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LolaLei

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R2s Muse wrote...

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LOL that old chestnut.

If the haters bothered to do their research then they'd know that the fans don't ignore the treatment of the mages, especially the ones that were being tortured and raped. I for one would love to hear an explanation as to whether or not Cullen was aware of it, and if so, why didn't he put a stop to it.


LOL Are you zoning in on my brainwaves, or did you just see on tumblr how I've stepped right into one of those discussions??  /facepalm  I love how I had just stated that there was abuse in the Gallows, and  someone comes back with "I wish for once Cullen fans would admit that there was abuse..." LMAO  Um, say what??




Lol, I think I'm zoning in on your brainwaves again!

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Um, dear stupid tumblr person, ALAIN DOES HAVE FANS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH *huff*

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berelinde wrote...

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I keep trying to write some sort of response, only to realize that we've already discussed this issue, along with all the others, to death. This is really starting to get frustrating!


My new suggestion: Take to tumblr! Explain it there! LMAO

You can explain it all you want. No one will listen.

People do not enter social media with open minds. They go there with their prejudices fixed and are capable of superhuman blindness toward anything that contradicts their very specific interpretation of the universe. True story.

LOL That's true. *sigh* Tumblr is an odd creature. Or perhaps I am. I never really interact directly with anyone, so it feels so... aggressive when someone comes after me for something I've said. I suppose I should be happy at my tiny isolated world becoming that much bigger for a nanosecond...  Or NOT! LOL

BTW, I don't recall it being posted here, but did you guys see the  tumblr post DG made about the BSN itself??  Appropriately titled: "On Fandom and Toxic Environments." LOL Interesting.

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Thanks R2 : )

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motomotogirl wrote...

Um, dear stupid tumblr person, ALAIN DOES HAVE FANS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH *huff*


LOL No, MMG, you must be mistaken. You are a Cullen fan, therefore, to you, Alain does not exist. ;)

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R2s Muse wrote...

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Um, dear stupid tumblr person, ALAIN DOES HAVE FANS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH *huff*


LOL No, MMG, you must be mistaken. You are a Cullen fan, therefore, to you, Alain does not exist. ;)


HA! Shows what you know! I think the two could exist very well together, perhaps in a rather naughty fanfic that I may or may not write some day.

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motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Um, dear stupid tumblr person, ALAIN DOES HAVE FANS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH *huff*


LOL No, MMG, you must be mistaken. You are a Cullen fan, therefore, to you, Alain does not exist. ;)


HA! Shows what you know! I think the two could exist very well together, perhaps in a rather naughty fanfic that I may or may not write some day.

Bwahahaha!  That'll show 'em! 

eeerm, actually, I recently read a really really disturbing kmeme fill about Karras and Alain. :shudder: Poor poor Alain.

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R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I keep trying to write some sort of response, only to realize that we've already discussed this issue, along with all the others, to death. This is really starting to get frustrating!


My new suggestion: Take to tumblr! Explain it there! LMAO

You can explain it all you want. No one will listen.

People do not enter social media with open minds. They go there with their prejudices fixed and are capable of superhuman blindness toward anything that contradicts their very specific interpretation of the universe. True story.

LOL That's true. *sigh* Tumblr is an odd creature. Or perhaps I am. I never really interact directly with anyone, so it feels so... aggressive when someone comes after me for something I've said. I suppose I should be happy at my tiny isolated world becoming that much bigger for a nanosecond...  Or NOT! LOL

BTW, I don't recall it being posted here, but did you guys see the  tumblr post DG made about the BSN itself??  Appropriately titled: "On Fandom and Toxic Environments." LOL Interesting.


He's spot on.

I'm kinda dreading that he might get asked a question relating to the Cullen fans. I'd hate for a million trolls to come flooding in here ruining the chi LOL.

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R2s Muse wrote...

eeerm, actually, I recently read a really really disturbing kmeme fill about Karras and Alain. :shudder: Poor poor Alain. 


<_< Okay, that makes me rage. I am usually cool with people's various kinks, but what is wrong with you that you want to read/write something like that... I don't know. That upsets me...

Keeping in mind I am like Alain's biggest fan lol 

Also my fic would probably not be at all naughty but instead would be super sugary sweet and lovey-dovey... *lame*

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Reminds me of people who are into Danarius x Fenris fics and art. I mean, no. Just NO.

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Reminds me of people who are into Danarius x Fenris fics and art. I mean, no. Just NO.

oh dear, I hear you.  I have to skip right over those now. 

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LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

BTW, I don't recall it being posted here, but did you guys see the  tumblr post DG made about the BSN itself??  Appropriately titled: "On Fandom and Toxic Environments." LOL Interesting.


He's spot on.

I'm kinda dreading that he might get asked a question relating to the Cullen fans. I'd hate for a million trolls to come flooding in here ruining the chi LOL.

Oh man, I hadn't even thought of that. I almost expected a shout out in that post, about how there are some friendly, if crazy, corners of BSN. But you make me realize it's better that he didn't. 

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motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

eeerm, actually, I recently read a really really disturbing kmeme fill about Karras and Alain. :shudder: Poor poor Alain. 


<_< Okay, that makes me rage. I am usually cool with people's various kinks, but what is wrong with you that you want to read/write something like that... I don't know. That upsets me...

Keeping in mind I am like Alain's biggest fan lol 

Also my fic would probably not be at all naughty but instead would be super sugary sweet and lovey-dovey... *lame*

doesn't sound lame to me. Like, Cullen's knight in shining armor saves the day, and Alain? LOL I think Alain deserves some sugary sweet... And some saving. Wasn't someone at some point going to write a fanfic about how Cullen knew about the abuses and was secretly doing something about it behind the scenes?? Lola, was that one of yours?

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Nope wasn't me!

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Awww I like DG he's such a nice dude.

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Sadly when people post those messages it's purely for a ranting nature. They're not open for debate, it's a topic that will have no discussion and automatically because we like a character we automatically agree with everything they do or are believed to have done. Does every Anders fan condone terrorism/bombing civilian housings? No. Does every Sten fan agree with the core tenets of the Qun? Of course not. That's not to say that they are totally against it, but they might dislike his philosophical thought process, but not the teachings in and of themselves.

I honestly have little to no opinion on Alain, why? Because I have very little interaction with him. Alain to me was a scared but faithful guy. I sympathized with him, because honestly I dunno if I could handle life outside the circle if I was him. I hate what happens to him, I ABHORE it, but I'm not gonna blame Cullen, for something he might not even be aware of, just like I don't blame the parents or spouse of a serial killer, Sometimes these people are attached at the hip, but they still don't recognize what's happening.

There aren't any real clear cut signs. I'd like to believe Cullen had no idea what was happening or conversely that he was trying to stop it, but if he was aware and did nothing/let it slide then he better have a good damn reason otherwise I might "disown" him.

Until then I'll follow DG's quote that he's one of the good templars and if I feel a compulsion I'll like Alain as well, but currently he just doesn't...compel me like some other characters.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Sadly when people post those messages it's purely for a ranting nature. They're not open for debate, it's a topic that will have no discussion and automatically because we like a character we automatically agree with everything they do or are believed to have done. Does every Anders fan condone terrorism/bombing civilian housings? No. Does every Sten fan agree with the core tenets of the Qun? Of course not. That's not to say that they are totally against it, but they might dislike his philosophical thought process, but not the teachings in and of themselves.

I honestly have little to no opinion on Alain, why? Because I have very little interaction with him. Alain to me was a scared but faithful guy. I sympathized with him, because honestly I dunno if I could handle life outside the circle if I was him. I hate what happens to him, I ABHORE it, but I'm not gonna blame Cullen, for something he might not even be aware of, just like I don't blame the parents or spouse of a serial killer, Sometimes these people are attached at the hip, but they still don't recognize what's happening.

There aren't any real clear cut signs. I'd like to believe Cullen had no idea what was happening or conversely that he was trying to stop it, but if he was aware and did nothing/let it slide then he better have a good damn reason otherwise I might "disown" him.

Until then I'll follow DG's quote that he's one of the good templars and if I feel a compulsion I'll like Alain as well, but currently he just doesn't...compel me like some other characters.

Good point. I suppose that's one actual piece of evidence. At least I hope so! LOL

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Good templar or no, I've been saving up my bitter tears in a Tupperware container in case the devs have decided to either not make Cullen a companion or <gulp> let him die in our arms.

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meanieweenie wrote...

Good templar or no, I've been saving up my bitter tears in a Tupperware container in case the devs have decided to either not make Cullen a companion or <gulp> let him die in our arms.


Nooooo! We shall not speak of it!

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Just posted in an a thread about the art style of both games....I feel as though I stare at these characters WAY to much. I just went into an in depth analysis of how DA2!Cullen and Origins!Alistair don't look a like...even remotely.

Lol...I need a life :P

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Wasn't someone at some point going to write a fanfic about how Cullen knew about the abuses and was secretly doing something about it behind the scenes?? Lola, was that one of yours?

I think it was vieralynn.

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I like to believe that if Cullen knew about the abuses he would have tried to do something about it. He seems a person that would want to do the right thing. He did scale the templar ranks quite quickly, so maybe things were kept hidden from him due to resentment or lack of respect by other templars?

I did feel for Alain and what happened just made my Hawke more pro-mage, but when he spoke I kept thinking of Ser Wesley (same VA).

dannyboy - I agree DA2 Cullen and Alistair look nothing like each other.

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I think the fact that Gaider himself said that Cullen is one of the good guys goes to show that he either didn't know about it or was trying to put a stop to it. A good guy doesn't sit back and let someone rape and/or torture people lol.

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Newschmoo wrote...

I like to believe that if Cullen knew about the abuses he would have tried to do something about it. He seems a person that would want to do the right thing. He did scale the templar ranks quite quickly, so maybe things were kept hidden from him due to resentment or lack of respect by other templars? 


I think the abuses were less a result of rank and more a result of the culture within the Kirkwall templars.  Karras got away with being a dick because he was firmly in Meredith's pocket, and while Cullen was her Knight-Captain, he was never her crony like some of the more extreme templars.  Alrik I have a harder time justifying, but since Ella refers to "Ser Alrik's men" rather than the templars in general, I'd say Alrik managed to gather a few of scumbags personally loyal to him, and kept his atrocities hidden from Meredith and Cullen as best he could.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Newschmoo wrote...

I like to believe that if Cullen knew about the abuses he would have tried to do something about it. He seems a person that would want to do the right thing. He did scale the templar ranks quite quickly, so maybe things were kept hidden from him due to resentment or lack of respect by other templars? 


I think the abuses were less a result of rank and more a result of the culture within the Kirkwall templars.  Karras got away with being a dick because he was firmly in Meredith's pocket, and while Cullen was her Knight-Captain, he was never her crony like some of the more extreme templars.  Alrik I have a harder time justifying, but since Ella refers to "Ser Alrik's men" rather than the templars in general, I'd say Alrik managed to gather a few of scumbags personally loyal to him, and kept his atrocities hidden from Meredith and Cullen as best he could.

This is my view as well, that although he was promoted early and quickly for his past experiences, he probably was never in Meredith's inner circle.

I'm also less certain about his knowledge of Alrik. He seems to know all about Alrik's death and his "Tranquil Solution." Plus, with Tranquil ladies traipsing about the Gallows' courtyard talking about how they belong to Alrik... how could he not have known?!? Of course, I can make up a number of theories for why he was out of the loop, or even doing his best behind the scenes, but it could just be "oblivious" as DG also calls him. LOL