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LOL This is awesome. I totally see him being a gentleman, sorta like Alistair's sensibilities toward women... but without the jokiness. It would be hilarious for the PC to get jealous if he does that sorta thing (holds door, drapes cloak over puddle) for someone else...  and he's totally baffled by her reaction. That would be cute.  It could dovetail with what we've talked about with him only really knowing about relationships from books... ahem. But this time perhaps his knowledge is only based on the courtly love tales as opposed to the more salacious ones. LOL

I would much rather be surprised at the chivalry of courtly love tales than have him pull out something random from a trashy novel. There's no turning back once you've made some mistakes:Posted Image
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Based on what Alistair indicated the chantry teaches them about sex, and based on his conduct so far I definitely see him as a courteous and polite individual. I mean, he's obviously considerate (the letter about Aveline, the paying you because Keran's sister can't afford to. Even the coming clean to your mage about his role at his/her harrowing). It definitely isn't a stretch for me to imagine him extending that professional courtesy to everyday things as a matter of course.

I get the impression that Cullen often thinks about others before himself. As we've seen, he has his doubts about a great many things, but he will inevitably act based on what he believes is right rather than staying silent forever. He does not take pleasure in abusing his authority or acting like a bully, he considers himself a protector of the public and mages alike. Personally I see his real problem being demons or those who would seek power by contracting with demons (blood mages). He's certainly well aware of how power corrupts regular folks too, thanks to Meredith. I think she may have also taught him that the chain of command isn't all it's cracked up to be ...  Add to that, that one of his mental problems after his torture at the circle was probably a serious case of survivors guilt.

Whatever they have him do in the next game, be it staying loyal to the chantry, rebelling, striking out on his own or getting court marshalled, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I just hope he is a companion so we can have a chance to ask him why he made the decisions he did.

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Narcia_ wrote...

Based on what Alistair indicated the chantry teaches them about sex, and based on his conduct so far I definitely see him as a courteous and polite individual. I mean, he's obviously considerate (the letter about Aveline, the paying you because Keran's sister can't afford to. Even the coming clean to your mage about his role at his/her harrowing). It definitely isn't a stretch for me to imagine him extending that professional courtesy to everyday things as a matter of course.

I get the impression that Cullen often thinks about others before himself. As we've seen, he has his doubts about a great many things, but he will inevitably act based on what he believes is right rather than staying silent forever. He does not take pleasure in abusing his authority or acting like a bully, he considers himself a protector of the public and mages alike. Personally I see his real problem being demons or those who would seek power by contracting with demons (blood mages). He's certainly well aware of how power corrupts regular folks too, thanks to Meredith. I think she may have also taught him that the chain of command isn't all it's cracked up to be ...  Add to that, that one of his mental problems after his torture at the circle was probably a serious case of survivors guilt.

Whatever they have him do in the next game, be it staying loyal to the chantry, rebelling, striking out on his own or getting court marshalled, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I just hope he is a companion so we can have a chance to ask him why he made the decisions he did.



Very good point Narcia! I forget that part about the Chantry, but for Alistair he learned that by growing up by their guidance. Not sure they'll make Cullen have that same background, but I'm sure the Chantry tries to instill some chivalry in their knights. Doesn't seem to be very sucessful, as there are talks of many corrupt and lewd Templars, recruits going to visit the brothel and such.

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Narcia_ wrote...

Whatever they have him do in the next game, be it staying loyal to the chantry, rebelling, striking out on his own or getting court marshalled, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I just hope he is a companion so we can have a chance to ask him why he made the decisions he did.


Well said! (all of it, but particularly this part! ^_^)

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littlenikki wrote...

Narcia_ wrote...

Based on what Alistair indicated the chantry teaches them about sex, and based on his conduct so far I definitely see him as a courteous and polite individual. I mean, he's obviously considerate (the letter about Aveline, the paying you because Keran's sister can't afford to. Even the coming clean to your mage about his role at his/her harrowing). It definitely isn't a stretch for me to imagine him extending that professional courtesy to everyday things as a matter of course.

I get the impression that Cullen often thinks about others before himself. As we've seen, he has his doubts about a great many things, but he will inevitably act based on what he believes is right rather than staying silent forever. He does not take pleasure in abusing his authority or acting like a bully, he considers himself a protector of the public and mages alike. Personally I see his real problem being demons or those who would seek power by contracting with demons (blood mages). He's certainly well aware of how power corrupts regular folks too, thanks to Meredith. I think she may have also taught him that the chain of command isn't all it's cracked up to be ...  Add to that, that one of his mental problems after his torture at the circle was probably a serious case of survivors guilt.

Whatever they have him do in the next game, be it staying loyal to the chantry, rebelling, striking out on his own or getting court marshalled, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I just hope he is a companion so we can have a chance to ask him why he made the decisions he did.



Very good point Narcia! I forget that part about the Chantry, but for Alistair he learned that by growing up by their guidance. Not sure they'll make Cullen have that same background, but I'm sure the Chantry tries to instill some chivalry in their knights. Doesn't seem to be very sucessful, as there are talks of many corrupt and lewd Templars, recruits going to visit the brothel and such.

I always wonder if there's a bit of difference in the training between the rank and file and those intended to be officers, like boot camps vs. candidate school. There are some tantalizing mentions in the Chantry hierarchy codex that suggest that some templars take vows as initiates and part of their academic education is martial.

Only those folk who take vows become initiates. These are men and women
in training, whether in academic knowledge or the martial skills of a
warrior. All initiates receive an academic education, although only
those who seek to become templars learn how to fight in addition.


So it could be that not all templars are 'created' equal, with  perhaps the officers receiving an actual Chantry education.

Of course, this also muddies the waters about the nature of templar vows. I think of an initiate's vows being like those Sebastian took that include chastity, whereas we know from DG that templars don't take a vow of chastity. So... maybe this codex is just wrong in general. :shrug: It's ostensibly from "a guide for ambassadors from Rivain." LOL

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littlenikki wrote...

Narcia_ wrote...

Based on what Alistair indicated the chantry teaches them about sex, and based on his conduct so far I definitely see him as a courteous and polite individual. I mean, he's obviously considerate (the letter about Aveline, the paying you because Keran's sister can't afford to. Even the coming clean to your mage about his role at his/her harrowing). It definitely isn't a stretch for me to imagine him extending that professional courtesy to everyday things as a matter of course.


Very good point Narcia! I forget that part about the Chantry, but for Alistair he learned that by growing up by their guidance. Not sure they'll make Cullen have that same background, but I'm sure the Chantry tries to instill some chivalry in their knights. Doesn't seem to be very sucessful, as there are talks of many corrupt and lewd Templars, recruits going to visit the brothel and such.


It's true, who knows what his background really is, but he seems pretty devout so I wouldn't be surprised if he was also chantry educated as opposed to someone who just needed work or wanted to carry a sword and feel like a big man B)

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R2s Muse wrote...

So it could be that not all templars are 'created' equal, with  perhaps the officers receiving an actual Chantry education.

Of course, this also muddies the waters about the nature of templar vows. I think of an initiate's vows being like those Sebastian took that include chastity, whereas we know from DG that templars don't take a vow of chastity. So... maybe this codex is just wrong in general. :shrug: It's ostensibly from "a guide for ambassadors from Rivain." LOL

Maybe it's kind of like lent: there are general core vows that everyone follows (like no meat on Fridays) and then the individual gets to chose what else they'll give up, according to whatever their own personal vices may be. A vow of chastity may not be as big a deal for some as much as say... I don't know... a vow of silence or alcohol or something. Isn't the idea to give up something that would be considered a sacrifice to a degree? (I'm hoping I'm not offending Catholics here, as I'm only familiar with the basics of lent.)

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I would imagine the templar vow is all about upholding the teachings of Andraste (whatever that may be), vowing to protect the innocent from the corruption of magic, and so on and so forth. And like meanie says, an individual may choose to be particularly devout by swearing to be chaste or abstaining from alcohol, but one doesn't need to be a knight to do so. Any Andrastian could do so.

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.@[username removed] -not a steampunk setting -Still in the Dragon Age so no huge time jumps -no gryphon riding (sorry) -not a framed narrative"

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Tweet from Mark Darrah answering someone's question (dunno what he asked, but here's the answer lol):

"-not a steampunk setting
-Still in the Dragon Age so no huge time jumps
-no gryphon riding (sorry)
-not a framed narrative"

*Pouts* No gryphon riding for me.

*Edit* :ph34r:'ed

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 novembre 2012 - 05:22 .


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Steampunk! :o That never even occurred to me lol That would be cool though. Someone make a steampunk game!

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motomotogirl wrote...

Steampunk! :o That never even occurred to me lol That would be cool though. Someone make a steampunk game!


A steam punk BioWare game would be effin' awesome! That should be a thing!

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Steampunk! :o That never even occurred to me lol That would be cool though. Someone make a steampunk game!


A steam punk BioWare game would be effin' awesome! That should be a thing!


agreed!

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Mark Darrah:

"Da2 had Varric as a narrator telling the entire story (like Princess Bride) DA3 doesn't do that."

So today we've learnt that it won't be a framed narrative. We should keep record of all this lol.

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LOL Never would have occurred to me that DA3 would be steam punk... but I must say I'm relieved... No real opinion on the framed narrative, but nice to know, either way!

On templar vows... Hmm, I dunno. I have a hard time imagining the Chantry allowing templars to pick and choose their vows. Just doesn't really seem like a multiple choice type of institution to me. But it would be nice to know once and for all what it involves.

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I don't think anyone's saying (unless I missed something which is so entirely possible lol) that templars pick and choose vows, but more like, some of the stuff we're talking about, like vowing to be chaste, is something an individual templar (or just person in general) might choose to do, but it's not necessarily part of "The Vows" one makes as a templar...

Like perhaps these are the vows every templar takes:
1. I vow to uphold the teachings of Andraste, blah blah blah
2. I vow to protect the innocent against the evil corruption of magic
3. I vow to obey my commander, etc.
And so on...

Then perhaps a particularly devout templar can make a personal vow to remain chaste if s/he chooses.

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I dare say the newly rebelled Templars will bend and break the rules left, right and centre now that they've broken away from the Chantry. In fact, most of those rules are now likely obsolete lol.

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motomotogirl wrote...

I don't think anyone's saying (unless I missed something which is so entirely possible lol) that templars pick and choose vows, but more like, some of the stuff we're talking about, like vowing to be chaste, is something an individual templar (or just person in general) might choose to do, but it's not necessarily part of "The Vows" one makes as a templar...

Like perhaps these are the vows every templar takes:
1. I vow to uphold the teachings of Andraste, blah blah blah
2. I vow to protect the innocent against the evil corruption of magic
3. I vow to obey my commander, etc.
And so on...

Then perhaps a particularly devout templar can make a personal vow to remain chaste if s/he chooses.


I think I was probably just not understanding. I have a massive head cold today slowing down my brain... so that's more than possible! :D

I just find it very curious that "those who become templars" are discussed amongst the regular ole initiates of the Chantry in that codex (used in both DA:O & DA2). It always suggests to me that, at least originally, the templars were just those Chantry brothers and sisters who took up arms, making them sound much more devout, chaste and tied to the church than many of them seem on closer examination. It's debatable (in the sense that we've certainly debated it here in the past! LOL) whether that's a retcon or not.

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LolaLei wrote...

Tweet from Mark Darrah answering someone's question (dunno what he asked, but here's the answer lol):

"-not a steampunk setting
-Still in the Dragon Age so no huge time jumps
-no gryphon riding (sorry)
-not a framed narrative"

*Pouts* No gryphon riding for me.

*Edit* :ph34r:'ed


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Is that steampunk setting question a joke lol? Who would ask that?

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So speaking of steampunk, for those who haven't seen it, steampunk!Cullen by thighhighdalish

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[quote]deuce985 wrote...

[quote]LolaLei...
*Comes in here to stalk LolaLei because I see her message spam on my wall* :devil:

Is that steampunk setting question a joke lol? Who would ask that?

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Lol be glad you don't follow me on Twitter, otherwise it would be flooded with absolute bollocks lol!

I think the steampunk thing is probably one of those "make DA3 like Dishonoured" demands lol.

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R2s Muse wrote...

So speaking of steampunk, for those who haven't seen it, steampunk!Cullen by thighhighdalish


Ah! That's so cool! Love it :D

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I LOVE IT!!!! :D Steampunk definitely makes the menfolk sexy. I also think I just love seeing our boy in something other than templar armor LOL

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Nummy, look at that gorgeous man.
Ah, it would be cool if in the game we found some remnants of griffons or something, it could be a skeleton for all I care. I just wanna see them.

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Cameron tweet:

"Plot read throughs are so much fun #DA3"


Filthy tease! I wanna read the plot!!