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[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I like this idea, that people change and you'll end up loving many people, in many ways at different times. Then, true love really just about timing. Sounds unromantic saying it that way... but I think it's cool! LOL

Yeah that's the thing about Austen; she puts her characters in really realistic and often tragic circumstances, but luckily she does always give us that happy (or mostly happy) ending lol

I left a review of y'all's story; it was awesome and kind of made me want to smack Cullen lol

MMG, your review totally cracked me up! Thanks! Agree, he's got some 'splaining to do.

[Newschmoo]

LolaLei wrote...

LOL ok I'll tell you guys why.

Basically, he married his wife because he felt like there was something missing in his life, something that he presumed must be companionship. Since he'd emotionally closed himself off for years after his PTSD etc (and despite realising with age that his "thing" for Amell was just a crush) he had never met any other woman of such caliber who had grabbed his attention in the same (or bigger) way.

Over the years he came to the conclusion that the notion of romance and "true love" was just fanciful fiction and presumed that he was incapable of ever finding or being truly in love. Somewhere towards the end of DA2 he decides to marry the first woman to come along that he deems suitable marriage material (at the advice of Meredith), doing so because he felt pressured into settling down. His wife is pretty in an ordinary "unremarkable" way and is your sterotypical non-offensive wall-flower/home maker type of girl who heavily relies on Cullen to be the man of the house/bread winner. Although he is fond of her, he's never been in love with her; neither he or his wife really have anything in common and she has no real passions of interests to speak of beyond Orlesian fashions and the latest scandalous gossip. 

Cullen joins the protagonist in her crusade to do whatever it is we'll be doing in DA3, during which time he finds himself opening up and subsequently falling for our new protagonist because she's strong, brave, decisive, free spirited and a remarkable woman- not at all like his wife. His adventures with our protagonist 'n' co is the first time he's ever really been free from stiffling rules, duties and regulations, thus allowing him relax and be himself instead of the formal regimented "Templar Cullen" he's been for so long. That's when he realises the thing he'd been missing in his life wasn't so much companionship but the DA3 protagonist herself. (D'awwww!)

Oh that is sad, settling for second best.  I feel really sorry for him (and a bit for her - the wife).  I hope further down the line they do get together. Will this story continue?

Modifié par Newschmoo, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:09 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Newschmoo wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

LOL ok I'll tell you guys why.

Basically, he married his wife because he felt like there was something missing in his life, something that he presumed must be companionship. Since he'd emotionally closed himself off for years after his PTSD etc (and despite realising with age that his "thing" for Amell was just a crush) he had never met any other woman of such caliber who had grabbed his attention in the same (or bigger) way.

Over the years he came to the conclusion that the notion of romance and "true love" was just fanciful fiction and presumed that he was incapable of ever finding or being truly in love. Somewhere towards the end of DA2 he decides to marry the first woman to come along that he deems suitable marriage material (at the advice of Meredith), doing so because he felt pressured into settling down. His wife is pretty in an ordinary "unremarkable" way and is your sterotypical non-offensive wall-flower/home maker type of girl who heavily relies on Cullen to be the man of the house/bread winner. Although he is fond of her, he's never been in love with her; neither he or his wife really have anything in common and she has no real passions of interests to speak of beyond Orlesian fashions and the latest scandalous gossip. 

Cullen joins the protagonist in her crusade to do whatever it is we'll be doing in DA3, during which time he finds himself opening up and subsequently falling for our new protagonist because she's strong, brave, decisive, free spirited and a remarkable woman- not at all like his wife. His adventures with our protagonist 'n' co is the first time he's ever really been free from stiffling rules, duties and regulations, thus allowing him relax and be himself instead of the formal regimented "Templar Cullen" he's been for so long. That's when he realises the thing he'd been missing in his life wasn't so much companionship but the DA3 protagonist herself. (D'awwww!)

Oh that is sad, settling for second best.  I feel really sorry for him (and a bit for her).  I hope further down the line they do get together. Will this story continue?

It would be awesome for it to continue but then (imo) if it did it would sort of take away from the feeling you get from it, cause then it'll be like 'further down the road things will get better' instead of it leaving you to wonder.

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Thats cool! And sad! Oh Lola, why do you have to really hit me in the feels?? Poor Cullen.

The whole time in your story I just wanted to somehow jump in and assassinate his 'wife' and then proceeded to complain about how stupid he was for just not jumping on the protag. but then, it just made me love him more to know that if he has a commitment he will stick to it and honor it.

That's why I didn't make her into this horrible shrew of a woman.

I wanted to make sure there was absolutely no way he could leave her due to his own moral compass. He wasn't in love with her but he couldn't leave her because there was no legitimate reason to, he didn't want to hurt her knowing it would probably kill her since she's the fragile sort lol.

... Originally we were gonna make her pregnant so that he absolutely couldn't leave at all, but we decided it felt creepy and wrong that he would still be shagging his wife whilst lusting after the protagonist.

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:12 .

[R2s Muse]

Also, I don't see Cullen being ok with divorce. While it certainly happens in Thedas, I see it being something Kings and Queens do, but not run of the mill commoners. I particularly don't see someone as devout as Cullen doing it either. He made a commitment before the Maker, so that's that. That's why she can't have some evil loophole for him to get out of it. The marriage is just a black box of an insurmountable obstacle. So what does he do? Heh heh.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:17 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Also, I don't see Cullen being ok with divorce. While it certainly happens in Thedas, I see it being something Kings and Queens do, but not run of the mill commoners. I particularly don't see someone as devout as Cullen doing it either. He made a commitment before the Maker, so that's that. That's why she can't have some evil loophole to get out of it. The marriage is just a black box of an insurmountable obstacles. So what does he do? Heh heh.

Exactly and we all know he's a sucker for punishment.

A lesser man would leave her, an immoral one would strike up an affair. Cullen does neither because he made his vows before the Maker and he's not a douche LOL.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Also, I don't see Cullen being ok with divorce. While it certainly happens in Thedas, I see it being something Kings and Queens do, but not run of the mill commoners. I particularly don't see someone as devout as Cullen doing it either. He made a commitment before the Maker, so that's that. That's why she can't have some evil loophole to get out of it. The marriage is just a black box of an insurmountable obstacles. So what does he do? Heh heh.

Exactly and we all know he's a sucker for punishment.

A lesser man would leave her, an immoral one would strike up an affair. Cullen does neither because he made his vows before the Maker and he's not a douche LOL.

Exactly! LOL Or... unless divorce is actually really no big deal in Thedas, and everyone does it all the time. Then, these arguments make less sense.

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Oh, he's fond of her and everything, but it's not love on his part. He loves the protagonist but has to settle for friendship... if they ever see each other again.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Also, I don't see Cullen being ok with divorce. While it certainly happens in Thedas, I see it being something Kings and Queens do, but not run of the mill commoners. I particularly don't see someone as devout as Cullen doing it either. He made a commitment before the Maker, so that's that. That's why she can't have some evil loophole to get out of it. The marriage is just a black box of an insurmountable obstacles. So what does he do? Heh heh.

Exactly and we all know he's a sucker for punishment.

A lesser man would leave her, an immoral one would strike up an affair. Cullen does neither because he made his vows before the Maker and he's not a douche LOL.

Exactly! LOL Or... unless divorce is actually really no big deal in Thedas, and everyone does it all the time. Then, these arguments make less sense.

Then Cullen is just one of those men who fears being struck down by the Maker (blame his Templar upbringing LOL!)

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Oh, he's fond of her and everything, but it's not love on his part. He loves the protagonist but has to settle for friendship... if they ever see each other again.

Thats what I meant, Maric was fond of Rowan and such but he wasn't in love with her.

[R2s Muse]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Or, he would have, if  he ever actually saw her. Whereas Maric and Rowan had to, er, 'work' together as King and Queen, I picture this Cullen sort of distancing himself figuratively and literally. Like, he sends his paycheck home and visits rarely, using the Order's consumption of his time as an excuse.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:25 .

[R2s Muse]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Oh, he's fond of her and everything, but it's not love on his part. He loves the protagonist but has to settle for friendship... if they ever see each other again.

Thats what I meant, Maric was fond of Rowan and such but he wasn't in love with her.

Right. I agree. I even got the impression that he loved Rowan in the end (accoding to the Calling... still haven't finished ST!), even if he wasn't in love.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Or, he would have, if  he ever actually saw her. Whereas Maric and Rowan had to, er, 'work' together as King and Queen, I picture this Cullen sort of distancing himself figuratively and literally. Like, he sends his paycheck home and visits rarely, using the Order's consumption of his time as an excuse.

Yeah, that's the idea I had in my head too. Which is why it was easy for him to accidentally fall in love with the protagonist because although he's married, he's not with her enough to "feel" like he is.

Also, does Maric shag everyone? Or was Alistair's mother his "one true love" once he met her?

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Or, he would have, if  he ever actually saw her. Whereas Maric and Rowan had to, er, 'work' together as King and Queen, I picture this Cullen sort of distancing himself figuratively and literally. Like, he sends his paycheck home and visits rarely, using the Order's consumption of his time as an excuse.

Yeah, that's the idea I had in my head too. Which is why it was easy for him to accidentally fall in love with the protagonist because although he's married, he's not with her enough to "feel" like he is.

Also, does Maric shag everyone? Or was Alistair's mother his "one true love" once he met her?

edit: forgot who Alistair's mother was for a minute..

For that, I can't really say..I mean...ugh! Maric you annoy me!Lol.

Modifié par Shades_Of_Pale, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:33 .

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Or, he would have, if  he ever actually saw her. Whereas Maric and Rowan had to, er, 'work' together as King and Queen, I picture this Cullen sort of distancing himself figuratively and literally. Like, he sends his paycheck home and visits rarely, using the Order's consumption of his time as an excuse.

Yeah, that's the idea I had in my head too. Which is why it was easy for him to accidentally fall in love with the protagonist because although he's married, he's not with her enough to "feel" like he is.

Also, does Maric shag everyone? Or was Alistair's mother his "one true love" once he met her?

edit: forgot who Alistair's mother was for a minute..

Presuming that it's her. I don't think they've said for sure yet lol. I just hope Alistair doesn't take after his father and brother with the cheating 'n' stuff. 

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Or, he would have, if  he ever actually saw her. Whereas Maric and Rowan had to, er, 'work' together as King and Queen, I picture this Cullen sort of distancing himself figuratively and literally. Like, he sends his paycheck home and visits rarely, using the Order's consumption of his time as an excuse.

Yeah, that's the idea I had in my head too. Which is why it was easy for him to accidentally fall in love with the protagonist because although he's married, he's not with her enough to "feel" like he is.

Also, does Maric shag everyone? Or was Alistair's mother his "one true love" once he met her?

edit: forgot who Alistair's mother was for a minute..

Presuming that it's her. I don't think they've said for sure yet lol. I just hope Alistair doesn't take after his father and brother with the cheating 'n' stuff. 

Well, being bastard and all, I assume he wouldn't want to repeat that seeing how it kind of gave him a messed up life and situation.

[LolaLei]

True, I think he was kept away from them long enough to avoid those kind of traits.

[LolaLei]

That's something I noticed in DA:O last night, that I forgot to mention!

When Cailan sends the Warden and Alistair to light the beacon, you can say "if it's not difficult then I could go by myself" to which Cailan replies with something like "no! I need you to both go".

I'd never heard that before, but it made me wonder if he was trying to protect Alistair knowing the rumours that he was his brother.

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:43 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Who was it that said Cailan didn't know? Eamon? I think Cailan knew a little but instead of reacting like "They lied to me!" he was more cheered by it? Maybe because Maric left him/Rowan left'; the thought of perhaps having a brother or someone else in his family made him glad? And instead he sort of kept it to himself to protect his maybe-brother from the danger of if people suddenly just found out since they would probably go against Alistair claiming that he wanted the throne or something.

er..did any of this make sense? lol.

Modifié par Shades_Of_Pale, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:43 .

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Who was it that said Cailan didn't know? Eamon? I think Cailan knew a little but instead of reacting like "They lied to me!" he was more cheered by it? Maybe because Maric left him/Rowan left'; the thought of perhaps having a brother or someone else in his family made him glad? And instead he sort of kept it to himself to protect his maybe-brother from the danger of if people suddenly just found out since they would probably go against Alistair claiming that he wanted the throne or something.

er..did any of this make sense? lol.

A brother in the Grey Wardens, I bet he loved that! Cailan was naive and childish but he certainly wasn't a bad man.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Who was it that said Cailan didn't know? Eamon? I think Cailan knew a little but instead of reacting like "They lied to me!" he was more cheered by it? Maybe because Maric left him/Rowan left'; the thought of perhaps having a brother or someone else in his family made him glad? And instead he sort of kept it to himself to protect his maybe-brother from the danger of if people suddenly just found out since they would probably go against Alistair claiming that he wanted the throne or something.

er..did any of this make sense? lol.

A brother in the Grey Wardens, I bet he loved that! Cailan was naive and childish but he certainly wasn't a bad man.

I like to believe he was smarter than he let off.

[LolaLei]

Going back to Cullen a minute, I'm wondering if his story and romance arc could beat Alistair's (for me personally). I think I'd like it to be on par with Alistair's in terms of epicness and squee factor... but I don't think it would, which kinda sucks.

[Jinx]

Hey guys

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Its going to end up like Maric and Rowan, where he has to kind of 'learn' to love her, so to speak..

Or, he would have, if  he ever actually saw her. Whereas Maric and Rowan had to, er, 'work' together as King and Queen, I picture this Cullen sort of distancing himself figuratively and literally. Like, he sends his paycheck home and visits rarely, using the Order's consumption of his time as an excuse.

Yeah, that's the idea I had in my head too. Which is why it was easy for him to accidentally fall in love with the protagonist because although he's married, he's not with her enough to "feel" like he is.

Also, does Maric shag everyone? Or was Alistair's mother his "one true love" once he met her?

edit: forgot who Alistair's mother was for a minute..

Presuming that it's her. I don't think they've said for sure yet lol. I just hope Alistair doesn't take after his father and brother with the cheating 'n' stuff. 

Um spoilers??  Guess it's well past time for that! LOL

But... anyway...

Well, Maric wasn't cheating on his wife when he met Fiona, because Rowan was dead. And, no they haven't said if she's Alistair's mother or not. Now, if Maric was really working his way through the wait staff at Redcliffe, then that's another issue. LOL