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[CuriousArtemis]

Oh poor Vampy Hope you start to feel better soon. They are reporting the flu is soooo bad this year....

[meanieweenie]

motomotogirl wrote...

Oh poor Vampy Hope you start to feel better soon. They are reporting the flu is soooo bad this year....

I second this! Well wishes. Seems like everyone is sick right now.

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

DA2 definitely felt like a set up for a bigger story, so I'm not surprised they've had Inquisition planned for a while. Here's my worry tho... And don't judge me for my analogy! Stephenie Meyer ran into that with the last Twilight book. She always had the ending planned, and when the first book did well, she wrote in between sequels that capitalized on her, erm, formula. Which  her fans loved. And then she released her finale... Which was a bit of a horse of a different color... Much outcry was heard. Now, not saying DA is twilight... But DA3could be something completely different from either game. 

Chiming in here - the 'Lost' creators said the same thing. They basically said that they always had an ending planned out so many of the episodes were either fluff or plot boosters. Some weeks were crap but you could feel it was setting up the scene for a big boom somewhere. That's exactly what I felt with DA2. It felt like a plot catalyst.

LOL what was it... Five yrs of plot catalyst?  Still not sure what to think about that ending... But I did love Jacob!

[meanieweenie]

It probably would've been helpful if the cast hadn't kept getting arrested for DUI's and stuff. LOL That one chic was supposed to have been a major player but they had to fire her. That big dummy.

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

MMG: do you think it would feel different with your Origins LI, which had a real epilogue that explicitly talked about your long term "happily ever after", as opposed to DA2's more vague ... "Well except LI" which could really mean anything... ?

Like, I feel like my LI stuck with me a few years post Kirkwall... But after that, seems like a world of things could happen. 

Nah not at all, because I feel like the connection between Hawke and Fenris was deeper and just... moved me more. Whereas the Warden and Zevran felt a little shallow, mostly seeing as how the Warden was a shell of a man lol

yeah, I guess it also depends on how they introduce such a character later on. I could see plausible reasons Hawke's not there... But inevitably we'll be waiting with baited breath to hear that explanation, so without it we'll be devastated. A billion times more so if that LI then proceeds to flirt with your new character. Or worse, someone else. I still want to throttle Bethany for flirting with Seb, on any playthroughs now. LOL

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:07 .

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Oh crap....I feel a disturbance in the forums...So DA2 wasn't even a sequel, thats why it sucks, blah blah blah.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Although, it did feel like a story set up.

Yeah, but I think it was an important event nonetheless. Can you imagine how jarring it would be without DA2 in the middle?

DA2 definitely felt like a set up for a bigger story, so I'm not surprised they've had Inquisition planned for a while. Here's my worry tho... And don't judge me for my analogy! Stephenie Meyer ran into that with the last Twilight book. She always had the ending planned, and when the first book did well, she wrote in between sequels that capitalized on her, erm, formula. Which  her fans loved. And then she released her finale... Which was a bit of a horse of a different color... Much outcry was heard. Now, not saying DA is twilight... But DA3could be something completely different from either game. 

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't. Not just from your description, but from the cultural differences Orlais has from Ferelden. DA2 seems to have been as much a test for the new systems as a way to tell the tale that connects Inquisition to Origins. I don't blame anyone for calling it filler, because that quote makes it seem that way, but besides my perosnal dislike of the connotation that word has taken on here in the BSN I feel like Hawke really is one of the most important people in Dragon Age.

Without him/her a good portion of what's happened wouldn't have, however I think the game grew in it's own way from filler into animportant segment. Maybe I just don't want to let the haters win

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I agree though if they change any relationships afterwards then why have romance at all? I mean it's realistic somewhat but I doubt our LI's especially an unhardened Leliana would break up with the Warden. SInce I believe hardened Leliana does at the end of the game if you didn't kill Majorlaine.

And if the DA:O LI does leave the Warden, it should be a big deal; i.e. Alistair reveals that he had to focus on his duties as a King or Zevran got caught up with the Crows and didn't want to drag the Warden into it; ditto with Leliana and her super spy gig with the Divine. Not just... them showing up and never mentioning the Warden, and then also hitting on the new PC, as if the relationship never occurred.

And those reasons would have to be damn good... like, better than what I listed above. Alistair is IN LOVE, like crazy deep puppy love, with the Warden. As for Zevran, he pretty much proposes to the Warden. I haven't played the other two LI, but I suspect they're just as deeply devoted to their love. I almost feel like, short of death, nothing would make sense for the Warden and the LI to be split up.

And ditto with Hawke. GDI we're getting ourselves all worked up over something that hasn't happened LOL

It's not even Cullen-related  *guilty* 

I agree!

The way the romances were handled, particularly in DA:O all the LI's seem VERY committed to the Warden. Sure, relationships can fail etc, but the epilogues all heavily imply that the Warden and his/her chosen LI stay together for the long haul.

Regarding both DA:O and DA2, if I was the one creating the DA games I wouldn't split the LI's up from any of the past protagonist's for the simple fact that YES the companions belong to BioWare BUT they don't own our protagonist's motivations after the game, they can't predict how every Hawke or Warden ever created will behave or who they romanced. They don't know how our Hawke's/Warden's would handle a break up. Some might be like: "Pfft whatever, you were a crap lay!" Whereas others could be like "I won't give up you up, I'd sooner see you die than leave me!" *Stabby-stabby!* Everyone's protagonist's are different and as such you can't predict the outcome of the LI's or protagonist's fates. Which is why I'd keep the LI's untouchable in terms of their relationship status with our Hawkes/Wardens/DA3 protagonists/etc.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:17 .

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Oh crap....I feel a disturbance in the forums...So DA2 wasn't even a sequel, thats why it sucks, blah blah blah.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Although, it did feel like a story set up.

Yeah, but I think it was an important event nonetheless. Can you imagine how jarring it would be without DA2 in the middle?

DA2 definitely felt like a set up for a bigger story, so I'm not surprised they've had Inquisition planned for a while. Here's my worry tho... And don't judge me for my analogy! Stephenie Meyer ran into that with the last Twilight book. She always had the ending planned, and when the first book did well, she wrote in between sequels that capitalized on her, erm, formula. Which  her fans loved. And then she released her finale... Which was a bit of a horse of a different color... Much outcry was heard. Now, not saying DA is twilight... But DA3could be something completely different from either game. 

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't. Not just from your description, but from the cultural differences Orlais has from Ferelden. DA2 seems to have been as much a test for the new systems as a way to tell the tale that connects Inquisition to Origins. I don't blame anyone for calling it filler, because that quote makes it seem that way, but besides my perosnal dislike of the connotation that word has taken on here in the BSN I feel like Hawke really is one of the most important people in Dragon Age.

Without him/her a good portion of what's happened wouldn't have, however I think the game grew in it's own way from filler into animportant segment. Maybe I just don't want to let the haters win

Definitely! And we still don't even know where he and the Warden have disappeared to yet. Whatevers happened to them it's obviously important. If Hawke wasn't "special" either in skill or blood then he wouldn't have disappeared too.

[R2s Muse]

Thought you guys would enjoy this tribute to DG's awesomeness. New DA confession.

[LolaLei]

LMFAO! Someone needs to show him that!

[Danny Boy 7]

He saw it this is what he said lol.

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider
@DAConfessions There is merit to this reference.

[littlenikki]

Haha! That is so totally spot on, and agreed w/ Lola, someone has to send him that.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

He saw it this is what he said lol.

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider
@DAConfessions There is merit to this reference.

LOL! 

[meanieweenie]

Wow, I never noticed how badly chewed Gene Wilders' nails were. LOL I wonder if the BSN makes DG chew his nails.

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

He saw it this is what he said lol.

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider
@DAConfessions There is merit to this reference.

Love it. What a good sport.

[LolaLei]

So, in light of what we've discovered over the past few months surrounding DA3, how do you feel about Cullen's chances as a potential companion now, compared to before all the details surfaced?

I personally feel that our chances have increased significantly from when I first joined this thread. Back then I figured we'd be lucky if we even got a cameo out of him.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:45 .

[CuriousArtemis]

His chances are exponentially higher... I feel Cullen always had a chance at being a companion and at least a major part of DA3 because he just STOOD OUT to me, a newcomer to the world of Thedas and even RPGs in general, when I first played DA2. Not so much in DA:O, where I never noticed him until I came to the BSN and heard people mention he was in it.

Then the survey leak happened, and he was there (it's so obviously him). And Greg Ellis confirming accidentally that he was back in the studio as Cullen.

Only thing that makes me worried is the tremendous amount of BSN hatred for Cullen, and the way, way, way over-exaggeration of his fan support. There are basically about 10 of us who regularly post here and really like him as a character. That's pretty much it. But that gets translated as 100s of lusty fans who demand their "sexy templar <333" be in DA3 OR ELSE!!!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

So, in light of what we've discovered over the past few months surrounding DA3, how do you feel about Cullen's chances as a potential companion now, compared to before all the details surfaced?

I personally feel that our chances have increased significantly from when I first joined this thread. Back then I figured we'd be lucky if we even got a cameo out of him.

That's a good question. My expectations have been on such a rollercoaster. Agree, I used to think we'd be lucky to have a cameo, and there'd be no way in the the Void that they'd make him a companion. Now... I dunno. I'm definitely much more optimistic about the possibility that he'd be a companion. So I guess I currently think there's actually a chance he'd be a companion, but if I had to bet, I still really think he'll be an NPC.

edit: BUT -- I do definitely think we'll see him in the game!!  I guess that's a big change too. But, probably as an NPC.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:52 .

[R2s Muse]

All righty... I'm out. Nighty night, folks!

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...

Here's something interesting I just found in another thread:

"Allan Schumacher wrote...

Going into the details of how it started as Inquisition (a title that wasn't announced for several years later), but then we spun off of it into Exodus (DA2) is beyond its scope.


I know for a fact that the character, Hawke, wasn't determined before Origins was shipped, because two weeks after Origins was shipped, I was put onto our next project (which technically wasn't actually Dragon Age: Exodus [code name for DA2], but shortly after became Exodus and eventually DA2).

Unfortunately I can only ask you to take my word on this, so if you're skeptical that's fine. Hawke didn't exist until Exodus existed. Exodus didn't exist until after Origins released, and was something that came out from what our original thoughts towards a sequel were going to be (which was actually Inquisition)."

For context here's the link:

http://social.biowar...ex/14604410/130


Now, I could be being incredibly thick here, but is he telling us that DA3 was planned after DA:O and that DA2 was then made to fill in the gaps leading up to DA3?

Huh. So the original "Sequel" was supposed to be DA: Inquisition. DA Exodus  aka DA2 and Hawke were supposed to be a part of the DA Inquisition--sequel..aka ..wait...I'm lost now

But then..something happened.Story too big? Needed a set up? Personally, I always felt like DA2 was an elaborate Origins story for Hawke. The whole swept up in events kind thing that no matter what you do, things end up the same way.

You knoooow, I love Hawke.( I love my Warden, too, but..) I'd hate to see Hawke treated like an unexpected pregnancy. I don;t understand anymore.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:55 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Dude, I apologize for my lengthy replies. I dunno why I'm so wordy tonight lol

Night night, R2!

[rapscallioness]

Aww, goodnight R2.

[Jinx]

I think are chances are much better..(but that's me) Night R2

Modifié par cacey lee, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:55 .

[rapscallioness]

motomotogirl wrote...

Dude, I apologize for my lengthy replies. I dunno why I'm so wordy tonight lol

Night night, R2!

oh, dear. If lengthy replies are an issue, I'm in serious trouble. Lol!

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Here's something interesting I just found in another thread:

"Allan Schumacher wrote...

Going into the details of how it started as Inquisition (a title that wasn't announced for several years later), but then we spun off of it into Exodus (DA2) is beyond its scope.


I know for a fact that the character, Hawke, wasn't determined before Origins was shipped, because two weeks after Origins was shipped, I was put onto our next project (which technically wasn't actually Dragon Age: Exodus [code name for DA2], but shortly after became Exodus and eventually DA2).

Unfortunately I can only ask you to take my word on this, so if you're skeptical that's fine. Hawke didn't exist until Exodus existed. Exodus didn't exist until after Origins released, and was something that came out from what our original thoughts towards a sequel were going to be (which was actually Inquisition)."

For context here's the link:

http://social.biowar...ex/14604410/130


Now, I could be being incredibly thick here, but is he telling us that DA3 was planned after DA:O and that DA2 was then made to fill in the gaps leading up to DA3?

Huh. So the original "Sequel" was supposed to be DA: Inquisition. DA Exodus  aka DA2 and Hawke were supposed to be a part of the DA Inquisition--sequel..aka ..wait...I'm lost now

But then..something happened.Story too big? Needed a set up? Personally, I always felt like DA2 was an elaborate Origins story for Hawke. The whole swept up in events kind thing that no matter what you do, things end up the same way.

You knoooow, I love Hawke.( I love my Warden, too, but..) I'd hate to see Hawke treated like an unexpected pregnancy. I don;t understand anymore.

I'd say DA2 was kinda like the story set up, although it's more elaborate than that from the plot POV. Hawke came along when they decided to make DA:Inquisition as DA3 instead. Lol confusing, isn't it!