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[littlenikki]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

So...all this silence is pretty cool...

Gosh! I wish there was some sort of Cullen topic we didn't already discuss. I keep trying to come up with something but I can't really find something that isn't ridiculous like Cullen shaving his legs or sneaking into a noble's house for her small cloths. ):

Well, Mark Darrah posted on twitter a while back that there should be another Sprint Review Day sometime near the end of January. Not exactly a trailer premire, but vague DA3 news is better than no news! Hopefully this long delay between the review days means they're hard at work getting together the first public reveal!

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

Well, I guess I did see something on that could bring about some speculative conversation... it was actually something Danny asked Tonia on Twitter. Basically Danny asked her the following:

Danny: "Hey Tonia don't know if you can answer this but what is your favorite character type to write/have written?"

Tonia: "Hey, sorry to have not gotten back to you earlier, was away for a bit for the holidays. I'd have to say I like writing the unwilling hero. Someone who doesn't want to "save the day", but his/her morals pretty much force them to."


Now, this is pure unadulterated speculation (for the purpose of generating discussion and not at all 100% fact) but I can't deny that it sounds like Cullen's story arc in DA2. Of course, Tonia didn't write Cullen's dialogue in DA2 (and it might just be a coincidence) but it made me wonder if perhaps it was a hint that our theory about her writing his dialogue in DA3 was correct. I mean, Cullen's behaviour towards the end of the game was that of an unwilling hero who aided in saving the day because his moral compass forced him to take action. Could this be a hint at the "type of character" he's become? Forced to stand up and fight because the system has become corrupt?

Then again, maybe I'm looking too much into it? Perhaps I'm making too much of a big deal out of Cullen's final actions in DA2? After all, Hawke would have won regardless of whether Hawke had his help or not. Can his actions really be considered as heroic, or are we just biased because we're his "fangirls"? That being said, I could see Cullen being the "hero" of his own personal story arc if he's an npc or being considered as a "hero" (albeit not the main hero, since that's of protagonist's job) if he's a companion who aids our new character in saving the world or whatever it is we'll be doing in DA3.

... What do you guys think? Let's throw some new perspective on this possible revelation. Sometimes I can't always tell if I'm just waxing lyrical 'n' over romanticising things when it comes to anything possibly Cullen related LOL.

(Also, sorry Danny if you wanted to be the first to post your findings. Kudos for tweeting her! Don't kill me!)

Well Cullen definately would fit into the "unwilling hero" roll, IMO. (Then again, so would our original Warden depending on how your playthrough went. ) DA2 Cullen is ripe for developing though. I'm anxious to see where his moral compass leads him. Whether he sticks to his guns or is influenced by the less than savory characters that may surround him. There's always room for a character that thinks he's doing good, only to find out he's been working for the dark overlord the whole time.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

It does sound like Cullen at the end of DA3. I am sure he didn't really want to take action against Meredith but she had gone far past what he believed a templar was supposed to do. (His moral) and so he was forced to be the templar to finally rise up and say 'no' (aside from the ones who were having meetings with the mages to plan to overthrow her) and so he probably now has been thrown into a pit of fighting wolves or thats how I see it. People may look to him now for action, or something.

I always like to imagine, if you romance him and end the war, that you together start a new order of Templars. And instead of hunting mages, they hunt demons and abominations. Even mages could join this Order.

[berelinde]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

I always like to imagine, if you romance him and end the war, that you together start a new order of Templars. And instead of hunting mages, they hunt demons and abominations. Even mages could join this Order.

That's why I loved Ser Otto in DA:O. He had his priorities straight. He wasn't chasing mages in that alienage or harrassing random elves, he was rooting out the evil at the source. Poor Ser Otto. Wish I could have saved him.

[CuriousArtemis]

berelinde wrote...

That's why I loved Ser Otto in DA:O. He had his priorities straight. He wasn't chasing mages in that alienage or harrassing random elves, he was rooting out the evil at the source. Poor Ser Otto. Wish I could have saved him.

You know, of all the things to shock or affect me, Ser Otto's death hit me as one of the hardest. I didn't fully understand the whole mage/templar thing at the time (despite having played DA2 multiple times before this) so I didn't have any hard feelings towards templars... actually, not sure I knew he was a templar, but the "ser" in front of his name made me think of a medieval knight, and knights are wonderful and honorable people, right?!

Anyway, I was just devistated when he died. Such a kind person. It didn't seem right 

[CuriousArtemis]

p.s. I'm still without internet (at my sister's now) until Tuesday; hence why I've been so quiet

[LolaLei]

In a way I think it was better that Ser Otto died in action, rather than have his brain deteriorate rapidly from years of lyrium use. He probably wasn't far off losing his marbles anyway, if he hadn't already started feeling the effects.

I'd hate to see Cullen end up all lyrium addled... reminds me of a fanfic I read once where he was following the Mage Warden as her keeper and he kept talking about how he was getting too old for adventures with the young Mage etc. Turned out it was him suffering the effects of lyrium in his old age and was just getting his memories all mixed up with reality.

Poor old thing, it was really sad. Made me want to smother him with a pillow and end his suffering. :-(

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Oh dear, smothering him with a pillow, I certainly couldn't do that with his limbs flailing about and that muffled confusion.

I still say, blood magic experiments to see if they can somehow pull the lyrium from the blood stream without killing the templar!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Well, I guess I did see something on that could bring about some speculative conversation... it was actually something Danny asked Tonia on Twitter. Basically Danny asked her the following:

Danny: "Hey Tonia don't know if you can answer this but what is your favorite character type to write/have written?"

Tonia: "Hey, sorry to have not gotten back to you earlier, was away for a bit for the holidays. I'd have to say I like writing the unwilling hero. Someone who doesn't want to "save the day", but his/her morals pretty much force them to."


Now, this is pure unadulterated speculation (for the purpose of generating discussion and not at all 100% fact) but I can't deny that it sounds like Cullen's story arc in DA2. Of course, Tonia didn't write Cullen's dialogue in DA2 (and it might just be a coincidence) but it made me wonder if perhaps it was a hint that our theory about her writing his dialogue in DA3 was correct. I mean, Cullen's behaviour towards the end of the game was that of an unwilling hero who aided in saving the day because his moral compass forced him to take action. Could this be a hint at the "type of character" he's become? Forced to stand up and fight because the system has become corrupt?

Then again, maybe I'm looking too much into it? Perhaps I'm making too much of a big deal out of Cullen's final actions in DA2? After all, Hawke would have won regardless of whether Hawke had his help or not. Can his actions really be considered as heroic, or are we just biased because we're his "fangirls"? That being said, I could see Cullen being the "hero" of his own personal story arc if he's an npc or being considered as a "hero" (albeit not the main hero, since that's of protagonist's job) if he's a companion who aids our new character in saving the world or whatever it is we'll be doing in DA3.

... What do you guys think? Let's throw some new perspective on this possible revelation. Sometimes I can't always tell if I'm just waxing lyrical 'n' over romanticising things when it comes to anything possibly Cullen related LOL.

(Also, sorry Danny if you wanted to be the first to post your findings. Kudos for tweeting her! Don't kill me!)

Interesting. Hypothetically that would fit the person I see Cullen having evolved into, particularly the unwilling part if, for instance, the DA3 PC is required to take some action against the Templar Order because it has become "BAD." My own thinking on Act 3!Cullen is that he's one of the unsung heroes, but I don't know that normally I would call a follower the "hero" since, of course, that's supposed to be you, the PC, right? I wonder if that was just a general comment on her writing, or inevitably says something about  the way she may have written what characters she did for DA3. Here's hoping it was dear Cullen!

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

berelinde wrote...

That's why I loved Ser Otto in DA:O. He had his priorities straight. He wasn't chasing mages in that alienage or harrassing random elves, he was rooting out the evil at the source. Poor Ser Otto. Wish I could have saved him.

You know, of all the things to shock or affect me, Ser Otto's death hit me as one of the hardest. I didn't fully understand the whole mage/templar thing at the time (despite having played DA2 multiple times before this) so I didn't have any hard feelings towards templars... actually, not sure I knew he was a templar, but the "ser" in front of his name made me think of a medieval knight, and knights are wonderful and honorable people, right?!

Anyway, I was just devistated when he died. Such a kind person. It didn't seem right 

Agree. Ser Otto was a great character and sorta reflected the slightly different focus of DA:O's (or is that, Ferelden's?) templars compared to the general badness of Kirkwall's. Something I've been thinking about recently is the different kinds of knights they have around Thedas. Imagining some young boy wanting to grow up to be a knight in shining armor, is he dreaming of joining the service of some noble (like Ser Perth and Eamon's knights) or becoming a templar (bastion of good, combating the forces of evil... when you're not, you know, oppressing the mages). So for example, Evangeline in Asunder. She was an aristocrat's daughter. So why templar and not knight, I wonder?

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. Ser Otto was a great character and sorta reflected the slightly different focus of DA:O's (or is that, Ferelden's?) templars compared to the general badness of Kirkwall's. Something I've been thinking about recently is the different kinds of knights they have around Thedas. Imagining some young boy wanting to grow up to be a knight in shining armor, is he dreaming of joining the service of some noble (like Ser Perth and Eamon's knights) or becoming a templar (bastion of good, combating the forces of evil... when you're not, you know, oppressing the mages). So for example, Evangeline in Asunder. She was an aristocrat's daughter. So why templar and not knight, I wonder?

Cooler uniforms? lol Maybe there was a personal choice of finding one more noble than the other? A knight is just a cop but a templar is like a super cop. ('Super Cop' is a technical term found only in the dictionary of my mind.) I should probably re-read Assunder at some point to get my P's & Q's straight.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

berelinde wrote...

That's why I loved Ser Otto in DA:O. He had his priorities straight. He wasn't chasing mages in that alienage or harrassing random elves, he was rooting out the evil at the source. Poor Ser Otto. Wish I could have saved him.

You know, of all the things to shock or affect me, Ser Otto's death hit me as one of the hardest. I didn't fully understand the whole mage/templar thing at the time (despite having played DA2 multiple times before this) so I didn't have any hard feelings towards templars... actually, not sure I knew he was a templar, but the "ser" in front of his name made me think of a medieval knight, and knights are wonderful and honorable people, right?!

Anyway, I was just devistated when he died. Such a kind person. It didn't seem right 

Agree. Ser Otto was a great character and sorta reflected the slightly different focus of DA:O's (or is that, Ferelden's?) templars compared to the general badness of Kirkwall's. Something I've been thinking about recently is the different kinds of knights they have around Thedas. Imagining some young boy wanting to grow up to be a knight in shining armor, is he dreaming of joining the service of some noble (like Ser Perth and Eamon's knights) or becoming a templar (bastion of good, combating the forces of evil... when you're not, you know, oppressing the mages). So for example, Evangeline in Asunder. She was an aristocrat's daughter. So why templar and not knight, I wonder?

@Lola: No worries lol. You actually did me a favor. I don't get to see every reply from people and tend to forget the post a week later so ty for posting it. I actually asked her that question to get an idea of what her character in DA3 may have been. The question was supposed to do two things, 1. Invoke discussion between us and 2. To see what possible character she created. It was a wide net, she could have commented just generally what character she likes to create, but I also imagine that so soon after working on Dragon Age paired with how my twitter name invokes those memories/thought process would make her unconsciously describe her character....so it was a weird plan lol.

@R2: I imagine Evangaline's family had some pull with the Chevaliers keeping her from being recruited/joining. She might also have come across the templars while at the Chantry or just walking down the street. She may just be really devoted to the Chantry and have joined that way,

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

@Lola: No worries lol. You actually did me a favor. I don't get to see every reply from people and tend to forget the post a week later so ty for posting it. I actually asked her that question to get an idea of what her character in DA3 may have been. The question was supposed to do two things, 1. Invoke discussion between us and 2. To see what possible character she created. It was a wide net, she could have commented just generally what character she likes to create, but I also imagine that so soon after working on Dragon Age paired with how my twitter name invokes those memories/thought process would make her unconsciously describe her character....so it was a weird plan lol.

It certainly seemed like a description of Cullen didn't it lol. Did she reply to your other question?

[VampOrchid]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Oh dear, smothering him with a pillow, I certainly couldn't do that with his limbs flailing about and that muffled confusion.

I still say, blood magic experiments to see if they can somehow pull the lyrium from the blood stream without killing the templar!

omg i have been planning a chapter to my fanfic regarding this for months now! its actully going to be in my next chapter lol too funny, but nice to know thwt i am not the only one that thought of it

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

@Lola: No worries lol. You actually did me a favor. I don't get to see every reply from people and tend to forget the post a week later so ty for posting it. I actually asked her that question to get an idea of what her character in DA3 may have been. The question was supposed to do two things, 1. Invoke discussion between us and 2. To see what possible character she created. It was a wide net, she could have commented just generally what character she likes to create, but I also imagine that so soon after working on Dragon Age paired with how my twitter name invokes those memories/thought process would make her unconsciously describe her character....so it was a weird plan lol.

It certainly seemed like a description of Cullen didn't it lol. Did she reply to your other question?

Not yet, but she did mention she likes to write villains as well.

[Danny Boy 7]

Oh btw she is answering my questions atm. Which is really cool of her.

[Danny Boy 7]

Sooo quiet.....

[R2s Muse]

So I am just laughing. New DA confession today is about Alain... or at least, it tries to be about Alain, but like everywhere else, really is just a ruse to hide its Cullen hate. LMVAO

[edit: Of course, to which I respond:   ]

Modifié par R2s Muse, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:26 .

[LolaLei]

LOL that old chestnut.

If the haters bothered to do their research then they'd know that the fans don't ignore the treatment of the mages, especially the ones that were being tortured and raped. I for one would love to hear an explanation as to whether or not Cullen was aware of it, and if so, why didn't he put a stop to it.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

LOL that old chestnut.

If the haters bothered to do their research then they'd know that the fans don't ignore the treatment of the mages, especially the ones that were being tortured and raped. I for one would love to hear an explanation as to whether or not Cullen was aware of it, and if so, why didn't he put a stop to it.

LOL Are you zoning in on my brainwaves, or did you just see on tumblr how I've stepped right into one of those discussions??  /facepalm  I love how I had just stated that there was abuse in the Gallows, and  someone comes back with "I wish for once Cullen fans would admit that there was abuse..." LMAO  Um, say what??

[littlenikki]

I keep trying to write some sort of response, only to realize that we've already discussed this issue, along with all the others, to death. This is really starting to get frustrating!

[R2s Muse]

littlenikki wrote...

I keep trying to write some sort of response, only to realize that we've already discussed this issue, along with all the others, to death. This is really starting to get frustrating!

My new suggestion: Take to tumblr! Explain it there! LMAO

[littlenikki]

R2s Muse wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I keep trying to write some sort of response, only to realize that we've already discussed this issue, along with all the others, to death. This is really starting to get frustrating!

My new suggestion: Take to tumblr! Explain it there! LMAO

Tumblr still frightens and confuses me 

[Jinx]

Same here lol

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I keep trying to write some sort of response, only to realize that we've already discussed this issue, along with all the others, to death. This is really starting to get frustrating!

My new suggestion: Take to tumblr! Explain it there! LMAO

You can explain it all you want. No one will listen.

People do not enter social media with open minds. They go there with their prejudices fixed and are capable of superhuman blindness toward anything that contradicts their very specific interpretation of the universe. True story.