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[berelinde]

Shouldn't we be breaking out the holiday cheer right now? The first round of poinsettias is on me... as penance for getting carried away on the Wall of Text posts again.


Edit: In honor of ToP, Cullen is waiting.

By yuhime

Modifié par berelinde, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

I thought it looked like she was touching him in his special place 

BWAhaha! This made me LOL... not so good at son's nap time. :lol:

[R2s Muse]

LOL OK. On board with Holiday Cheer!

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

You know, it's interesting to me to contrast this one*** with the Amell-Cullen-mistletoe one a few pages back. In principle, Amell has (seemingly) pulled him into a mistletoe-fueled kiss not wholly with his consent. The stakes of both are apparently a kiss. Hmm. Just thinking "out loud," but do you think it's different because (a) female vs. male, ( power differential of templar "coercing" a mage under his jurisdiction, © in the staff pic, he's disarming her beforehand?, or (d) mistletoe just has its own rules...?

Hmm, heavy thoughts for Christmas eve! LOL

*** "Unfortunate Body Language Cullen" omitted by snip

I vote (e) all of the above.

Right or wrong, we're socialized to accept that men *always* want kisses. (Remembers a very awkward New Year's Eve party, some misinterpreted signals, and the sting of rejection after finding out this is not a universal truth.) A mage giving a templar a kiss is a gift (whereas the other way around is a lot more problematic). In the staff pic, he is not only disarming her but holding her staff hostage. And it's mistletoe. Who doesn't like kissing under mistletoe?


Edit: And their expressions are different. She's being playful. He's being bashful. Neither of them looks lustful or afraid.

Modifié par berelinde, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Newschmoo]

I would like to wish everyone a very Happy Christmas. Hope you get everything you wish for.

(I attempted to do a Cullen themed Christmas card but it went wrong! Really must learn to use pixelmator properly).

Best wishes :-)

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

You know, it's interesting to me to contrast this one with the Amell-Cullen-mistletoe one a few pages back. In principle, Amell has (seemingly) pulled him into a mistletoe-fueled kiss not wholly with his consent. The stakes of both are apparently a kiss. Hmm. Just thinking "out loud," but do you think it's different because (a) female vs. male, ( power differential of templar "coercing" a mage under his jurisdiction, © in the staff pic, he's disarming her beforehand?, or (d) mistletoe just has its own rules...? 

Hmm, heavy thoughts for Christmas eve! LOL

I'm on board for holiday cheer but I had to respond to this because this issue is very dear to my heart.

Rape is about exerting power over another person. Of course I'm not saying rape is occurring or about to occur in either picture, but I think a lot of us agree that it could eventually occur in picture 2.

I think this is because of the disparity in power between the attacker and his victim. (Let's take Cullen out of the equation for now; we know Cullen would never do that ) Here the attacker is male, wearing armor, is clearly bigger and stronger, and is her socially accepted jailor of sorts. She is female, not properly armed, smaller and weaker, and is an unwilling captive (as a mage in the Circle). He is also disarming her and thus rendering her even MORE powerless.

Also, I mentioned their gender because of the history of violence against women as perpetrated by men, which isn't to say that women can't perform violent acts against men, of course.

But also there's the body language, which has been already pointed out: Amell is pushing him away, not looking at him, and reaching for her weapon. Her expression suggests she is upset/concerned at best, scared at worst.

I don't have the other picture in front of me, but I don't recall Cullen looking as if he fears for his life or his chastity in that pic lol

[berelinde]

Season's Greetings to you, too!

Off to do family stuff... including attempting to decorate the tree again. This is harder than it sounds in a house with five cats.

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

You know, it's interesting to me to contrast this one with the Amell-Cullen-mistletoe one a few pages back. In principle, Amell has (seemingly) pulled him into a mistletoe-fueled kiss not wholly with his consent. The stakes of both are apparently a kiss. Hmm. Just thinking "out loud," but do you think it's different because (a) female vs. male, ( power differential of templar "coercing" a mage under his jurisdiction, © in the staff pic, he's disarming her beforehand?, or (d) mistletoe just has its own rules...? 

Hmm, heavy thoughts for Christmas eve! LOL

I'm on board for holiday cheer but I had to respond to this because this issue is very dear to my heart.

Rape is about exerting power over another person. Of course I'm not saying rape is occurring or about to occur in either picture, but I think a lot of us agree that it could eventually occur in picture 2.

I think this is because of the disparity in power between the attacker and his victim. (Let's take Cullen out of the equation for now; we know Cullen would never do that ) Here the attacker is male, wearing armor, is clearly bigger and stronger, and is her socially accepted jailor of sorts. She is female, not properly armed, smaller and weaker, and is an unwilling captive (as a mage in the Circle). He is also disarming her and thus rendering her even MORE powerless.

Also, I mentioned their gender because of the history of violence against women as perpetrated by men, which isn't to say that women can't perform violent acts against men, of course.

But also there's the body language, which has been already pointed out: Amell is pushing him away, not looking at him, and reaching for her weapon. Her expression suggests she is upset/concerned at best, scared at worst.

I don't have the other picture in front of me, but I don't recall Cullen looking as if he fears for his life or his chastity in that pic lol

Good point! I suppose that's our (e) (or (f)?)  body language in the mistletoe pic doesn't connote sexual predation, miscommunication or discontent.

OK... returning you to your regularly scheduled holiday cheer.  

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

I thought it looked like she was touching him in his special place 

LOL! It could also be that... I think I like that version better! 

[littlenikki]

Merry Christmas Cullen thread! Haven't had time to finish up (or even get midway through) the 12 days of Cullen, though I may throw some more ideas in here and there when the mood strikes. I'll just post everything that has been done so far to get the laughs going. Hope you all have a wonderful holiday!

[CuriousArtemis]

I love this thread LOL

[Jinx]

Happy Holidays guys!!

[SamaraDraven]

Merry Christmas everyone! =D Just finished reading through the posts. How are you all?

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[LolaLei]

Merry Christmas!

[deuce985]

Merry Christmas Cullen thread!

[Danny Boy 7]

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!

[berelinde]

It's snowing! There wasn't any snow in the forecast, but we're getting some anyway. Happy Snowy Christmas!

[Gallopagos117]

It's not quite Christmas here in California, but Merry Christmas to everyone else!

[CuriousArtemis]

It's warm and wet here and Louisiana, and we're being threatened with hail and tornadoes tomorrow, but nevertheless, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings, and Happy Festivus to all!

[Danny Boy 7]

Stay safe Moto

[Narcia_]

Merry Christmas Everyone. Thanks for keeping the thread going (and interesting) while I've been trying to get all my work done.

Happy Holidays!

[LolaLei]

Watching a film called Goya's Ghost about the Inquisition 'n' sh!t... I certainly hope our DA3 Inquisition isn't anything like the one in the film, they're all a bit rapey and a bunch of total dicks. :-S

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Watching a film called Goya's Ghost about the Inquisition 'n' sh!t... I certainly hope our DA3 Inquisition isn't anything like the one in the film, they're all a bit rapey and a bunch of total dicks. :-S

D'oh, sounds like the Kirkwall templars all over again... :/

[LolaLei]

It does actually! Oh! I got a DA2 strategy guide for Christmas and it's cover looks exactly like Cassandra's Seeker book. I haven't had a decent look through it yet, but Cullen's mini codex says something like "The Templar tortured at the hands of Uldred is now enjoying a promotion" LOL.