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motomotogirl wrote...

Yeah, I could never kill Anders, either. Then again, I could never be completely pro-Templar. The Hawke who is oddly enough starting to feel like my canon Hawke was very iffy about mages and was definitely pro-Circle, especially after Bethany joined up. But even he couldn't murder innocent people, and even he couldn't kill a friend in cold blood.

And yeah unless you're cheating playing without Anders is really hard lol


It was awful. I don't recommend it. The only good thing about that playthrough was that I got fight along side Cullen. That's it. The rest was bloody awful, I felt like such a horrible person for killing some innocent mages that just got caught up in the crossfire because of some bad apples. Never again. Image IPB

And killing Anders was heartbreaking.

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I found killing Anders to be lacklustre, especially if you're romancing him. Hawke was just like *STAB* "ok you 'orrible lot, lets go kill sh!t!"

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LolaLei wrote...

I found killing Anders to be lacklustre, especially if you're romancing him. Hawke was just like *STAB* "ok you 'orrible lot, lets go kill sh!t!"


I think, honestly, that would be more bearable than having to fight him. That was just....Image IPB

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I think my Hawke (who is a mage) prefers freedom but understands that people are afraid, it's not that they don't understand, they do, but mages are a threat. The world has sort of already seen what they'll do, that doesn't give them a right to murder innocents and it BARELY gives them a right to lock them up, but I honestly can't come up with a better solution.

I'd prefer if it were biodomes where they are allowed to police themselves, build homes, start families and travel between said domes albeit escorted between domes, but there are issues with corruption and abuse of power there as well.

If anyone comes up with a good solution though I'm okay with that, until then the circle is the best bet although the Templars need to be reformed and better monitored by the Seekers.

That was my mind set anyway, but when the Templars and Seekers rebelled we may need to completely rework that order. I'm less pro-templar and pro-innocents if that makes any sense.

The civilians need to be protected that includes the mages though for the most part. But there be bad apples among the bunch. I mean there are good templars and bad mages it's hard to just wave a magical this is the bad side for Dragon Age even with the Darkspawn. Luckily though the minute their need to procreate involves the abduction and forced cannibalism to create Broodmothers it's time to wipe em out.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I think my Hawke (who is a mage) prefers freedom but understands that people are afraid, it's not that they don't understand, they do, but mages are a threat. The world has sort of already seen what they'll do, that doesn't give them a right to murder innocents and it BARELY gives them a right to lock them up, but I honestly can't come up with a better solution.

I'd prefer if it were biodomes where they are allowed to police themselves, build homes, start families and travel between said domes albeit escorted between domes, but there are issues with corruption and abuse of power there as well.

If anyone comes up with a good solution though I'm okay with that, until then the circle is the best bet although the Templars need to be reformed and better monitored by the Seekers.

That was my mind set anyway, but when the Templars and Seekers rebelled we may need to completely rework that order. I'm less pro-templar and pro-innocents if that makes any sense.

The civilians need to be protected that includes the mages though for the most part. But there be bad apples among the bunch. I mean there are good templars and bad mages it's hard to just wave a magical this is the bad side for Dragon Age even with the Darkspawn. Luckily though the minute their need to procreate involves the abduction and forced cannibalism to create Broodmothers it's time to wipe em out.


I have not-completely-thought-out sort of solution.

Make the circles a school of sorts. They have to go to the circles in order to learn to control their magic...but they are allowed to leave to visit family, with a Templar escort. And families are allowed to visit. Mages should be allowed to marry, and have families, and when the First Enchanter and Knight-Commander deem them ready enough, they get asigned a Templar guard and can leave the circle for good if they so choose.

Or something like that.

There is always going to be bad people in the world. Always. Be them Mages, Templars, Grey Wardens, or everyday civilians. There isn't anything anybody can really do about that.

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Also- off topic moment.

Was looking for a video to show Anders siding with Templars and came across this

I ended up barely paying attention to Anders, and was more so interested in creepy Carver in the background. BAHAHAHAHA

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Wow Anders can side with the Templar's?!...That's crazy

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I believe you have to full on rivalmance him, and you have to convince him that Justice is wrong, and he was wrong. I've never been able to do it myself but it is possible.

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Guys!!! Holy crap holy crap holy crap! I may get an actual interview with a real life developer possibly maybe, well he's interested at least...

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An alternative to the Circle already exists. Mage!Hawke lived it.

Mage!Hawke and Bethany never needed to be imprisoned to know that demons were bad or that they had a responsibility to show restraint. They grew up as a part of their community, taught by an experienced, highly trained mage, yes, but they were not excluded from society and told that their Maker-given gifts were evil. As a result, Hawke's humanity was never stripped from him. The only time he goes on to do unspeakable, monstrous things for the sake of his own ambition is if he actively pursues the viscount's seat, which involves siding against his own people, the mages.

That model can work on a larger scale, it just requires more thought. Young mages need to feel invested in their communities, and that means an end to persecution and isolation. They need training, certainly, but a locked tower in the middle of a lake is not the only place this training could take place.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Guys!!! Holy crap holy crap holy crap! I may get an actual interview with a real life developer possibly maybe, well he's interested at least...

Wow That's AWESOME!!! congrats..hope it works out:D

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Dreamlover2012 wrote...

I believe you have to full on rivalmance him, and you have to convince him that Justice is wrong, and he was wrong. I've never been able to do it myself but it is possible.

I did it. It was a miserable heart-breaking experience, but I did it for science. And then I immediately loaded a pre-Last Straw save and killed him. It was much more merciful. No romance is required. The Hawke that did that was a warrior romancing Isabela.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Guys!!! Holy crap holy crap holy crap! I may get an actual interview with a real life developer possibly maybe, well he's interested at least...

Congrats! I don't know whether it's more appropriate to wish you luck or to tell you to break a leg. I advise against doing both at the same time.

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Oh and make sure you guys Vote for Fridays show....ME is up for a bunch of things

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Guys!!! Holy crap holy crap holy crap! I may get an actual interview with a real life developer possibly maybe, well he's interested at least...


Awesome! Who'd you ask?

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cacey lee wrote...

Oh and make sure you guys Vote for Fridays show....ME is up for a bunch of things


Already voted! That's the second most important reason to watch the VGA's.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Guys!!! Holy crap holy crap holy crap! I may get an actual interview with a real life developer possibly maybe, well he's interested at least...


You're so lucky! Congratz!

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I voted for ME3. I know the ending was a bit of a cop out , but the rest of the game was good and the triology as a whole deserves to be remembered as something special.

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berelinde wrote...

An alternative to the Circle already exists. Mage!Hawke lived it.

Mage!Hawke and Bethany never needed to be imprisoned to know that demons were bad or that they had a responsibility to show restraint. They grew up as a part of their community, taught by an experienced, highly trained mage, yes, but they were not excluded from society and told that their Maker-given gifts were evil. As a result, Hawke's humanity was never stripped from him. The only time he goes on to do unspeakable, monstrous things for the sake of his own ambition is if he actively pursues the viscount's seat, which involves siding against his own people, the mages.

That model can work on a larger scale, it just requires more thought. Young mages need to feel invested in their communities, and that means an end to persecution and isolation. They need training, certainly, but a locked tower in the middle of a lake is not the only place this training could take place.


Very true and I agree mages as a whole should not be treated based on the evils of just a few, but remember that prior to the Chantry, Circle or even the common belief that magic is evil Tevinter was this all consuming force that ruled the all of Thedas enslaving everyone non-magical and even sacrificing droves of them in a desperate attempt to gain more power. Now I'm not saying that the alternative is perfect or since their dethroning it's been better in fact I'd say it's simply reversed the roles in a lot of respects but when the mages were not considered evil, not that they are now, just their power (which I don't agree with) they weren't exactly these innocent group o individuals. Probably not all of them I admit but the vast majority left without rules haven't been exactly uh nice I guess is what I'm saying.

Just to play Devil's Avocado if Hawke, Bethany and Malcom hadn't been afraid, oppressed and overall just hunted they might not have been so...nice, know what I mean? That is just conjecture though and I like to think that my Hawke in all realities would have been a responsible user of magic. Not that I think they SHOULD be oppressed, scared into submission etc for any reason. But for instance when guns didn't have the restrictions they did well we had the Wild West :P

It's funny because as I write this I've thought of a pretty good alternative to the Circle. Gun control basically, it eliminates the major need for circles and you have city guards or soldiers with Templar units that are trained as such to speciffically deal with abominations, demons and the like. Each nation would then have their own punishement plans; execution, relocation etc or it'd be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Again I see the neccesity for the Circle simply because in a world where the most advance thing they have is swords (Qunari excluded) they need a bit more time to come to the right conclusions and I hope we get to help it get there, but until then I hope we can help better the system we already have if only to prevent the atrocities of Tevinter that happens to this day.

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LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Guys!!! Holy crap holy crap holy crap! I may get an actual interview with a real life developer possibly maybe, well he's interested at least...


Awesome! Who'd you ask?


Hall Hood

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berelinde wrote...

Dreamlover2012 wrote...

I believe you have to full on rivalmance him, and you have to convince him that Justice is wrong, and he was wrong. I've never been able to do it myself but it is possible.

I did it. It was a miserable heart-breaking experience, but I did it for science. And then I immediately loaded a pre-Last Straw save and killed him. It was much more merciful. No romance is required. The Hawke that did that was a warrior romancing Isabela.


I also did this for science, then reloaded and killed him myself.  His dialogue heavily implies that he doesn't intend to survive for long (either via suicide during the battle or execution), and he's just one guy in the fight, so I figure it's more merciful to kill him sooner rather than later.

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It would interesting to find out his fate in DA3 if you rivalmanced him and got him to help a pro-Templar Hawke.

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I do wonder how they'll deal with Anders's fate. I doubt they'll have any convenient resurrections this time around (crosses fingers) but if he lived, do you think we'll see him or just hear about him?

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I think if we don't see him we'll deff hear about him...

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I'd like to see him in the thick of the rebellion and stuff, but if we don't see him then I'm sure he'll be mentioned a few times.