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[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Hehehe, Greg Ellis is talking about breasts on Twitter. It's weird picturing that kinda talk coming out of Cullen's mouth!

A bit weirder, considering his user pic is him as a child 

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hehehe, Greg Ellis is talking about breasts on Twitter. It's weird picturing that kinda talk coming out of Cullen's mouth!

A bit weirder, considering his user pic is him as a child 

LOL!

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...





Does it strike anyone else as strange that we're (most likely) part of the new Inquisition, yet we won't be forced to work with the Chantry (or at least be pro-Chantry) and we won't be forced to be pro-Templar, but our insignia is clearly a mix of the Templar and Seeker emblems, both of which being Chantry affiliated.

Makes me wonder if the bulk of the peace gathering is gonna be made up of mostly Seekers and Templars who remained loyal to the Divine, so when the place blows up (or whatever) all those who survived form the Inquisition, merging their insignia logos together. It certainly feels religiously affiliated to me lol.

Keep in mind that this is probably the insignia for the original Inquisition, which of course is a combo of seekers and templars since it split into them. We don't know anything about the new Inquisition. Moreover, the original Inquisition wasn't affiliated with the Chantry either, so if the new organization takes up the old mantle it doesn't mean it's Chantry- or current-day templar affiliated either.

Now I'm really going...

Good point, but what about this peace gathering wiping out the Chantries leadership? They form the Inquisition from the ashes of that blast (if it happens). I dunno, it just seems like it'll be reformed off the back of the Chantry, even if we tell them to sod off after.

... Not that I mind working with the Chantry or anything, but I just can't work out any other good/logical reason why they'd reform using a certain name, insignia and people that are Chantry affliated. I mean, enough people at the gathering must've survived for them to reform the Inquisition with at least a small group, rather than just our protagonist and maybe one or two others lol.

I think I understand what you mean, it's one of those, if we're anti-Chantry why should we care what happened to it's leadership, right? Well I imagine that not only Chantry representatives were killed in the blast, mages, templars, Orlesians, Fereldens, thieves, city guards etc are also killed and facing a common goal they put aside their differences and through that we're able to make one facet of the order more prominent, i.e. being Anti-Templar or Anti-Expansionist etc.

I mean if the "main" team of the Inquisition is our protagonist and the survey was right than we'll have a Qunari and a Magister...not exactly the best pairing or a Spirit/Demon in Cole and Cullen...which, no matter how much I love Cullen...with his PTSD he is NOT gonna like Cole and given that Cole was driven to kill mages in order to "save" them I imagine he may not be that fond of Templars or Seekers so Cassandra might be at risk as well.

So I imagine that the Inquisition will be tied to the Chantry the same way ****'s are tied to cars...they just happened to come from the same place. (Maybe a bad comparison I'm not a historian on cars or ****s lol)

Anyway, here is a fun game I've been playing if any of you ladies want to try it.

Go to: www.choiceofgames.com/heroes-rise/

[R2s Muse]

LOL Danny, apparently you used a bad word there at the end "I imagine that the Inquisition will be tied to the Chantry the same way ****'s are tied to cars...they just happened to come from the same place. " I have no idea what word it was... but now I'm playing madlibs trying to figure it out..

"sh!t's tied to cars"? "b!tches tied to cars" sl u ts tied to cars"... 0_o  asses?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:14 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Anyway, here is a fun game I've been playing if any of you ladies want to try it.

Go to: www.choiceofgames.com/heroes-rise/

Zombie Exodus, also hosted on the Choice of Games site, is my latest obsession.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...


Does it strike anyone else as strange that we're (most likely) part of the new Inquisition, yet we won't be forced to work with the Chantry (or at least be pro-Chantry) and we won't be forced to be pro-Templar, but our insignia is clearly a mix of the Templar and Seeker emblems, both of which being Chantry affiliated.

Makes me wonder if the bulk of the peace gathering is gonna be made up of mostly Seekers and Templars who remained loyal to the Divine, so when the place blows up (or whatever) all those who survived form the Inquisition, merging their insignia logos together. It certainly feels religiously affiliated to me lol.

Keep in mind that this is probably the insignia for the original Inquisition, which of course is a combo of seekers and templars since it split into them. We don't know anything about the new Inquisition. Moreover, the original Inquisition wasn't affiliated with the Chantry either, so if the new organization takes up the old mantle it doesn't mean it's Chantry- or current-day templar affiliated either.

Good point, but what about this peace gathering wiping out the Chantries leadership? They form the Inquisition from the ashes of that blast (if it happens). I dunno, it just seems like it'll be reformed off the back of the Chantry, even if we tell them to sod off after.

... Not that I mind working with the Chantry or anything, but I just can't work out any other good/logical reason why they'd reform using a certain name, insignia and people that are Chantry affliated. I mean, enough people at the gathering must've survived for them to reform the Inquisition with at least a small group, rather than just our protagonist and maybe one or two others lol.

I think I know what  you mean. It's hard to imagine the explosion story set up not having something to do with the Chantry. BUT heh, maybe it's finally time for Thedas to have a little more separation of Church and State, and so altho the Mystery™ to be solved is about the Chantry, the folks investigating it may not have to be affiliated. My A-team analogy is rearing its head again... LOL

[R2s Muse]

You know, I also realized something about the Inquisition heraldry... It's easy for us to see the symbol being a combo of Seeker plus templar... and surely that's the order in which they were designed by BW. But this means the Inquisition had a sword and a sun in its logo before it joined the Chantry, whereas the templar sword is supposed to be the sword of mercy and the seeker's sun is supposed to be the Chantry's sun logo. That early in the Divine age, the worship of Andraste is growing but doesn't permeate everything in Thedosian
culture. Soooo... coincidence or was the Inquisition more religious than we've (read: I've) been led to believe?

Coincidence: A sword is a common symbol for militaristic orders.
Not-so-coincidence: They just happened to use a sun symbol, too?  (altho the sun is a little different
than the Chantry's).

Seeker of Truth:

Templar:

Inquisition:

Chantry:
270x270http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/4/46/Chantry_heraldry_DA2.png[/img]

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:43 .

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Danny, apparently you used a bad word there at the end "I imagine that the Inquisition will be tied to the Chantry the same way ****'s are tied to cars...they just happened to come from the same place. " I have no idea what word it was... but now I'm playing madlibs trying to figure it out..

"sh!t's tied to cars"? "b!tches tied to cars" sl u ts tied to cars"... 0_o  asses?

Lol, I meant to say N  a   z  i s. In regards to how they're technically from the same country, but are generally meant for two entirely different things. Hell they could have been imagined in the same building for all I know . Not that I'm equating that particular group with either the new Inquisition or the Chantry.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

You know, I also realized something about the Inquisition heraldry... It's easy for us to see the symbol being a combo of Seeker plus templar... and surely that's the order in which they were designed by BW. But this means the Inquisition had a sword and a sun in its logo before it joined the Chantry, whereas the templar sword is supposed to be the sword of mercy and the seeker's sun is supposed to be the Chantry's sun logo. That early in the Divine age, the worship of Andraste is growing but doesn't permeate everything in Thedosian
culture. Soooo... coincidence or was the Inquisition more religious than we've (read: I've) been led to believe?

Coincidence: A sword is a common symbol for militaristic orders.
Not-so-coincidence: They just happened to use a sun symbol, too?  (altho the sun is a little different
than the Chantry's).

Seeker of Truth:

Templar:

Inquisition:

Chantry:
270x270http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/4/46/Chantry_heraldry_DA2.png[/img]

I don't exactly know if they'd go into this much depth with their heraldry, but my guess is that the minute difference between images could make for major variance in meaning. So we've all probably seen a swasticka (sp) yeah? It's generally associated with genocide, racism in the enth degree or white supremecy. But  that symbol has been around for quite some time before that political party adopted it and was a symbol of peace at one time. Know what the difference was? They slightly turned it, so it angled differently and added the red around it. That's it.

So maybe the Inquisition's symbol could mean something like they are the sword against those who would see into our minds or they are the swords that strike from the dark? 

Now I think the templar symbol is both a reminder against the "evil" of mages and how they're supposed to be merciful to their charges. (as well as how they are the militant arm of the Chantry)

So while we know the templars do a fair bit of investigative work on their own, it's really no better than if I were to go out and try to solve a murder myself. I could probably do a good job, but I have less luck than someone who has training/rescources to do some actual investigating. So while the templars are the swords (or shield depending on your POV) with their imagry reflecting that, the Seekers are the watchers, they're the spies who are supposed to shape events based on the will of the Divine. They're probably Thedas' best detectives (besides our protagonists who seem to do a fair bit of investigatory work) and their imagery represents that.

So with all that in mind I imagine the Chantry sort of adopted the Inquisition's imagery and split it up amongst their militant arm, one for day to day fighting and representation and the other for the under the table gigs. I have absolutely no idea where the sun imagery comes from though, could be a sign of the Maker maybe since it's drastically different from all the other Inquisition stuff.

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Danny, apparently you used a bad word there at the end "I imagine that the Inquisition will be tied to the Chantry the same way ****'s are tied to cars...they just happened to come from the same place. " I have no idea what word it was... but now I'm playing madlibs trying to figure it out..

"sh!t's tied to cars"? "b!tches tied to cars" sl u ts tied to cars"... 0_o  asses?

Lol, I meant to say N  a   z  i s. In regards to how they're technically from the same country, but are generally meant for two entirely different things. Hell they could have been imagined in the same building for all I know . Not that I'm equating that particular group with either the new Inquisition or the Chantry.

OH! Duh. I should've guessed. Mine were a bit funnier, tho...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 janvier 2013 - 03:59 .

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

You know, I also realized something about the Inquisition heraldry... It's easy for us to see the symbol being a combo of Seeker plus templar... and surely that's the order in which they were designed by BW. But this means the Inquisition had a sword and a sun in its logo before it joined the Chantry, whereas the templar sword is supposed to be the sword of mercy and the seeker's sun is supposed to be the Chantry's sun logo. That early in the Divine age, the worship of Andraste is growing but doesn't permeate everything in Thedosian
culture. Soooo... coincidence or was the Inquisition more religious than we've (read: I've) been led to believe?

Coincidence: A sword is a common symbol for militaristic orders.
Not-so-coincidence: They just happened to use a sun symbol, too?  (altho the sun is a little different
than the Chantry's).

Seeker of Truth:

Templar:

Inquisition:

Chantry:
270x270http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/4/46/Chantry_heraldry_DA2.png[/img]

I don't exactly know if they'd go into this much depth with their heraldry, but my guess is that the minute difference between images could make for major variance in meaning. So we've all probably seen a swasticka (sp) yeah? It's generally associated with genocide, racism in the enth degree or white supremecy. But  that symbol has been around for quite some time before that political party adopted it and was a symbol of peace at one time. Know what the difference was? They slightly turned it, so it angled differently and added the red around it. That's it.

So maybe the Inquisition's symbol could mean something like they are the sword against those who would see into our minds or they are the swords that strike from the dark? 

Now I think the templar symbol is both a reminder against the "evil" of mages and how they're supposed to be merciful to their charges. (as well as how they are the militant arm of the Chantry)

So while we know the templars do a fair bit of investigative work on their own, it's really no better than if I were to go out and try to solve a murder myself. I could probably do a good job, but I have less luck than someone who has training/rescources to do some actual investigating. So while the templars are the swords (or shield depending on your POV) with their imagry reflecting that, the Seekers are the watchers, they're the spies who are supposed to shape events based on the will of the Divine. They're probably Thedas' best detectives (besides our protagonists who seem to do a fair bit of investigatory work) and their imagery represents that.

So with all that in mind I imagine the Chantry sort of adopted the Inquisition's imagery and split it up amongst their militant arm, one for day to day fighting and representation and the other for the under the table gigs. I have absolutely no idea where the sun imagery comes from though, could be a sign of the Maker maybe since it's drastically different from all the other Inquisition stuff.

Good points all. The eye in particular the devs discuss in the behind the scenes video about Dawn of the Seeker about how they seek out the truth, so I'll bet that's true. It also suggests to me that there is at least some thinking about the symbology when they're making these. That being said... there's also some random ones out there. Like this was the "templar heraldry" from the Awakenings shield heraldry files. ???

270x270http://images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/f/fa/H_primalora_0.png[/img]

Anyway, I had meant to add the heraldry for the Maker, as well, which is a sun. But, in yet another shape.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 janvier 2013 - 03:58 .

[Danny Boy 7]

That Templar Heraldry was on Alistair's default shield if I remember correctly. I'm curious as to why the eye of the Seeker's all seeing eye is red now (remember the shirt)?

[R2s Muse]

Hmm, dunno why it would be red. Maybe it was always red and that heraldry is just the monochrome version. Or... maybe it's red for DA:I marketing cuz it just looks cool. LOL

Here's where the devs talk about the meaning behind the Seeker logo. Of course, this is the same vid where they call Cassandra's outfit the "Seeker uniform" which DG has said separately doesn't exist. LOL
http://youtu.be/oN6Ph9AguqY?t=13m19s

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

That Templar Heraldry was on Alistair's default shield if I remember correctly. I'm curious as to why the eye of the Seeker's all seeing eye is red now (remember the shirt)?

I think maybe the red bit was probably done for asthetic reasons on the t.shirts... Or maybe they added red to keep with the red theme they've used so far with the others games?

... Unless the Inquisition is going to be mistaken as "bad" by the general population due to their history, or we won't be the Inquisition at all and the rebelled Templars/Seekers will resume their original reign of terror instead?

[R2s Muse]

The red eye is also curious given that there's a book in the Circle Tower in Witch Hunt called "Of Hammers and Witches: A History". Reading the book prompts the following:

"This ancient Orlesian text dates from the Chantry's early days. Time and dust has weathered most of the ink, but from what you can make out, it covers a war on the heretics of the old Imperium. Faded depictions of men in robes tremble before figures bearing an ominous symbol of a black eye in a sunburst."

Seems to be an obvious reference to the Seekers (or even Inquisitors), but of interest, they call the eye explicitly black.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 janvier 2013 - 04:36 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

The red eye is also curious given that there's a book in the Circle Tower in Witch Hunt called "Of Hammers and Witches: A History". Reading the book prompts the following:

"This ancient Orlesian text dates from the Chantry's early days. Time and dust has weathered most of the ink, but from what you can make out, it covers a war on the heretics of the old Imperium. Faded depictions of men in robes tremble before figures bearing an ominous symbol of a black eye in a sunburst."

Seems to be an obvious reference to the Seekers (or even Inquisitors), but of interest, they call the eye explicitly black.

Could even be the Inquisition they're talking about... or at least, that's what the devs would say if you asked them now LOL! I'm pretty sure the red is just for decorative purposes on the t.shirts.

[LolaLei]

Oh! Blair Brown just said in the Twitter thread that the 10 minute vid was an internal video only, but apparently it's "sooooooooo good".

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh! Blair Brown just said in the Twitter thread that the 10 minute vid was an internal video only, but apparently it's "sooooooooo good".

D'aww. Rats.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Oh! Blair Brown just said in the Twitter thread that the 10 minute vid was an internal video only, but apparently it's "sooooooooo good".

D'aww. Rats.

Spring seems so close, yet so far and we're rapidly running out of topics to talk about.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Oh! Blair Brown just said in the Twitter thread that the 10 minute vid was an internal video only, but apparently it's "sooooooooo good".

D'aww. Rats.

Spring seems so close, yet so far and we're rapidly running out of topics to talk about.

LOL Yeah, I know.

... Cullen doesn't have any suggestions either...

[LolaLei]

I've been thinking about that Tumblr entry Gaider made regarding the romances. I can't help but think that maybe he was giving us some hints about the way one or two of the relationships will play out this time.

So here are my two questions:

1) Based on what we know for sure about Cullen, his past and the way he's reacted to relationships/sex/prostitutes/etc, if it turns out that Cullen is already married or in a relationship, would you feel like it was out of character/jarring? AND if you were able to flirt with him, do you think he'd be the type of man to leave his current relationship for your protagonist, even if he was unhappy with his current partner? If he did leave his partner for the protagonist, would you consider that to be unlike him?

2) If Cullen is unable/unsure how to relate to the possibility of a romance,(based on what we know about him) do you feel that he'd be able to eventually overcome his fears/issues and subsequently strike up a romance with the protagonist? Or do you think he'd be unable/unwilling to ever strike up a relationship beyond telling you that he likes/loves you (if at all).

[Newschmoo]

 

Danny Boy 7 wrote...


So with all that in mind I imagine the Chantry sort of adopted the Inquisition's imagery and split it up amongst their militant arm, one for day to day fighting and representation and the other for the under the table gigs. I have absolutely no idea where the sun imagery comes from though, could be a sign of the Maker maybe since it's drastically different from all the other Inquisition stuff.

The sun is the "symbol represents the fundamental goal of the Chantry itself: if all the lands under the sun raise their voices in the Chant, then and only then will the Maker's eye turn back to His children".  This was quoted in relation to a Sun pendant that was linked to DA2 (I think) on the Bioware site.


I have come across a video on Youtube about a male Hawke and Anders rivalrymance.  They have modded Cullen's head onto Anders and it is so odd (although popular by the number of views).

[LolaLei]

Newschmoo wrote...

 

Danny Boy 7 wrote...


So with all that in mind I imagine the Chantry sort of adopted the Inquisition's imagery and split it up amongst their militant arm, one for day to day fighting and representation and the other for the under the table gigs. I have absolutely no idea where the sun imagery comes from though, could be a sign of the Maker maybe since it's drastically different from all the other Inquisition stuff.

The sun is the "symbol represents the fundamental goal of the Chantry itself: if all the lands under the sun raise their voices in the Chant, then and only then will the Maker's eye turn back to His children".  This was quoted in relation to a Sun pendant that was linked to DA2 (I think) on the Bioware site.


I have come across a video on Youtube about a male Hawke and Anders rivalrymance.  They have modded Cullen's head onto Anders and it is so odd (although popular by the number of views).

Lol yeah I've seen that one too. Have you seen the Cullen/Anders fan videos? They're very well done, but it's quite strange to watch!

[R2s Muse]

Newschmoo wrote...

 

Danny Boy 7 wrote...


So with all that in mind I imagine the Chantry sort of adopted the Inquisition's imagery and split it up amongst their militant arm, one for day to day fighting and representation and the other for the under the table gigs. I have absolutely no idea where the sun imagery comes from though, could be a sign of the Maker maybe since it's drastically different from all the other Inquisition stuff.

The sun is the "symbol represents the fundamental goal of the Chantry itself: if all the lands under the sun raise their voices in the Chant, then and only then will the Maker's eye turn back to His children".  This was quoted in relation to a Sun pendant that was linked to DA2 (I think) on the Bioware site.
.

Ah, good catch, newschmoo!

[LolaLei]

R2: Can you remember what page I posted a list of all those Cullen related videos? I tried hunting it down on Google but it's coming up with nothing.