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Alright, I have a topic for the DA3 thread but I don't know if it's good or has already been asked or what. So I'm asking you ladies to look it over. Please? :D


Topic Text:
I've seen many threads that ask "What would you like to see in DA3?" or
"What companions would you like to have return?" and then, of course,
there are The Wishlist threads where people give their personal roster
of people they'd like to see in a Dragon Age game as either a guest star
or full fledged companion.

It occurs to me that most of the
characters we'd love to have reprise their roles, like Stroud and
Charade, and others who have been around since the beginning, such as
Isabela and Alistair may not have much to give the new story. More
important than their popularity, is how much can they bring to Dragon
Age Inquisition?

There are characters, like Cullen, Feynriel and
Jowan who have strong arguments for what they can offer to the story,
if - as the developers have stated - we are indeed still dealing with
the mage/templar conflict. To that end, I ask what characters can you
see being relevant in DAIII? Love them or hate them, who do you think
can contribute to the story and why?

For my part, I am a fan of
Cullen and do think he has plenty to offer the new story. His background
is undeveloped enough to play with and his attitude has been undergoing
a metamorphosis since Origins. Given his experience and the potential
for gut wrenching story, I think he could be a significant modifier to
the game.

I would also really love to know what happened to Feynriel if you let him live. Will he return as a friend or a powerful foe? I don't think save game imports work that well but if we do have the
ability to set the choices we made in DA2, I think the choice you made
with him could provide a major interrupt to the story.

Lia, the
little elf girl you save from the magistrate's son, was last reported to
be interested in becoming a fighter like the Champion. I would love to
see her again and have her be a capable warrior, one who is not crazy or
bitter and who is an amazing example of Elvhen might. Kind of like
their version of the historical Chavalier Aveline. It'd be a shame not
to give the elves someone in present day that they can really look up
to. I think it's about time Thedas realized how wrong they were to
oppress them. Trouble is... how much does that add to the mage/templar
conflict? Not much, sadly.

A character I can't stand is Anders.
Given that he could be killed, having him back is problematic but if
Bioware says he survived in their canon, I can see him coming back. He
and Jowan are personas I could do without. However, if ever a dead horse
needed beating, it would be them to do it. I can fathom that Justice
has taken full control of Anders by now and is leaving a wide swath of
bodies in his wake.

I also don't care much for Leliana but I
fully expect to see her again. She makes too much sense not to return.
Had she not a cameo in DAII, I wouldn't be inclined to think so. Now I
have heard rumblings that she was shoe-horned into the game. I disagree.
She was an Orlesian bard. She is very devout. These two things make her
a perfect addition to the Divine's retinue and thus, put her at the
center of the conflict. I will have to put up with her pontificating
about the Maker and Fate because someone has to say it, right?

So... what are your thoughts? What characters do you think make the most sense to see again?

End Topic.

So, what do you all think?

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:44 .


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LolaLei wrote...

Hm, looks like that could be the Inquisition logo then? I wonder if they'll be available to buy at some point? I'd totally wear it.


Well, it matches the pic I included above, which was labeled "Inquisition heraldry" from amongst the various files that shipped with DA2. So, I presume so... only real question to my mind is: old Inquisition heraldry or new? It's definitely a nice combo of the Seeker and templar heraldry. Of course, maybe new Inquisition adopts old Inquisition's heraldry along with the name, which would make sense.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Another perspective, showing the Inquisition heraldry better.

http://t.co/MTfyiNmg


I don't like the red part of the eye so much, but besides that tis pretty cool. I'd buy one.

The one Mark Darrah posted is just white, which I agree, looks a little better. Nevertheless, yup, I want one.

Image IPB

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SamaraDraven

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R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Another perspective, showing the Inquisition heraldry better.

http://t.co/MTfyiNmg


I don't like the red part of the eye so much, but besides that tis pretty cool. I'd buy one.

The one Mark Darrah posted is just white, which I agree, looks a little better. Nevertheless, yup, I want one.



I want that shirt!!!!

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Nice post, Samara. I think if you want to post it, go for it. To be honest, I feel like possible companions or past folks we want to see again has been discussed many times from almost all angles at this point, but folks will probably still discuss it further. I also think you're potentially headed for some Cullen hatin' but if you don't mind going there, then no worries.

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I'm not heading for some Cullen hatin' to purpose. But it would be cheating to leave him out. And I'd be a hypocrite for not being honest. I'm hoping people can look at things objectively and see that not every character they like should automatically get a free pass, nor should they blithely dismiss a character's usefulness because they don't like that character. I guess I just hope to get people thinking about what's good for the game, rather than their fantasies. At the very least, I'd like to encourage critical thinking about the matter. I put it up, so we'll see.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:03 .


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Wow. The first commenter is already claiming my post is nothing more than a list of who I like and don't like and why. Which is funny because I didn't even broach the list of characters I like. I kept my list to the character that made sense to the story, regardless of whether or not I like them. Sheesh! If I made a list like that, Varric and Aveline and Izzy would allll be in it! But Feynriel, who I have little to no preference for but rather a passing curiosity, is in there because he makes some sense to me. >:/

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I'm playing DA2 again and I just got to Keran's quest. He mentions that whilst he was being tortured by blood mages and demons all he could see/feel was the burning of fire all around him, demons trying to seduce him and a naked woman (desire demon) digging her claws into his flesh. I wonder if that's pretty much what Cullen experienced?

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Regarding Samara's post... The edited version is clearer, but you're still offering up a lot of hate. I get it. You don't like Anders. Is it absolutely necessary to ask to negate the happy endings of those who do? Friendship Anders does not lose control to Justice. Justice does not assume direct control. Why must there be a trail of bodies at all? His mission was accomplished. He and Hawke might be off doing helpful things together but you insist on tearing that down. Players who hate the guy as much as you do already got to kill him once. You're asking to spoil the fun for those who didn't. You went into a rage yesterday because somebody said far less hurtful things about Cullen. Fair *is* fair. If you're going to talk about mage characters who might harm innocents in securing their freedom, you might also want to mention the unprincipled templars likely to be looting and pillaging the countryside in their quest to find coin to support their addictions.

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I find it hilarious how much hate Cullen gets hated on this forum. People act like we go around advertising him or something. I find it a pattern that whenever a guy has a big fangirl following, they start to get hated by a lot of the male audience. It seems like jealousy rather than objectively dislike his character.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

I find it hilarious how much hate Cullen gets hated on this forum. People act like we go around advertising him or something. I find it a pattern that whenever a guy has a big fangirl following, they start to get hated by a lot of the male audience. It seems like jealousy rather than objectively dislike his character.

Alistair got the same treatment, if it makes you feel any better.

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berelinde wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I find it hilarious how much hate Cullen gets hated on this forum. People act like we go around advertising him or something. I find it a pattern that whenever a guy has a big fangirl following, they start to get hated by a lot of the male audience. It seems like jealousy rather than objectively dislike his character.

Alistair got the same treatment, if it makes you feel any better.

Why didn't it happen with Garrus though? I wonder. :?

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berelinde wrote...

Regarding Samara's post... The edited version is clearer, but you're still offering up a lot of hate. I get it. You don't like Anders. Is it absolutely necessary to ask to negate the happy endings of those who do? Friendship Anders does not lose control to Justice. Justice does not assume direct control. Why must there be a trail of bodies at all? His mission was accomplished. He and Hawke might be off doing helpful things together but you insist on tearing that down. Players who hate the guy as much as you do already got to kill him once. You're asking to spoil the fun for those who didn't. You went into a rage yesterday because somebody said far less hurtful things about Cullen. Fair *is* fair. If you're going to talk about mage characters who might harm innocents in securing their freedom, you might also want to mention the unprincipled templars likely to be looting and pillaging the countryside in their quest to find coin to support their addictions.


Fair enough. I did say it was a post what characters I feel have relevance, regardless of whether or not I like them. It's not a post about who is the better person. I do list that I don't like them. The post isn't to meant to be "so and so is better then That Guy". I don't like Leliana either but I can see her being in the new game. I wanted people to think about all characters in terms of what they can bring to the story. Little as we know about it, we were told that the mage/templar war isn't over with so I'm running with that as a basis for who might be relevant or not. Personal preference is irrelevent here but I suppose no one will think outside of their bias unless I reduce mine. I thought highlighting characters I don't like and still mentioning their potential inclusion would be helpful. I see now that the possibilites I mention cater only to my bias. Huh. I shall have to balance that.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I find it hilarious how much hate Cullen gets hated on this forum. People act like we go around advertising him or something. I find it a pattern that whenever a guy has a big fangirl following, they start to get hated by a lot of the male audience. It seems like jealousy rather than objectively dislike his character.

Alistair got the same treatment, if it makes you feel any better.

Why didn't it happen with Garrus though? I wonder. :?

He doesn't look human, so he doesn't provoke the same kind of jealousy.

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Let's not forget that it's just a game. Cullen and Anders aren't real, so it's not as though anyone's attacking a real life individual.

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LolaLei wrote...

Let's not forget that it's just a game. Cullen and Anders aren't real, so it's not as though anyone's attacking a real life individual.


Indeed, that's what keeps me from getting personally invested. I don't get too fluffed about Cullen hate. But I do take offense when people besmirch US as people. It's a line that I think needs to be upheld and respected. For instance, I'm not trying to diss Anders' fans and I don't want them to feel like I'm killing their joy so I edited my post to reflect a more nuetral stance on him. It surprises me how fantastically I failed to remain in the middle on him when I managed to keep my fangirling of Cullen in check. :o

Edit: To which I must apologize to Berelinde. But I also feel you're mistaken. I didn't go into a rage over people saying hurtful things about Cullen. I went into a rage over people saying erroneous things about US. A post that says "I get it. You like the guy. But I'm sick of hearing about him." says more against US as fans and people than Cullen. THAT is what I went into a rage over. They crossed that imaginary boundary between characters and the fans.

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SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Let's not forget that it's just a game. Cullen and Anders aren't real, so it's not as though anyone's attacking a real life individual.


Indeed, that's what keeps me from getting personally invested. I don't get too fluffed about Cullen hate. But I do take offense when people besmirch US as people. It's a line that I think needs to be upheld and respected. For instance, I'm not trying to diss Anders' fans and I don't want them to feel like I'm killing their joy so I edited my post to reflect a more nuetral stance on him. It surprises me how fantastically I failed to remain in the middle on him when I managed to keep my fangirling of Cullen in check. :o

This is what I dislike. They usually lump Cullen fans into a crazy fangirls who go around demanding him. I don't care if they dislike him, but it's annoying how they generalize his fans as well. :pinched:

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Agreed. Attacking any fan group or individual for liking something is ridiculous.

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LolaLei wrote...

Agreed. Attacking any fan group or individual for liking something is ridiculous.

As long as it's legal of course. There are certain things you shouldn't be liking. :?

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Agreed. Attacking any fan group or individual for liking something is ridiculous.

As long as it's legal of course. There are certain things you shouldn't be liking. :?


LOL, goes without saying!

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LolaLei wrote...

Agreed. Attacking any fan group or individual for liking something is ridiculous.


...and it inevitably turns into woman-bashing, unfortunately, with sometimes a side of gay-bashing. It's too easy to "other" these groups upon such a subjective basis as what one happens to enjoy, so it all gets mixed in together.

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Hmm Samara I think that topic was probably a mistake because it does just look to me like yet another "who I want to be in DA3" thread, plus just us mentioning Cullen at all outside the thread is fodder for hate.

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And if we're talking about fan-bashing for favorite male characters, might I just point you all towards the extreme Fenris-hate that is still quite rampant on this BSN. Fenris fans are JRPG fans, anime fans, emo band fans, teenage girls, etc. etc. Fenris himself is a whiny emo anime JRPG character and people who like him are all little girls with a Final Fantasy fetish.

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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Agreed. Attacking any fan group or individual for liking something is ridiculous.


...and it inevitably turns into woman-bashing, unfortunately, with sometimes a side of gay-bashing. It's too easy to "other" these groups upon such a subjective basis as what one happens to enjoy, so it all gets mixed in together.


Which makes me sad. Of course when you start attacking people directly or in a vague sense, they're going to be upset and when personal feelings get involved, things get out of hand. Hence why I believe in upholding that separation between the thing you're discussing and the people discussing it. The people aren't up for debate. But since a situation loses all value when it becomes personal, it ticks me off when someone crosses that line.

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Hmm Samara I think that topic was probably a mistake because it does just look to me like yet another "who I want to be in DA3" thread, plus just us mentioning Cullen at all outside the thread is fodder for hate.


Well darn.
Who I want to be in DA3 are Isabela and Aveline with a side order of Ohgren! lol! :D I didn't want it to be this way. I want people to think outside of their desires for a moment. Is that so much to ask? :?

Edit: Oops. Double post. And I have no thoughts on Fenris. I kind of put him in a similar category as Anders but without the Cullen parallels to make him more palatable. :D

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