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[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...
 That would be a great way to do it!!  Alternatively... makes we want to send DG an ask on tumblr... <_< Inquiring, often-persecuted Cullen-fans want to know!

I suddenly got a vision of Dorothy walking up to that projection of the giant head with the flames shooting up to ask the Wizard for help. LOL

Cullen fan: "Oh great and powerful Gaider... <curtsey>... if you please sir... could you clarify..."
DG: "SILENCE FOOL!"
*Cullen fan runs screaming and jumps out window*

LOL This is my fear as well.


But, maybe Lola's right, and it could be done in such a way that he'd answer. Seems pretty specific, though, for the questions he's chosen to answer so far. And,  I think with the Anders post, he said something about being reluctant to ask lots of character specific questions...?

What if we make it a Templar specific question?

[R2s Muse]

A templar question might work. I imagine that he's getting bombarded by asks now that he's opened up for business on tumblr. So, I don't think we can assume anything by him not answering except that he didn't choose our question from the pile.

But, something more general about good vs. bad templars might work. Like, "We saw so many "bad" templars in DA2. Were there also "good" templars working in the background that we didn't get to see? What about those we did see, like Thrask and Cullen?" I dunno. I was also thinking about something about the writing process, how they must have so much more backstory than we get to see in game.

[meanieweenie]

Maybe if we make this face when asking:

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I think early on, it's likely he was out of the loop with a lot of what happened. For example, maybe Alrik's death finally brought to light all his actions. But by Act 3, Cullen's gotta know at least some of it. In talking with him in the Gallows, I always feel like he's sort of weary when telling me the party line. He almost never tells you what he thinks, but always talks in generalities like he doesn't want to reveal too much to Hawke. 

I know you posted this hours ago, but I'm not always able to keep up.

In Act 1, I'd agree with your assessment that he had absolutely no idea what was going on. OK, he probably noticed that templars in Kirkwall were allowed a lot more liberty to pursue their prurient inclinations than those in Lake Calenhad, but he probably attributed that to the fact that there was nothing between the Gallows and the Red Lantern District but a ferry ride and a flight of stairs. He probably had no idea that his fellow templars were in the habit of poking the mages. Given Greagoir's prohibition against fraternization, it wouldn't have occurred to him to ask. He would not have found out about Alain, though. Hawke finds out because Alain trusts him/her. Alain has learned the hard way not to trust templars.

Even in Act 2, he would have had to know that something was going on. He would have had to notice how many more Tranquil there were wandering around, and he would have had to have noticed how many more pregnancies there were among the mages (maybe I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember one Tranquil mage saying that she was carrying Alrik's child...). In any event, the mages, Tranquil or otherwise, weren't shy about talking about Alrik in ambient dialogue. He would have heard. Maybe Cullen attributed it to Alrik being a sicko rather than a system-wide failure. Regardless, templars close ranks to protect their own. It's only natural. Friend or not, Hawke is an outsider in the Gallows, and I would not expect Cullen to air the Order's dirty laundry where Hawke could see it. Whatever his private feelings on the subject, I would expect him to toe the party line in public, and he isn't the one who decides where that line lies.

By Act 3, he really does resemble a politician's weary aide. He strikes me as someone who is sick of having to defend his boss and resentful of the need to do it. He seems to realize that his Order is losing public confidence and public trust, but he signed on for the duration. While there is a Knight-Commander in Kirkwall, he is sworn to stand by her.

LOL Naw, you're not late, berelinde! Totally agree with your politician's aide analogy. LOL I totally see him as being extremely conflicted in what he can say at the end. The fact that in one breath he takes Hawke to task for being too hard on Meredith, and in the next says how he's not sure if following Meredith is the same as following the Order. He's got some mad juggling to do. ...or is that tapdancing?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 09 janvier 2013 - 07:30 .

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

Maybe if we make this face when asking:

Bwahahaha! "Please, ser, may we have some more Cullen fan fodder?"

or this... 

[meanieweenie]

Whatever it takes.... that's my motto. LOL

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2 - I'm finding it amusing that your headcannon is shaping mine from all your fanfic. LOL I think it's the logicality (is that even a word?) of it all. If I want Cullen to be one of the good guys then he would have to be 'hands tied' by the orders rules right up to the event horizon of Meredith's nuttiness.

LOL Not sure if I should apologize!! 

Also loving that you slipped in some black hole terminology there... heh heh, she said event horizon... heh heh

HAHAHA! *smishes R2 into tiny little bits* You're too awesome!

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

So yeah, hard to say what Cullen could really have done... but if he really knew all of that... he better have been doing SOMETHING.

Oh my god! 

What if some of "things" Alain refers to was like, asking blood mages to do stuff to people so their minds aren't their own... Like influencing the Viscount? Or what if Cullen was unaware, not because he didn't SEE but because his mind was screwed with so that he wouldn't remember? There are blood mages in the Circle. There are bad templars there too. Presumably those knights would do whatever they felt they must not to get caught. And most mages that have resorted to blood magic did so out of desperation. They may jump on the chance to appease the Order and make their lot in life less horrible.

The "good knights" wouldn't expect their own brothers-in-arms to do anything to them and so would have their defenses down. It's been established that Templars can resist magic but only if they use lyirum. What if they're more vulnerable at the end of a day on duty? Another knight would know EXACTLY when to come to someone with a blood mage in tow. And the victim wouldn't see it coming, wouldn't be prepared for it and would be subjected just as much as the next guy, to the mind-screw.

I think... I just blew my own mind....

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So yeah, hard to say what Cullen could really have done... but if he really knew all of that... he better have been doing SOMETHING.

Oh my god! 

What if some of "things" Alain refers to was like, asking blood mages to do stuff to people so their minds aren't their own... Like influencing the Viscount? Or what if Cullen was unaware, not because he didn't SEE but because his mind was screwed with so that he wouldn't remember? There are blood mages in the Circle. There are bad templars there too. Presumably those knights would do whatever they felt they must not to get caught. And most mages that have resorted to blood magic did so out of desperation. They may jump on the chance to appease the Order and make their lot in life less horrible.

The "good knights" wouldn't expect their own brothers-in-arms to do anything to them and so would have their defenses down. It's been established that Templars can resist magic but only if they use lyirum. What if they're more vulnerable at the end of a day on duty? Another knight would know EXACTLY when to come to someone with a blood mage in tow. And the victim wouldn't see it coming, wouldn't be prepared for it and would be subjected just as much as the next guy, to the mind-screw.

I think... I just blew my own mind....

OMG... boy, throw blood magic in there, and anything goes!  eek!

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2 - I'm finding it amusing that your headcannon is shaping mine from all your fanfic. LOL I think it's the logicality (is that even a word?) of it all. If I want Cullen to be one of the good guys then he would have to be 'hands tied' by the orders rules right up to the event horizon of Meredith's nuttiness.

LOL Not sure if I should apologize!! 

Also loving that you slipped in some black hole terminology there... heh heh, she said event horizon... heh heh

HAHAHA! *smishes R2 into tiny little bits* You're too awesome!

hehheh, I aim to please!   Thanks!

[Sable Rhapsody]

berelinde wrote...
Regardless, templars close ranks to protect their own. It's only natural. Friend or not, Hawke is an outsider in the Gallows, and I would not expect Cullen to air the Order's dirty laundry where Hawke could see it. Whatever his private feelings on the subject, I would expect him to toe the party line in public, and he isn't the one who decides where that line lies.

This too.

There's also the element of willful obliviousness--not exactly good, but very human.  Cullen wants to be a good person, and I think he also wants to believe the templars are truly doing the Maker's will and serving the side of good.  When you want something to be true, you inevitably brush off things that conflict with that worldview.  I'd say it's pretty weak by Act 3, but in Acts 1 and 2 he certainly (to me) seems to be holding on very tightly to the idea that the templars are the unequivocal good guys here.

[CuriousArtemis]

Excerpts from the art book, in case anyone is interested: http://www.newsarama...gid=4764&page=1

Really disappointed by the stylized WHITE Isabela...

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Excerpts from the art book, in case anyone is interested: http://www.newsarama...gid=4764&page=1

Really disappointed by the stylized WHITE Isabela...

Geez, just started and already I could stare at that map forever...totally going to buy this when it comes out now.

[LolaLei]

Ooooo!!!

Anyone know if any of those pieces of concept art is from DA3?

[Danny Boy 7]

I may be reaching here...but do you guys think that that picture on the last page with the Qunari fellow and his two companions are party members? I'm definitely reaching, but the red just seems right. I'm unaware of any Thedosian country that actually uses red as it's primary color but meh.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I may be reaching here...but do you guys think that that picture on the last page with the Qunari fellow and his two companions are party members? I'm definitely reaching, but the red just seems right. I'm unaware of any Thedosian country that actually uses red as it's primary color but meh.

The red hood made me wonder if it was our (possible) Inquisitor lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Ooooo!!!

Anyone know if any of those pieces of concept art is from DA3?

Unfortunately/fortunately most of that stuffs looks new, however it could be from the timeline/source book I've heard mentioned by David and Mike. I doubt we'll know exactly but some of it looks like Origins concept art while others looks like DA2 concept art.

Like the one on the third page looks like a very early version of Hawke.

That map makes me excited for volcanoes in Orlais,  Plus the desert of the Western Approach, the Dales, Kal-Sharok. 

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I may be reaching here...but do you guys think that that picture on the last page with the Qunari fellow and his two companions are party members? I'm definitely reaching, but the red just seems right. I'm unaware of any Thedosian country that actually uses red as it's primary color but meh.

The red hood made me wonder if it was our (possible) Inquisitor lol.

Thats what I thought, but I'm wondering if it isn't because black has been such a big part of the Inquisitor imagery. Then again red has been used to distinguish the difference between this Inquisition and the ones of the past/current Seeker icons.

[R2s Muse]

Oh wow... just had to read every single word on those pages. SO EXCITED for that volume. Wow. Also a bit disappointed with white Isabela, but maybe the other stylized pics are whiter? That last pic with the Qunari, I dunno. Looks like a Qunari landing party to me about to kick some Thedosian butt.

Very interesting to find out what's officially canon now, as far as Asunder is concerned.
"Shortly after the end of the Fifth Blight, an apostate mage destroyed a Chantry temple in Kirkwall. Further unrest in the Orlesian capital of Val Royeaux led to a b attle in the city's Circle between templars and high-ranking mages. When it was revealed that the Divine, head of the chantry, had all but supported the mages in this conflict, many templars and Seekers severed ties with the Chantry, spelling an uncertain future for all." (p.14)

Soo.... interesting that it says "many templars and Seekers" but not all. Plus "further unrest in ... Val Royeaux" is sorta vague. Do you think they only mean the drama with the mage conclave voting to quit the Circles, or also the civil war?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh wow... just had to read every single word on those pages. SO EXCITED for that volume. Wow. Also a bit disappointed with white Isabela, but maybe the other stylized pics are whiter? That last pic with the Qunari, I dunno. Looks like a Qunari landing party to me about to kick some Thedosian butt.

Very interesting to find out what's officially canon now, as far as Asunder is concerned.
"Shortly after the end of the Fifth Blight, an apostate mage destroyed a Chantry temple in Kirkwall. Further unrest in the Orlesian capital of Val Royeaux led to a b attle in the city's Circle between templars and high-ranking mages. When it was revealed that the Divine, head of the chantry, had all but supported the mages in this conflict, many templars and Seekers severed ties with the Chantry, spelling an uncertain future for all." (p.14)

Soo.... interesting that it says "many templars and Seekers" but not all. Plus "further unrest in ... Val Royeaux" is sorta vague. Do you think they only mean the drama with the mage conclave voting to quit the Circles, or also the civil war?

I like that it says "many" but not "all", there's hope for us yet!

[Shades_Of_Pale]

You're able to read it? I can't. Is there some sort of enlarging link or something?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh wow... just had to read every single word on those pages. SO EXCITED for that volume. Wow. Also a bit disappointed with white Isabela, but maybe the other stylized pics are whiter? That last pic with the Qunari, I dunno. Looks like a Qunari landing party to me about to kick some Thedosian butt.

Very interesting to find out what's officially canon now, as far as Asunder is concerned.
"Shortly after the end of the Fifth Blight, an apostate mage destroyed a Chantry temple in Kirkwall. Further unrest in the Orlesian capital of Val Royeaux led to a b attle in the city's Circle between templars and high-ranking mages. When it was revealed that the Divine, head of the chantry, had all but supported the mages in this conflict, many templars and Seekers severed ties with the Chantry, spelling an uncertain future for all." (p.14)

Soo.... interesting that it says "many templars and Seekers" but not all. Plus "further unrest in ... Val Royeaux" is sorta vague. Do you think they only mean the drama with the mage conclave voting to quit the Circles, or also the civil war?

I like that it says "many" but not "all", there's hope for us yet!

Definitely support our "Cullen still supports the Chantry" notion.

[R2s Muse]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

You're able to read it? I can't. Is there some sort of enlarging link or something?

If you read it on a big enough screen. I just maximized my browser window, but you can also right click and View Image, which might help.

[VampOrchid]

wooot! just got my brand spanking new dragon age ultimate edition in the mail today! I'm gonna go download the DAModder and some downloads!!

[Shades_Of_Pale]

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

You're able to read it? I can't. Is there some sort of enlarging link or something?

If you read it on a big enough screen. I just maximized my browser window, but you can also right click and View Image, which might help.

I can read it now (on the computer, d'oh \\facepalm) but not the history of the Exalted Marches part :sigh: