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Man would I be upset...I'd probably sit in a fetal position, rocking back forth, "they are still together, they are still together."

But, what else would they do with Alistair? I suppose it depends on his ending.


Kill the Warden off, leaving him single. Kill him off? Make them break up for the hell of it? Anora dies and he has to take over the throne after all because she failed to produce an heir, which would leave all non-couslands screwed lol.

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Oh crap....I feel a disturbance in the forums...So DA2 wasn't even a sequel, thats why it sucks, blah blah blah.

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So for those who romanced Alistair or Isabela ... how do the comics make you feel? I know I'd be pissed if Fenris were a major character in them and made nary a mention of Hawke.


What Alistair's doing in the comics doesn't bother me in the slightest since it feels like fan fic... just a certain incarnation of Alistair that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with my version(s) of Alistair. Now, that being said... if Alistair hadn't mention my Queen after I imported into Awakenings... heads would have rolled. So, I see the comics and books as a totally separate thing. To see my DA2 LI in DA3 and not mention me?  That would feel like... feel like... well, that would feel exactly like playing all the DA2 DLC with my rivalmanced Sebastian! LOL Which was SUCKY in the extreme.

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cacey lee wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Man would I be upset...I'd probably sit in a fetal position, rocking back forth, "they are still together, they are still together."

But, what else would they do with Alistair? I suppose it depends on his ending.

Did you ever see him in the Hanged man?


Yeah, I did it once with one of the default choices. Does anyone know what he says if he's drunk in the Hanged Man and the Warden screwed him over if he was in a relationship with her? Does he mention anything about it? Like "I thought she loved me but I was wrong" or whatever?

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Oh crap....I feel a disturbance in the forums...So DA2 wasn't even a sequel, thats why it sucks, blah blah blah.


NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Although, it did feel like a story set up.

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R2s Muse wrote...

if Alistair hadn't mention my Queen after I imported into Awakenings... heads would have rolled. So, I see the comics and books as a totally separate thing. To see my DA2 LI in DA3 and not mention me?  That would feel like... feel like... well, that would feel exactly like playing all the DA2 DLC with my rivalmanced Sebastian! LOL Which was SUCKY in the extreme. 


Boo :crying: I know that feel to a certain extent because for about six months after the release of Legacy, Fenris did not even acknowledge his relationship with Hawke. It's nice that they did eventually get around to fixing that though. Which is more than I can say for Zevran in DA2.

Yeah, it's true the comics aren't canon ... can we call them DG's "head canon" since he seems so fond of the word? Honestly, head canon is the stuff you make up in your head after the game/book/film has ended. And I don't think it's head canon for us players to assume Hawke/the Warden and his/her LI live happily ever after.

Not that BW writers aren't within their right to reveal in DA3 that Hawke or the Warden died. But the LI, if s/he should show up, should acknowledge that. That's not-head canon; that's consistent writing!!!!

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LolaLei wrote...

cacey lee wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Man would I be upset...I'd probably sit in a fetal position, rocking back forth, "they are still together, they are still together."

But, what else would they do with Alistair? I suppose it depends on his ending.

Did you ever see him in the Hanged man?


Yeah, I did it once with one of the default choices. Does anyone know what he says if he's drunk in the Hanged Man and the Warden screwed him over if he was in a relationship with her? Does he mention anything about it? Like "I thought she loved me but I was wrong" or whatever?

I'm sure its on youtube..

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cacey lee wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

cacey lee wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Man would I be upset...I'd probably sit in a fetal position, rocking back forth, "they are still together, they are still together."

But, what else would they do with Alistair? I suppose it depends on his ending.

Did you ever see him in the Hanged man?


Yeah, I did it once with one of the default choices. Does anyone know what he says if he's drunk in the Hanged Man and the Warden screwed him over if he was in a relationship with her? Does he mention anything about it? Like "I thought she loved me but I was wrong" or whatever?

I'm sure its on youtube..


Couldn't find an LI version.

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motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

if Alistair hadn't mention my Queen after I imported into Awakenings... heads would have rolled. So, I see the comics and books as a totally separate thing. To see my DA2 LI in DA3 and not mention me?  That would feel like... feel like... well, that would feel exactly like playing all the DA2 DLC with my rivalmanced Sebastian! LOL Which was SUCKY in the extreme. 


Boo :crying: I know that feel to a certain extent because for about six months after the release of Legacy, Fenris did not even acknowledge his relationship with Hawke. It's nice that they did eventually get around to fixing that though. Which is more than I can say for Zevran in DA2.

Yeah, it's true the comics aren't canon ... can we call them DG's "head canon" since he seems so fond of the word? Honestly, head canon is the stuff you make up in your head after the game/book/film has ended. And I don't think it's head canon for us players to assume Hawke/the Warden and his/her LI live happily ever after.

Not that BW writers aren't within their right to reveal in DA3 that Hawke or the Warden died. But the LI, if s/he should show up, should acknowledge that. That's not-head canon; that's consistent writing!!!!


I'd say that it was just for this story to work. Varric/Isabela would want money and Alistair only has money as a King/ any desire to look for his father. Drunk Alistair wouldn't and as a Warden he doesn't have as much time on his hands.

I agree though if they change any relationships afterwards then why have romance at all? I mean it's realistic somewhat but I doubt our LI's especially an unhardened Leliana would break up with the Warden. SInce I believe hardened Leliana does at the end of the game if you didn't kill Majorlaine.

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LolaLei wrote...

cacey lee wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

cacey lee wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Man would I be upset...I'd probably sit in a fetal position, rocking back forth, "they are still together, they are still together."

But, what else would they do with Alistair? I suppose it depends on his ending.

Did you ever see him in the Hanged man?


Yeah, I did it once with one of the default choices. Does anyone know what he says if he's drunk in the Hanged Man and the Warden screwed him over if he was in a relationship with her? Does he mention anything about it? Like "I thought she loved me but I was wrong" or whatever?

I'm sure its on youtube..


Couldn't find an LI version.

:blush:thats lame

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LolaLei wrote...

cacey lee wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

cacey lee wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Man would I be upset...I'd probably sit in a fetal position, rocking back forth, "they are still together, they are still together."

But, what else would they do with Alistair? I suppose it depends on his ending.

Did you ever see him in the Hanged man?


Yeah, I did it once with one of the default choices. Does anyone know what he says if he's drunk in the Hanged Man and the Warden screwed him over if he was in a relationship with her? Does he mention anything about it? Like "I thought she loved me but I was wrong" or whatever?

I'm sure its on youtube..


Couldn't find an LI version.


I doubt that there would be a flag indicating whether Alistair was romanced pre-betrayel or not, so it's probable that he says the same lines no matter what. I mean, they're pretty much broken up at the point of him leaving, so it makes sense that the romance would be unflagged for future imports.

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As far as this Alistair and Isabela connection with the comic-verse, do they actually hook up or something? I've only read the first series, and I saw a bit of flirting from Isabela but that's pretty much it.

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LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Oh crap....I feel a disturbance in the forums...So DA2 wasn't even a sequel, thats why it sucks, blah blah blah.


NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Although, it did feel like a story set up.


Yeah, but I think it was an important event nonetheless. Can you imagine how jarring it would be without DA2 in the middle?

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This is really bothering me now :( can any of you find that quote that says Leliana broke up with the Warden from a dev in particular?

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Sorry, I haven't been around much. I'm still uber sick over here :( and to boot, I fell out of my suv onto the ice today...so yeah, the universe hates me.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

This is really bothering me now :( can any of you find that quote that says Leliana broke up with the Warden from a dev in particular?

i didn't know they broke up either. I thought Lel mentioned the warden fondly during the quest, Faith...?

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Oh crap....I feel a disturbance in the forums...So DA2 wasn't even a sequel, thats why it sucks, blah blah blah.


NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Although, it did feel like a story set up.

Yeah, but I think it was an important event nonetheless. Can you imagine how jarring it would be without DA2 in the middle?

DA2 definitely felt like a set up for a bigger story, so I'm not surprised they've had Inquisition planned for a while. Here's my worry tho... And don't judge me for my analogy! Stephenie Meyer ran into that with the last Twilight book. She always had the ending planned, and when the first book did well, she wrote in between sequels that capitalized on her, erm, formula. Which  her fans loved. And then she released her finale... Which was a bit of a horse of a different color... Much outcry was heard. Now, not saying DA is twilight... But DA3could be something completely different from either game. 

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As far as this Alistair and Isabela connection with the comic-verse, do they actually hook up or something? I've only read the first series, and I saw a bit of flirting from Isabela but that's pretty much it.

they do not. No hook ups for Alistair (yet) and they haven't said if he's married or not.

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MMG: do you think it would feel different with your Origins LI, which had a real epilogue that explicitly talked about your long term "happily ever after", as opposed to DA2's more vague ... "Well except LI" which could really mean anything... ?

Like, I feel like my LI stuck with me a few years post Kirkwall... But after that, seems like a world of things could happen. 

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 janvier 2013 - 01:42 .


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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

This is really bothering me now :( can any of you find that quote that says Leliana broke up with the Warden from a dev in particular?


The devs never said it, just people speculating. However, Gaider never confirmed or denied whether their speculation was correct or not.

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Aww sorry Vamp :( I hope you feel better.

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It makes sense that DA2 would be the filler. I guess that's why DA2's original plot got changed into DA3, otherwise it would've felt a bit jarring.

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R2s Muse wrote...

DA2 definitely felt like a set up for a bigger story, so I'm not surprised they've had Inquisition planned for a while. Here's my worry tho... And don't judge me for my analogy! Stephenie Meyer ran into that with the last Twilight book. She always had the ending planned, and when the first book did well, she wrote in between sequels that capitalized on her, erm, formula. Which  her fans loved. And then she released her finale... Which was a bit of a horse of a different color... Much outcry was heard. Now, not saying DA is twilight... But DA3could be something completely different from either game. 

Chiming in here - the 'Lost' creators said the same thing. They basically said that they always had an ending planned out so many of the episodes were either fluff or plot boosters. Some weeks were crap but you could feel it was setting up the scene for a big boom somewhere. That's exactly what I felt with DA2. It felt like a plot catalyst. Image IPB

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I agree though if they change any relationships afterwards then why have romance at all? I mean it's realistic somewhat but I doubt our LI's especially an unhardened Leliana would break up with the Warden. SInce I believe hardened Leliana does at the end of the game if you didn't kill Majorlaine.


And if the DA:O LI does leave the Warden, it should be a big deal; i.e. Alistair reveals that he had to focus on his duties as a King or Zevran got caught up with the Crows and didn't want to drag the Warden into it; ditto with Leliana and her super spy gig with the Divine. Not just... them showing up and never mentioning the Warden, and then also hitting on the new PC, as if the relationship never occurred.

And those reasons would have to be damn good... like, better than what I listed above. Alistair is IN LOVE, like crazy deep puppy love, with the Warden. As for Zevran, he pretty much proposes to the Warden. I haven't played the other two LI, but I suspect they're just as deeply devoted to their love. I almost feel like, short of death, nothing would make sense for the Warden and the LI to be split up.

And ditto with Hawke. GDI we're getting ourselves all worked up over something that hasn't happened LOL

It's not even Cullen-related :pinched: *guilty* :lol:

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R2s Muse wrote...

MMG: do you think it would feel different with your Origins LI, which had a real epilogue that explicitly talked about your long term "happily ever after", as opposed to DA2's more vague ... "Well except LI" which could really mean anything... ?

Like, I feel like my LI stuck with me a few years post Kirkwall... But after that, seems like a world of things could happen. 


Nah not at all, because I feel like the connection between Hawke and Fenris was deeper and just... moved me more. Whereas the Warden and Zevran felt a little shallow, mostly seeing as how the Warden was a shell of a man lol