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LolaLei

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(Here's a repost of my theory surrounding whether or not Cullen might be a companion)


Ok, so here's how I got the feeling that there might be a chance that Cullen will indeed be a companion/LI in DA3 (sorry it's such a big post!) 

Firstly I noticed Tonia Laird making a few tweets about a character's script/story she'd been writing. At first I thought nothing of it:

ToniaLaird: "It's so much easier to get a voice down right when you base it off of someone you know/knew. Once again you come to my rescue grandpa." -10/08/12

ToniaLaird: "ARGH! Good thing I save a lot. Or this crash would have made me all stabby and such." - 12/08/12

ToniaLaird: "ARGH! StopcrashingStopcrashingStopcrashingStopcrashingStopcrashing!" - 12/08/12

ToniaLaird: "Argh. Half a conversation left to polish, but it feels like 1000 little knives are stabbing my eyes. Home time." - 13/08/12

Several days later Cori May (the editor) tweets about Tonia's script that she's editing for her:

CoriMay: "Now that the writer has told me she's basing this character on her grandfather, I feel bad making googly eyes at him while I edit #editrix" - 15/08/12

CoriMay: "Alone in the (not-so) dark, editing my dream character #editrix" - 16/08/12

CoriMay: "Sitting in the office alone, speaking lines out loud. In an English accent. Because that's how I roll. #editrix #crunch #practicingaccents" - 16/08/12

CoriMay: "Okay, I think I'm done talking to myself for the night #editrix #crunch" - 16/08/12

Meanwhile Tonia tweets about a VO session on the Friday:

ToniaLaird: "So looking foward to the VO session on Friday! #WritersPit" - 16/08/12

*Name removed*: "EEEEEE. I'm guessing you can't tell us who it is? LOLOL" - 16/08/12

ToniaLaird: "Haha, no, unfortunately, I can't. My first session, though! Kinda nervous!" - 16/08/12

*Name removed*: "Voice over?" - 16/08/12

ToniaLaird: "It's my first session with an actor. It's pretty exciting!" - 16/08/12

In the following tweet to a fan she points out that she's sat in on other peoples VO sessions before, but this is the first time she's sat in on a session for a character she's written:

*Name removed*: "You guys get to sit in on those? That must be so awesome!" - 16/08/12

ToniaLaird: "This is my first session, so I'm a bit nervous. I've sat in on others, it's pretty cool to hear the writing come to life!" - 16/08/12

On the day of the VO session she appears to miss it (unsure if she arrived late or was early and got to sit in on it):

ToniaLaird: "Found it! But the wrong time was put up on the board, so I sat-- alone-- and sad-- in the booth. Alone. And sad." - 17/08/12 (Friday)

Cori May also tweets about sitting in on the same VO session:

CoriMay: "Today I get to listen to more voice acting, for the character I'm most excited about. And you should be too." - 17/08/12 (Friday)

CoriMay: "So, so dreamy. Just sayin', is all." - 17/08/12 (Friday)

CoriMay: "I love how British voice actors get so very charming and sweet when they get muddled" - 17/08/12 (Friday)

Whilst Cori May is tweeting/squeeing about this voice actors VO session, Greg Eliis posts this:

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Less than an hour later, he deletes both the tweet and the picture.


Now, obviously Cori May doesn't go into detail about how long she had been editing Tonia's script, but from the way she was talking it did seem like it had been longer than just the time scale in which those tweets took place, which would indicate that it's at least a sizable NPC part, if not a full companion/LI position. Also, I'm not sure if Cori would have been quite so excited about the character if it was just a small part. Squeeing generally entails some sort of romantic-esq dialogue or "White Knight" behaviour to set a fan girl off with just script alone. That being said, it's highly possible that they had more than one voice actor in that day (although none of the other writers or devs tweeted about there being more than one session happening). At first I was unsure whether or not Cori's tweet stating "Today I get to listen to more voice acting, for the character I'm most excited about." was about the voice actor coming back into the the studio to continue recording dialogue, or if she meant that she'd sat in on a session before for a different character, but today she was sitting in on a session for the character she likes the most. BUT once I thought about it some more, she was still editing her "dream character" that was based on Tonia's grandpa long after she had sat in on the previous VO session, plus Greg Ellis had already confirmed to us that same week that he had a VO session booked with Bioware, but was unsure at the time whether or not it would be for Cullen (which he later clarified for us in the tweet he took down).

Sooooo yuh, that's how I came to the conclusion that there's a strong chance that Cullen will indeed be a companion/LI. I just hope I'm not wrong. *Fingers crossed*

UPDATE:

On 15/01/2013 during a short conversation with another Twitter user Cori May posted the following on Twitter:

Cori May: "I just got the best work assignment ever. My job rocks."

*Name removed*: "Is it working on Cullen? #DA3"

Cori May: "No, working on Cullen was a job I took for myself; no one gave it to me. Mine by right of conquest."

Cori May: "Woe betide any who try to take Cullen from me."

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:07 .


#32402
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Thank you, Lola! I needed to able to quickly reference.

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Cullen is ready for his close up:

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#32404
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rapscallioness wrote...

Thank you, Lola! I needed to able to quickly reference.


You're welcome. 

I also made one about Cullen's similarities to Spike from Buffy LOL. :lol:

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LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Thank you, Lola! I needed to able to quickly reference.


You're welcome. 

I also made one about Cullen's similarities to Spike from Buffy LOL. :lol:

LOL You should repost that one , too!

Maybe our next milestone page should be  Cullen thread Greatest hits?  LOL

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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Thank you, Lola! I needed to able to quickly reference.


You're welcome. 

I also made one about Cullen's similarities to Spike from Buffy LOL. :lol:

LOL You should repost that one , too!

Maybe our next milestone page should be  Cullen thread Greatest hits?  LOL


LOL we should do that for page 2000, I reckon we'll hit that long before the companions are revealed!

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LOL Good point.

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Oh my god. 1297 pages?!

Congratulations!

Waiting for DA III and Cullen!

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@R2s Muse - thanks for answering my questions re DA3 and Asunder.

I noticed your discussion about copyright earlier and what you can post/reproduce etc (going to be really boring now so I really apologise). From a civil point of view, reproducing images is a breach of copyright unless you had permission of the copyright owner or licensee.

But there are exceptions. One is called 'fair dealing' - which is using a copyright work for criticism or review (which you have been), provided there has been sufficient acknowledgement and that the work has been made available to the public (which it was on the Amazon site). Incidental inclusion is something completely different.

This is based on EU law though. Sorry, I will stop being boring now.

Looking forward to the Cullen Greatest Hits!

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Oh my god. 1297 pages?!

Congratulations!

Waiting for DA III and Cullen!


Thanks! It's a work in progress! :lol:

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Thnx, Newschmoo! That helps a great deal. I'm giddy abt. all this, but I don't wanna step on any toes in the process.

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Newschmoo wrote...

@R2s Muse - thanks for answering my questions re DA3 and Asunder.

I noticed your discussion about copyright earlier and what you can post/reproduce etc (going to be really boring now so I really apologise). From a civil point of view, reproducing images is a breach of copyright unless you had permission of the copyright owner or licensee.

But there are exceptions. One is called 'fair dealing' - which is using a copyright work for criticism or review (which you have been), provided there has been sufficient acknowledgement and that the work has been made available to the public (which it was on the Amazon site). Incidental inclusion is something completely different.

This is based on EU law though. Sorry, I will stop being boring now.

Not boring at all!!  Thank you for that. I think instead of incidental use, I was trying to think of the term fair use. But it's been a long time since I knew anything about that (and that was in a purely academic context).  I wonder if that's the basically the same.

Is "sufficient acknowledgement" basically that I cited where the pictures were from?

That makes me feel much better. Indeed, I was worried about reproducing images without permission of the copyright holder. (which, when you phrase it like that, sounds very clearly bad! LOL)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 janvier 2013 - 07:56 .


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LolaLei wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Oh my god. 1297 pages?!

Congratulations!

Waiting for DA III and Cullen!


Thanks! It's a work in progress! :lol:

LOL Should we do a pic spam for pg 1300?

#32414
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LOL! I need to update my theory again. I missed a Tweet:

Cori May: "Woe betide any who try to take Cullen from me."

Amen sista. Amen! :lol:

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LolaLei wrote...

LOL! I need to update my theory again. I missed a Tweet:

Cori May: "Woe betide any who try to take Cullen from me."

Amen sista. Amen! :lol:

LOL Yeah, thems fightin' words!

#32416
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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

LOL! I need to update my theory again. I missed a Tweet:

Cori May: "Woe betide any who try to take Cullen from me."

Amen sista. Amen! :lol:

LOL Yeah, thems fightin' words!


She's fast becoming my favourite LOL! 

#32417
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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Oh my god. 1297 pages?!

Congratulations!

Waiting for DA III and Cullen!


Thanks! It's a work in progress! :lol:

LOL Should we do a pic spam for pg 1300?


Definitely!

#32418
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rapscallioness wrote...

Cullen is ready for his close up:

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He sure is abnormally attractive for a bunch of pixels! :wub:

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Oh, I just noticed something on the picture above! If you look below his sash there's a black criss-cross piece of material. Is that from his skirt, or his shirt underneath?

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LolaLei wrote...

Oh, I just noticed something on the picture above! If you look below his sash there's a black criss-cross piece of material. Is that from his skirt, or his shirt underneath?

I think it's the top of his skirt. They all have it. But I dunno. His tunic always looks red to me.

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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Oh, I just noticed something on the picture above! If you look below his sash there's a black criss-cross piece of material. Is that from his skirt, or his shirt underneath?

I think it's the top of his skirt. They all have it. But I dunno. His tunic always looks red to me.

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Those Templar outfits look so complicated to put on, soooo much material and metal!

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Also would take ages to take off too (all those buckles), so a bit of a passion killer if you were in the mood!

Re my earlier post, sufficient acknowledgement is something like - © Bioware (or whoever owns the copyright) 2013 (or the year it was published). Citing where the images are from to me is the same.

I have now ordered the book myself based on these postings, I am really looking forward to it!

#32423
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... I have the urge to watch Cullen fan videos again. I think I may have a problem lol.

#32424
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Bleugh, Spring seems so far away. This sucks, I hate waiting.

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Something I've just noticed in Cullen's dialogue. In Act 2 he says:

"I'm afraid the Knight Commander has become more reclusive since you came to Kirkwall, Hawke." - How would he know what Meredith was like prior to coming to Kirkwall? He arrived a long time after Hawke did. Baring in mind he would've still been at the Ferelden Tower during our first year as a Smuggler/Mercenary and then Greenfell for a fair chunk of the second year (where we properly start playing).

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:24 .