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[LolaLei]

Omg I just found out something cool in the DA:O Mage origins. Greg Ellis also does the voice of the Mage who is practicing his fire magic and sets himself alight LOL!

Modifié par LolaLei, 08 mai 2012 - 10:14 .

[vieralynn]

R2s Muse wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

BTW, my reply to the whole Creepy Cullen bit on tumblr's dragonageconfession:

http://vieralynn.tum...magesmagesmages

(now to catch up on all of the recent conversation here ^^)

Well said. Jeesh.

I think it is bad enough when members of fandom use hateful (immature) language to talk about fictional character but when their naming calling starts pointing fingers at the fanbase themselves, those acting likely children need to have a time out in corner.

Modifié par vieralynn, 10 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[vieralynn]

LolaLei wrote...

It isn't, I use the forums to stalk the devs, adding Cullen to every topic they're lurking in just to make sure they're aware that we want him LOL!

Cullen fandom approves +100!  

As much as I love new characters, I suspect bioware understands how much we enjoy seeing established characters grow and evolve. I loved what DA2 did to grow Merrill, Isabela, Anders, and Justice. Given what we've seen of Cullen, it would be a crying shame if his story is dropped. When we get to the end of DA2, Cullen is finally at the point where he starts trusting himself and putting his ideas forward rather than naively trusting others to make hard decisions. Now that Cullen has finally "grown up" (to so speak), I want to see how he makes sense of his prior experiences and how he navigates the mage-templar war. 

(So says the person who, in her first play through, regularly went out of her way to visit the Gallows, always with Anders tagging along just to see what dialogue might be said when poking the Knight-Captain. )

LolaLei wrote...

Omg I just found out something cool in the DA:O Mage origins. Greg Ellis also does the voice of the Mage who is practicing his fire magic and sets himself alight LOL!

Haha!  That's really funny.   

[Dunquixote]

I find it very unlikely his story will be dropped; after all, if Knight-Captain is the next highest rank in the Templar Order, I would assume he'd replace Meredith as Knight-Commander unless a) someone else is found more capable or has more seniority than him to be a Knight-Commander or he is transferred or on his own terms, moves somewhere else.

I'd be happy even if he's just an npc, as long as he doesn't suddenly become promiscuous going to brothels to partake in...*coughs* I know, here I go again about want Cullen to be this... -giggles- perfectly chaste templar. Sorry. I think I love Cullen too much to not be overly possessive of him.

[LolaLei]

My boyfriend has been watching me play DA2 so he knows what Cullen's like during his time in Kirkwall, so I decided to show him what Cullen was like in DA:O during the Mage origins story, I told him it was Cullen but let him make up his mind about his personality. This was his reaction:

"That's Cullen from DA2 right? ... I think he's got a crush on your character... Aw look he's stuttering, omg he's running away, you scared him off! Bless him, he's shy. I really like him, he's a cool guy in both games, he should definitely be a companion in the third game!"

On a different note, whilst playing DA2 Bohdan mentions that he and Sandal are moving to Orlais. From that statement alone it seems they had planned to set DA3 in Orlais since they begun development on DA2... Makes you wonder what else they've had set in stone since then? Could it be that Cullen has been planned as a companion all along? Perhaps thats why he has a change of heart during the Meredith event. I almost feel like DA3 has been set up to purposely introduce him to the fold as one of the plot heavy companions/romances.

[vieralynn]

VampOrchid wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

"I like Cullen. I joke about him in some ways but I like the arc he represents".

"And there are things I think can be done with Cullen. I like the idea that he has confronted probably the worst that the mages have, he's encountered the worst of what mages can do. Yet he hasn't done what some Templars have done, like Meredith, or--I keep wanting to call him Knight Divine--Lord Seeker Lambert in the novel, how they have reacted is to become very anti-mage and very judgemental and to paint all the mages in the same basic plot, a few bad apples spoils the bunch. Cullen to me represents another side of Templars which is a side that we need to keep active. Not all Templars are these heartless bastards who would happily torture mages, that's not true, there are Templars who are good people. I think Cullen is a good man who recognizes that there are dangerous in magic, dangers that have to be dealt with, but he doesn't lack for compassion and doesn't try to say "Well, let's take the hard approach and kill everybody and let the Maker sort them out." "

"I think that's important to represent, so in that respect I like the idea of Cullen reappearing, I like that element of his character, so it's definitely a possibility."

I think these are the 3 key things that got me thinking that it's VERY possible that he most likely will be a companion, if not have A MAJOR part in DA3, like Flemeth has on the first two.

I have to agree, that I was also thinking, that one of the reasons devs don't pop up in here is very much because they would like to avoid giving anything away.

Cullen to me, has the potential to be a fallen hero.

And yes it would be nice to see the main get rescued for once lol:wizard:

I remember when that interview happened and I squeed with hopefulness … and then I started pondering ideas for a Seeker Cullen: an interesting twist now that he's leveled up in life experience and has had the chance to gain confidence in himself.

I too have wondered if developer silence about Cullen has to do with not spoiling potential plans for his character. If so, I'm fine. I'll sit tight and wait, trusting that the writers will give us a good story.

Not sure I want to see Cullen return as a fallen hero-- as someone who tragedy turns him completely villianous.  Did you instead mean someone who is more like a Knight in Sour Armor (although without the snark)?

A truly villianous Cullen in DA3 strikes me a bit OOC because he has consistently struck me as a person who thinks about the world in terms of compassion and mercy even when he has faced with difficult or repugnant decisions. To me, this is what makes his character so interesting because his moral compass is often at odds with the zealotic types that the Chantry supposedly recruits as templars. Watching him struggle with this contradiction has been interesting and given how consistent his compassion+mercy touchstone has been (plus Gaider's comment above), I really want to see Cullen struggle more with "what being a templar is all about," especially now that Circle system needs to be replaced with something else. 

Related to this struggle as a possible speculation for where DA3 might be going, bellisadinosaur on tumblr posted this "The Counter-Manifesto: How Mages are Destroying Thedas, and What This Could Mean for DA3" which has spurred some interesting comments. In brief: every time magic is used, the veil is damaged and once that damage becomes too much in a geographic location, that location becomes dangerous and toxic to all normal living beings. If DA3 is all about putting a broken Thedas back together in a new way, dealing with the underlying nature of magic itself will probably become important. If so, Cullen's experiences and newfound pair of balls coupled with his compassion+mercy moral compass makes him a really interesting character for DA3. 

[Dunquixote]

Jasmine: yeah, I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread too.

[LolaLei]

Jasmine96 wrote...

 I can hardly keep up with this thread anymore! I would love to return with some new news of Cullen but alas I can't find any  
I can't remember if this questions been asked but were Cullen to return would you wan't him to come back as a templar or an ex-templar? 
For me I would love it if he came back as Knight Commander Cullen, men with titles are alwasy hot no? 
Plus if he came back as an ex-templar it might be too much like Alistair though if Cullen really comes back it could be as a drunken brothel wh*** for all I care 
Oh and what would you guys expect/want his personality to be like? 

I think he should probably come back as a Templar still, I'm just not sure in what capacity he should come back. I kinda like the idea of him being stripped of his rank after the Kirkwall incident so that he'd have no big duties preventing him from becoming a companion.

[vieralynn]

Dunquixote wrote...

I find it very unlikely his story will be dropped; after all, if Knight-Captain is the next highest rank in the Templar Order, I would assume he'd replace Meredith as Knight-Commander unless a) someone else is found more capable or has more seniority than him to be a Knight-Commander or he is transferred or on his own terms, moves somewhere else.

I'd be happy even if he's just an npc, as long as he doesn't suddenly become promiscuous going to brothels to partake in...*coughs* I know, here I go again about want Cullen to be this... -giggles- perfectly chaste templar. Sorry. I think I love Cullen too much to not be overly possessive of him.

Hard to say if he would actually become Knight-Commander at the Gallows. The situation in Kirkwall was spiralling out of control to the point that the Divine was considering whether or not to call an exalted march on the city-state during Act 3. Given chaos at the end of the game -- Chantry literally blown to bits, the riot/battle at the Gallows -- it's hard to say that the officialls in the Templar hierarchy would officially promote Cullen to the Gallows Knight-Commander, nor is it even clear that he wants that promotion. (Thoughout all of Act 3, Cullen looked miserable imho and I kept joking that he was sending his resume around, looking for a new job.)

I think the end of DA2 left open just about any possibility for his character arc. Maybe he serves as an interim Knight Commander until the Divine's forces arrive to replace him and "clean up" Kirkwall (where "cleaning up" could be better or worse)? Maybe in the "side with mages" ending his loyalties are questioned and he is required to flee because he aided Hawke? Maybe he just decides to leave because the whole situation is craptastic (or the Seekers recruit him)? It just isn't clear to me that his situation at the Gallows is all that stable or secure after the final battle in DA2 and he really didn't seem happy at all throughout that third act.  I would be happy if the writers sent him down any of these paths, to be honest. 

[vieralynn]

LolaLei wrote...

Jasmine96 wrote...

 I can hardly keep up with this thread anymore! I would love to return with some new news of Cullen but alas I can't find any  
I can't remember if this questions been asked but were Cullen to return would you wan't him to come back as a templar or an ex-templar? 
For me I would love it if he came back as Knight Commander Cullen, men with titles are alwasy hot no? 
Plus if he came back as an ex-templar it might be too much like Alistair though if Cullen really comes back it could be as a drunken brothel wh*** for all I care 
Oh and what would you guys expect/want his personality to be like? 

I think he should probably come back as a Templar still, I'm just not sure in what capacity he should come back. I kinda like the idea of him being stripped of his rank after the Kirkwall incident so that he'd have no big duties preventing him from becoming a companion.

I find it very believable that he ends up being stripped of his rank although I wouldn't mind if he becomes a Seeker. Also, once the entire Chantry-Circle-Templar system breaks apart, he will need to decide where he's going to go.

[Dunquixote]

After reading Asunder, because of Lambert or whatever his name was, I'm having trouble looking at the Seekers in a positive light. I don't think I'd want him to be a Seeker if they are all like Lambert.

Modifié par Dunquixote, 09 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[LolaLei]

I wouldn't mind if he was a Seeker but I suspect David Gaider 'n' co would want to keep his iconic Templar look since they seem to be big on that sort of thing at the moment, plus I'm 98% sure Cassandra will be a companion, most likely one of the plot heavy romances I suspect.

[LolaLei]

Jasmine: Cullen would most likely stay on the Divines side, the rebel Templars have turned their back on the Chantry/Divine and are probably the torturous rapey type... Plus the lack of regular lyrium will have them turning to dodgy methods to get their fix... Ooo what if they some how get hold of red lyrium??? Imagine that!!

[LolaLei]

The Grey Warden guy worried me, partly because I'm worried it's supposed to represent a default version of our Warden who I really don't think should come back, purely because there are too many variables that could go horribly wrong; but mostly because if we have a Grey Warden warrior and a Seeker warrior, where does that leave Cullen? They won't throw in 3 warriors as party members, especially if you play as one yourself.

... I'm hoping they threw the Grey Warden in as a red herring to throw us off... Unless one of them is only a temporary companion. Besides, didn't they say that the following DA games wouldn't feature Grey Wardens so much? Surely having one as a companion is still featuring them heavily?

[LolaLei]

Jasmine96 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Jasmine: Cullen would most likely stay on the Divines side, the rebel Templars have turned their back on the Chantry/Divine and are probably the torturous rapey type... Plus the lack of regular lyrium will have them turning to dodgy methods to get their fix... Ooo what if they some how get hold of red lyrium??? Imagine that!!

LOL red lyrium? *imagines mage blood* okay kidding not bringing that one up again  
Lambert was such an idiot how are you going to supply an entire army with lyrium? Oh wait I just thought of the lyrium Idol, that was red right? Maybe there is red lyrium!

Yeah, the lyrium idol was red lyrium. There was loads of it in the deep roads expedition! What if some dodgy dwarf traders start selling it to the Templars? Either way the Templar rebellion will probably make deals with lyrium smugglers to get their fix... They probably won't be able to get enough of it to sustain a whole army of them though.

Modifié par LolaLei, 09 mai 2012 - 12:20 .

[LolaLei]

Jasmine: I reckon in small doses it would effect them differently... Like it would make them extra strong but would have bad side effects at a more rapid rate, that's when they'd go mental and attack anything that moves... Though I doubt we'll see that happen in DA3.

See I just can't work out why they'd show us concept art of a Seeker and a Warden if they aren't going to be companions... Then again I wasnt around during the DA2 concept stages so I don't know what sort of things they released that never happened, aside from the female Qunari.

[vieralynn]

I'm pretty skeptical about a Grey Warden companion unless the story develops ideas about the Darkspawn. As others have said, we've had three of a kind in the past: Oghren+Sten+Alistair were all warriors, Varric+Sebastian+Isabela were all rogues so I'm not worried about a different Seeker plus a Warden being the reason they bump Cullen. They'll bump him if they cannot find a good reason to include him in the story they want to tell.

If Cullen sticks with the templars, I also suspect that he will initially side with the Divine for reasons LolaLei said above but, after events start moving, who knows?!

LolaLei: Quite a few game companies have previewed concept art that differs from the final release. I tend to shrug off concept art for that reason. It is too much like reading tea leaves. Also, Alistair's original concept art was for a very different character than who Alistair eventually became.

[LolaLei]

Yeah, I heard he was supposed to be a rugged, tough veteran originally... I'm so glad they made him all cute and adorable instead!

... I wonder if they'll soften Cullen's behaviour around the new pc a little, not to the extent that he was in the DA:O Mage origins, but not as "professional" and stern as he is most of the time in DA2. I'd also love to see his soft side come out on occasion where appropriate, like if he finds an injured child that needs help or something.