd mask slip here and there, but otherwise he's pretty stone faced. Seems a shame really, since Greg Ellis has quite the range of VO abilities, some of which would be nice to see in Cullen.

[VampOrchid]

I think it would be cool to have some kind of interrogation scene with him. Because honestly, I don't picture him cracking under any circumstances, specially considering what he's already been through.

[littlenikki]

Huh, never knew that about the Ander's socks thing. Ya learn something new everyday! I need my Mabari though, so yea that'll just have to be a YouTube thing for me as well, like watching Alistair make the killing blow for the Archdemon and sacrificing himself *shudder*

I was hoping for Cullen to have been booted from the Order if we have him in DA3. Maybe I'm just mean, but I'd like to see how he would react after such a harsh punishment for his actions against his commanding officer in DA 2.

[VampOrchid]

littlenikki wrote...


I was hoping for Cullen to have been booted from the Order if we have him in DA3. Maybe I'm just mean, but I'd like to see how he would react after such a harsh punishment for his actions against his commanding officer in DA 2.

See I'm thinking that's the only way he would 'leave'. So I've actually been pondering the same thing!! That would give him a reason to be all lone wolf and angsty lol

[LolaLei]

I think I'd like him to either A) have left the Templar order of his own accord because he doesn't believe in what the newly rebelled order stands for. Or Tried to stand up against them and gets himself thrown in a dungeon or tortured, so that he can experience what mages go through, thus giving him a eureka moment.

Not gonna lie, I'm more than a little concerned that he was one of the Knight Commanders who agreed with the Templars splitting from the Chantry. I mean, he was second in Command in Kirkwall, so now Meredith's dead in theory he's taken over her place. Let's hope he got the hell out of there the minute he heard the news!

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[LolaLei]

You know I hate? That sodding battle right near the end by Hawke's statue. For the life of me I can't get past it as a pro-Templar because I had to kill Anders and I always end up forgetting to stock up on health potions and I'm not a sodding Mage this time, so I can't be a healer... Not that it helps because everyone dies too quick despite their constitution and individual strength being as high as I can possibly make it.

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

I think I'd like him to either A) have left the Templar order of his own accord because he doesn't believe in what the newly rebelled order stands for. Or Tried to stand up against them and gets himself thrown in a dungeon or tortured, so that he can experience what mages go through, thus giving him a eureka moment.

Not gonna lie, I'm more than a little concerned that he was one of the Knight Commanders who agreed with the Templars splitting from the Chantry. I mean, he was second in Command in Kirkwall, so now Meredith's dead in theory he's taken over her place. Let's hope he got the hell out of there the minute he heard the news!

There's just way too many possibilities that is stressful lol. Come on SPRING!

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

I think I'd like him to either A) have left the Templar order of his own accord because he doesn't believe in what the newly rebelled order stands for. Or Tried to stand up against them and gets himself thrown in a dungeon or tortured, so that he can experience what mages go through, thus giving him a eureka moment.

Not gonna lie, I'm more than a little concerned that he was one of the Knight Commanders who agreed with the Templars splitting from the Chantry. I mean, he was second in Command in Kirkwall, so now Meredith's dead in theory he's taken over her place. Let's hope he got the hell out of there the minute he heard the news!

Unless, of course they demoted and/or kicked him out for flagrantly disobeying orders. I feel like, if they make him seperated from the Order not by his own choice, that gives him a pretty equal ground when it comes to the Mage/Templar issue. I mean, yea he distrusts mages, but being kicked out of the only place he sought duty and belonging from would put a damper on that Templar side as well. I want my Cullen to be all sorts of jacked up!  

[VampOrchid]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think I'd like him to either A) have left the Templar order of his own accord because he doesn't believe in what the newly rebelled order stands for. Or Tried to stand up against them and gets himself thrown in a dungeon or tortured, so that he can experience what mages go through, thus giving him a eureka moment.

Not gonna lie, I'm more than a little concerned that he was one of the Knight Commanders who agreed with the Templars splitting from the Chantry. I mean, he was second in Command in Kirkwall, so now Meredith's dead in theory he's taken over her place. Let's hope he got the hell out of there the minute he heard the news!

Unless, of course they demoted and/or kicked him out for flagrantly disobeying orders. I feel like, if they make him seperated from the Order not by his own choice, that gives him a pretty equal ground when it comes to the Mage/Templar issue. I mean, yea he distrusts mages, but being kicked out of the only place he sought duty and belonging from would put a damper on that Templar side as well. I want my Cullen to be all sorts of jacked up!  

JACKED!<3

[littlenikki]

VampOrchid wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think I'd like him to either A) have left the Templar order of his own accord because he doesn't believe in what the newly rebelled order stands for. Or Tried to stand up against them and gets himself thrown in a dungeon or tortured, so that he can experience what mages go through, thus giving him a eureka moment.

Not gonna lie, I'm more than a little concerned that he was one of the Knight Commanders who agreed with the Templars splitting from the Chantry. I mean, he was second in Command in Kirkwall, so now Meredith's dead in theory he's taken over her place. Let's hope he got the hell out of there the minute he heard the news!

Unless, of course they demoted and/or kicked him out for flagrantly disobeying orders. I feel like, if they make him seperated from the Order not by his own choice, that gives him a pretty equal ground when it comes to the Mage/Templar issue. I mean, yea he distrusts mages, but being kicked out of the only place he sought duty and belonging from would put a damper on that Templar side as well. I want my Cullen to be all sorts of jacked up!  

JACKED!<3

I actually meant "jacked up" as in messed up, but yes, I would like him jacked up as well in the physical sense 

[LolaLei]

Hehehe!

Nikki: I guess my theory has always been that he'd leave and head straight to the Divine, remaining as one of her loyal. Mainly because he goes on about serving the Divine and doing what's right for her etc a lot, so I can't imagine him saying "screw you Miss Divine I'm off to kill me some mages!"

... Plus, she's got all the lyrium. Good loyal Templar = Lots of free drugs!

[R2s Muse]

I'm still partial to the notion where he was busted for insubordination and so is now disgraced. I'm torn however between him languishing in half-naked grimy prison or running around ronin-style helping the helpless as a mercenary (cue good, bad and the ugly theme).

[littlenikki]

R2s Muse wrote...

I'm still partial to the notion where he was busted for insubordination and so is now disgraced. I'm torn however between him languishing in half-naked grimy prison or running around ronin-style helping the helpless as a mercenary (cue good, bad and the ugly theme).

I'm thinking that maybe the higher ups in the Order may have thrown all the blame onto Cullen, therefore not just punishing him for disobeying but also using him as a scapegoat for Meredith's massive failures. I'm really doubting the idea that they'd promote him after everything that happened there, also considering the Kirkwall Circle where he is stationed is all but destroyed.

[R2s Muse]

Nikki: I find that very plausible. I head canon that the story of what really happened is hard for most to believe. This is probably part of the reason no one really knows what happened, like Cassandra.

[LolaLei]

What I've always wondered is if he'd feel like he'd need to repent for his "sins".

For example, maybe he did rebel with the other Templars, but soon realised that they were corrupt and left, or just decided to quit the Order after he killed Meredith because he had a "eureka moment" and realised that the Order no longer stood by it's old principles (which he realises hadn't been in place since before he even joined). As such he has an attack of guilt for all the blood on his hands. To repent he seeks to help those in need, which is where he stumbles upon our new protagonist 'n' co. 

Then something big happens eventually and he puts his own life in danger to save mages/the protagonist/whoever, thus finally earning forgiveness within himself (either by death, if you let him die) or by living to see the praise and feel the weight off his shoulders (if you done his loyalty quest/have a high enough friendship/save him).

I think seeing him openly struggling with his conscience and need to do the right thing/repent would win him some respect, especially if he manages to redeem himself. Kinda like Sagacious Zu in Jade Empire.

[littlenikki]

R2s Muse wrote...

Nikki: I find that very plausible. I head canon that the story of what really happened is hard for most to believe. This is probably part of the reason no one really knows what happened, like Cassandra.

Not only that, but it makes sense that the Order wouldn't want to tell anybody the truth about it, so people are probably just going off of rumors and exaggerated stories *cough*Varric*cough*. Massive cover up is the name of the game!

[LolaLei]

Nikki: I actually really like that idea! I mean, sure there were Templar witnesses who helped, but who ever is left in charge (Lambert or whatever) could easily just claim that they must be under the influence of blood magic, or worst still claim that Cullen talked them into turning against Meredith because he was secretly working with Hawke. Then everyone would presume he was a traitor/spy within the ranks and punish him accordingly.

Hell, they could even persuade the Templars who aided Cullen to lie and turn against him. I'm sure the promise of coin and lyrium would encourage them to backstab their superior.

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Nikki: I actually really like that idea! I mean, sure there were Templar witnesses who helped, but who ever is left in charge (Lambert or whatever) could easily just claim that they must be under the influence of blood magic, or worst still claim that Cullen talked them into turning against Meredith because he was secretly working with Hawke. Then everyone would presume he was a traitor/spy within the ranks and punish him accordingly.

Hell, they could even persuade the Templars who aided Cullen to lie and turn against him. I'm sure the promise of coin and lyrium would encourage them to backstab their superior.

The messed up part is, it wouldn't even be considered lying or turning against him. Your higher up gives you an order, you follow it. This is how it's unfolding in my head (feel free to take note Bioware writers! ) Cullen as the second in command, gets all the blame thrown on him due to Meredith being dead/statue-ized. Any templars involved are ordered to keep their mouths shut with the threat of imprisonment or dismissal (which due to lyrium addiction, equals madness and/or death) Some may even be convinced through persuasion that everything in fact was Cullen's fault. Think about it. Cullen was there when the Ferelden Circle almost fell (or did, depending on who you sided with) Now the Kirkwall Circle fails as well, as he is stationed there? It'd be WAY too easy for them to blame it on him, to protect the Order from looking weak by pinning it all on one Templar.

Modifié par littlenikki, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:46 .

[VampOrchid]

R2s Muse wrote...

 him languishing in half-naked grimy prison.

Hewwo prisoner!

[LolaLei]

Nikki: I hadn't even considered throwing the DA:O events into the mix! I could just imagine the seeds of doubt being planted in people's heads: 

"Isn't it a bit of a "coincidence" that Cullen was the only Templar locked in Kinloch Hold to survive a blood-mage uprising, then he transfers to Kirkwall and the blood mages rise up in arms again, this time aiding them in killing his superior!" - (Because you can bet your arse that Meredith sent word of her paranoia that the entire Kirkwall circle had succumbed to blood magic lol.)

Man, could you imagine how badly that would effect Cullen! Having his painful experiences dragged up again and then used against him as a reason why he "betrayed" the Order, especially since it's a bare faced lie. Now that's angst!

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:55 .

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Nikki: I hadn't even considered throwing the DA:O events into the mix! I could just imagine the seeds of doubt being planted in people's heads: 

"Isn't it a bit of a "coincidence" that Cullen was the only Templar locked in Kinloch Hold to survive a blood-mage uprising, then he transfers to Kirkwall and the blood mages rise up in arms again, this time he aiding them in killing his superior!" - (Because you can bet your arse that Meredith sent word of her paranoia that the entire Kirkwall circle had succumbed to blood magic lol.)

Man, could you imagine how badly that would effect Cullen! Having his painful experiences dragged up again and then used against him as a reason why he "betrayed" the Order, especially because it's a bare faced lie. Now that's angst!

That's it, this totally has to happen or I will riot  I have my pitchfork and torches ready!

[LolaLei]

Nikki: Man, how awesome would it be if that was his storyline. Especially if, as a result, he had to escape Kirkwall or wherever to prevent them from killing him (perhaps he had been smacked about a bit prior to his escape?)

Something I do wonder (if that survey leak holds any truth), is on his fruity new outfit is the sword of mercy insignia on one of his flappy bits (I'd call it a skirt, but it looks more like hanging bits of material). Does that mean he is indeed still a Templar? Or did the Divine keep the logo and the rebel Templars opted for plain armour? Is he just wearing it for sentimental reasons? Or is it for the players benefit, so that we can recognise him since that's always been his "thing".

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 novembre 2012 - 03:04 .

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Nikki: Man, how awesome would it be if that was his storyline. Especially if, as a result, he had to escape Kirkwall or wherever to prevent them from killing him (perhaps he had been smacked about a bit prior to his escape?)

Something I do wonder (if that survey leak holds any truth), is on his fruity new outfit is the sword of mercy insignia on one of his flappy bits (I'd call it a skirt, but it looks more like hanging bits of material). Does that mean he is indeed still a Templar? Or did the Divine keep the logo and the rebel Templars opted for plain armour? Is he just wearing it for sentimental reasons? Or is it for the players benefit, so that we can recognise him since that's always been his "thing".

If that's the case, you just know I'm gonna be struttin 'round here yapping about how I totally called it  I think there was speculation going around that the insignia on his "flappy bits" was upside down, as a sort of rebel-templar thing perhaps. Looking back at it, they've flipped that symbol from DA:Origins and DA2, so it might just be a design error. I could definitely see Cullen still sporting that symbol, despite being thrown out of the Order and such. It's obvious he very deeply believes what the Templars do is what's right for the world, and it being his duty to protect the innocent from dangerous mages. Could be that they just want us to recognize him as that same Cullen too, like you said. It makes sense from a character design concept point of view.

Modifié par littlenikki, 19 novembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[LolaLei]

You're right, it is facing upwards like the DA:O Templar insignia! That's an interesting concept about him possibly rebelling by wearing it the other way up. Perhaps he was so ashamed of serving with the Kirkwall Templars, that he literally went back to his roots and went retro LOL! Or maybe it was a keep sake from his time in the Ferelden circle, so he decided to wear it? Either way, it's nice to see him in something with a little more personality.

There's another design on his other flappy bit, but the white box covers it up. Made me wonder if it was the Inquisition symbol.